It's hotter than a whore house on nickel night

[skaredshtles]

Meanwhile... in some other place - 44F and snow:

[AK47bp]

72* with a slight breeze right now, the closest weather station is 68*, it's still hot in the sun but bearable in the shade. I put a big umbrella from my rafting gear over the (now cool) hot tub so it's useable during the day again (who the fuck thought a black hot tub was a good idea?).

Hope you can survive, sounds like you may creep into the 80’s today.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

You can have your snoots about aging your firewood. But here. you're really out of your element, assholery aside.

Aging firewood? I’m not sure where you are going with that. I know you’re smart but it is snobbery. It’s like German beer laws, beer would be boring in the US if we had to abide by some archaic law. Maybe it’s you who is out of your element with your archaic dogmatism


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[Buster Highmen]

Aging firewood? I’m not sure where you are going with that. I know you’re smart but it is snobbery.

No, it's not snobbery. It's a matter of taste and style. They're easily confused.

If people could grow pinot noir that could make good wine in WA, why don't they? Or in Nevada? Or in Utah?

Why are hops grown in certain places and not others, coveted from Yakima and Hallertau, Elbe-Saale or Tettnang ?

Some crops grow well in some places and not at all in others, it's not that hard. It's not snobbery.

[neufox47]

Nope, some of my favorite reds are grown where the days can be damn hot. I had a wine guy at a tasting room tell me the hot days made the grapes load up on sugar to produce the jammy fruit forward wines I like. Drink a bottle of Tobin James Fat Boy and you will see what I mean. Jack Creek to the west grows some of the best Pinot & Syrah grapes/wine I have ever had. O and this ain't 2 buck chuck pricing.
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See qualifier of *Most*. Also, I wouldn’t call Paso Robles part of the Central Valley. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent...y_(California)

I’m a member at Tobin James, very familiar with their wine. Actually had their 2016 Silver Reserve Merlot last night (should have waited a couple more years) I like their lush fruit forward wines too, but Napa it is not. Never had Jack Creek but can’t believe it compares with the best of Santa Cruz, RRV, Willamette, etc. Just by looking on a map I’d personally prefer Pinot from nearby San Luis Obispo / Edna. But I loathe a jammy Pinot.

[neufox47]

Regions where pinot noir is grown are threatened by climate change.

Cotes des Nuits in the Cotes d'Or in Burgundy, France for example, where it's warm, but not 110 warm, is where Romanee Conti is grown and bottled and sold at $10000+ a bottle.
No fog there.
Littorai, Kistler, Peay and Hirsch are close to the coast and rely on a temperate clime.

Sauternes relies on botrytis fogs along the Garonne in Bordeaux.

It's not volume that matters, but type.


Don’t think the future looks bleak under current climate change scenarios? Maybe this will change your mind. Imagine grabbing a bottle of red Burgundy, and instead of Pinot Noir, it was made from Mourvedre and Grenache. You travel toward the coast—Bordeaux—hoping to find an intense red made from Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot. Nope. Just more Mourvedre. A new study released this week suggests this tale could become fact, not a mix of science fiction and horror, as increasing temperatures may force winemaking regions to swap grape varieties to combat vineyard losses....

For instance, in Burgundy, laws dictate that Pinot Noir is the primary grape, so a future of Mourvedre would require more than just planting new vines.


https://www.foodandwine.com/news/win...undy-mourvedre

Is it just the low latitude of CA that makes the Pinot producers want a foggy location? I’ve heard many wine producers talk about how the fog acts like a “sun screen” to protect the grapes and how fog was “necessary” for high quality Pinot.

[Hopeless Sinner]

Aging firewood? I’m not sure where you are going with that. I know you’re smart but it is snobbery. It’s like German beer laws, beer would be boring in the US if we had to abide by some archaic law. Maybe it’s you who is out of your element with your archaic dogmatism


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It's marketing, not snobbery. Using uniform raw ingredients(variety of grapes), and restricting the volume by limiting the area of production are methods used to maximize the value to the growers and give consumers a repeatable experience.


An example of failure to protect the area of production because of the lack of strict controls has happened in the Idaho potato industry. The original ID potato variety is the russet Burbank, and in the Idaho Potato Commission's infinite wisdom has allowed other lesser varieties to bear the ID seal. This has devalued and diluted the ID brand because these lesser varieties don't have the same cooking and eating quality as the original Burbanks. The customer wants a consistent product.

These other varieties of potatoes can also be purchased from any virtually any potato producing state or province that couldn't produce Burbanks because they don't have the same growing conditions and volcanic soils that ID does. The IPC has seen the error of their ways and now require the variety to be indicated on every bag or box packed in Idaho although they didn't get rid of these other varieties so they will never fully put the "cat back in the bag."

[TahoeJ]

Yes, you need fog for pinot, very generally speaking. For example, we grow way more pinot in Sonoma County than Napa because we're closer to the coast and the fog rolls in. Same deal for Santa Barbara / Santa Ynez (whereas down there, they can't produce Cabs for shit, but the pinots and syrahs are fantastic).

[TBS]

Only got to 100 yesterday in our slice of paradise and low of 57 overnight. Spent four hours this AM standing balls deep in 45* water, doing battle against creatures with a brain the size of a dried pea.
I lost, but not complaining.
Was 95 by 1100. Still took 20 minutes after I got out of the water to feel my toes again. Knees still cool 2 hours later

Supposed to be 108 by 4pm. We can probably keep the interior temp below 80. Forecast sez low of 57 which will be nice.

So with the morning spent with my feet in an icebox and this PM with my head in an oven, overall it should a comfortable day…

[dan_pdx]

So with the morning spent with my feet in an icebox and this PM with my head in an oven, overall it should a comfortable day…

Yeah, on average you enjoyed great weather today

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It's marketing, not snobbery. Using uniform raw ingredients(variety of grapes), and restricting the volume by limiting the area of production are methods used to maximize the value to the growers and give consumers a repeatable experience.


An example of failure to protect the area of production because of the lack of strict controls has happened in the Idaho potato industry. The original ID potato variety is the russet Burbank, and in the Idaho Potato Commission's infinite wisdom has allowed other lesser varieties to bear the ID seal. This has devalued and diluted the ID brand because these lesser varieties don't have the same cooking and eating quality as the original Burbanks. The customer wants a consistent product.

These other varieties of potatoes can also be purchased from any virtually any potato producing state or province that couldn't produce Burbanks because they don't have the same growing conditions and volcanic soils that ID does. The IPC has seen the error of their ways and now require the variety to be indicated on every bag or box packed in Idaho although they didn't get rid of these other varieties so they will never fully put the "cat back in the bag."

Oh, I understand, that marketing creates snobbery. You say potato I say….


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[Buster Highmen]

Fog occurs on the Sonoma coast, but it doesn't occur much in Oregon or Burgundy.

So I don't think that pinot noir in general depends on it. Maybe it does in Sonoma, and maybe that's specific to Sonoma or Santa Rita Hills but maybe there's a lot of other factors, like an onshore flow that cools things down of which the fog is part.

In any case, climate change will likely impact the ability to grow grapes in "traditional" locales, some of which have a 50 year history and others 800 years. Heat might change things, or rainfall, or fogs, lots of meteorological attributes will likely change that will make grape production different. There's a lot of literature on this topic for a variety of crops.

I'm not saying one will never grow wine worthy grapes in some location in the future, only that places where it has been successful in the past may no longer be.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

In any case, climate change will likely impact the ability to grow grapes in "traditional" locales, some of which have a 50 year history and others 800 years. Heat might change things, or rainfall, or fogs, lots of meteorological attributes will likely change that will make grape production different. There's a lot of literature on this topic for a variety of crops.

I'm not saying one will never grow wine worthy grapes in some location in the future, only that places where it has been successful in the past may no longer be.

This is what I was getting at, change is happening, there’s really no sense in getting worked up about. There will still be good wine produced, it just might not have the cache attached to it



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[MTT]

Just hit 99 here. I’m inside
Was thinking a power outage anywhere in the western us would be fatal

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Just hit 99 here. I’m inside
Was thinking a power outage anywhere in the western us would be fatal

I think that’s stretch. There’s lots of hot regions in the world with a lack of AC. Our AC went tits up about 15 years ago during a 100+ heatwave. It was uncomfortable but we were fine. Kept the kids inside or in the shade.


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[PNWbrit]

110 in Issaquah. up 5 degrees in the past hour.

[Buster Highmen]

This is what I was getting at, change is happening, there’s really no sense in getting worked up about. There will still be good wine produced, it just might not have the cache attached to it

Except you can grow any vine in the US wherever. It’s really just snobbery. It’s not exceptionalism in this case

Right.

[From_the_NEK]

<.... wine snobbery climate change anxieties... >

Take to a different thread. Unless the vineyards are spontaneously combusting, we don't want to hear about it!

[MTT]

Just hit 101 here. I’m inside
Was thinking a power outage anywhere in the western us would be fatal

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Right.

You can interpret however you want, you can grow what you want where you want. It might not turn out how you want. If it bothers you that I referred to wine snobbery, that says more about you than me.


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[Buster Highmen]

If it bothers you that I referred to wine snobbery, that says more about you than me.

Since you constantly jump on people for minor shit, I thought I'd do the same to you.
Enjoy!
Besides, you're just flat out wrong in addition to not taking responsibility.

[Boissal]

This is what I was getting at, change is happening, there’s really no sense in getting worked up about. There will still be good wine produced, it just might not have the cache attached to it

Considering people have been making wine in the Burgundy and Bordeaux region of France since the second century AD, I'm going to give them a break for getting worked up about the fact that their historical grapes can't grow there any longer.
It's cachet btw. Take a fucking a lap.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Since you constantly jump on people for minor shit, I thought I'd do the same to you.
Enjoy!
Besides, you're just flat out wrong in addition to not taking responsibility.

Oh, this is about something else then. Constantly you say, shirking responsibilities? I didn’t realize that I was accountable to anyone here.

Cheers!


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[TBS]

Would you two get a room?

[muted reborn]

Oh, this is about something else then.

yes, it's about you being a smug idiot. As always.