The Dynastar Thread

[TAFKALVS]

I'll type more up this weekend - but TLDR:

(Based on my impressions from the 191 BG)

I've owned/skied the proto and the mfree118. I like the mfree118 better, the flex is slightly softer.

BG more rocker. Proto less rocker.

Both pretty tapered up front but Proto is less RES than BG.

Tails are pretty different. BG both aggressive pin plus aggressive rocker. Mfree118 is moderate pin with moderate rocker.

TURN STYLE:
Both are good for a charger style of skiing but also loose and playful.

You can push the tip a lot harder on the Mfree118.

DEEP & OPEN:
BG better in really heavy manky and difficult coastal snow.
Mfree118 better in interior snow.
All things equal, they are neck and neck.

DEEP & TIGHT:
BG wins, shape and tail is looser. ++Double Good in deep and heavy.

SHALLOW/MIXED:
Mfree118 wins here. The tail is way more predictable.

GROOMED:
Mfree118 wins. You can actually lay trenches without learning some stance voodoo. (I can trench on BGs but it's more intuitive on the PROTO)

FIRM:
Mfree118 wins.

[GoldMember]

Changing skis, my last report on the M Pro 99 was that I think they're my groomer choice but not sold on them for chopped snow. I've changed my opinion. Skied them today through variable conditions and I'm liking them more by the run. They skied really well in the 10" deep chop. They weren't getting kicked around like my first impression. As I'm figuring them out, they're really growing on me.

[phatty]

I'll type more up this weekend - but TLDR:

(Based on my impressions from the 191 BG)

I've owned/skied the proto and the mfree118. I like the mfree118 better, the flex is slightly softer.

BG more rocker. Proto less rocker.

Both pretty tapered up front but Proto is less RES than BG.

Tails are pretty different. BG both aggressive pin plus aggressive rocker. Mfree118 is moderate pin with moderate rocker.

TURN STYLE:
Both are good for a charger style of skiing but also loose and playful.

You can push the tip a lot harder on the Mfree118.

DEEP & OPEN:
BG better in really heavy manky and difficult coastal snow.
Mfree118 better in interior snow.
All things equal, they are neck and neck.

DEEP & TIGHT:
BG wins, shape and tail is looser. ++Double Good in deep and heavy.

SHALLOW/MIXED:
Mfree118 wins here. The tail is way more predictable.

GROOMED:
Mfree118 wins. You can actually lay trenches without learning some stance voodoo. (I can trench on BGs but it's more intuitive on the PROTO)

FIRM:
Mfree118 wins.

Nice. Thanks for the comparison. Seems like there may be a place for both in the quiver for my non-PNW days.

Out on the MFree 108 again tonight at Alpy. While I didn't hit Mofro speeds, I was charging on them pretty good. Falling more in love by the day.

[ZomblibulaX]

Legend Pro history, for clarification's sake. Edit if necessary, but I think this covers it:

2004: Super Nobis, 194 only, 117/90/109. Predecessor to the LP.

2005: Legend Pro (1st gen), 194, 186, 117/90/109. Race room build, wood/rohacell core.

2006: Legend Pro 194 (2nd gen), 186, 124/97/116. Tip protectors, 7mm wider throughout.

2007: Legend Pro (2nd Gen) 194, 186, 176, 124/97/116. Org/blk/wood "star" topsheet. Built in regular production facility.
Legend Pro XXL 194 only. (Thanks, XavierD) Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Same wood/foam core. Bad mamma-jammas.

2008: Legend Pro (2nd Gen) 194, 186, 176, 124/97/116. Gothic letter/checkerboard topsheet. Unchanged.
Legend Pro XXL 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo.

2009: Legend Pro (3rd Gen) 190, 184, 175, 166, 128/100/118. Slightly damper, slightly softer, slightly more sluggish than OG's. Didn't have the same energy coming out of a turn, but still an exceptional do-it-all ski. Could complete a carved turn before hitting the parking lot which was nice. Still slayed crud, but the low-profile tip didn't plane up in pow.
Legend Pro XXL. 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Unchanged.

2010: Legend Pro (3rd Gen). 190, 184, 175, 166, 128/100/118. Unchanged.
Legend Pro XXL. 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Unchanged.
Legend Big Dump. 192, 142/120/132. Big and dumpy.

2011: Legend Pro 115 184, 175, 166, 137/115/127. Heavy and stable, tip rocker. Midget version of the Big Dump. Quick for its size but lacking the versatility of its forebears.
Legend Big Dump. 192, 142/120/132. Graphic update.
Legend Pro Rider 100 128/100/118. White/wood topsheet, Europe only release?
Legend Sultan 94 189, 184, 178, 172, 165. 132/94/118. LINO: Legend In Name Only. Really under-rated ski, but not near as stiff and unruly as it's predecessors.

2012: Legend Pro 105. 192, 184, 175. 132/105/122. Orange creamsicle topsheet/wood sidewalls, low early rise in tip. Fucking rad.
Aurelien Ducroz pro model. 192, 184. Same as LP 105, with freaky-deaky rainbow LSD topsheet.
Sultan 94. 189, 184, 178, 172, 165. 132/94/118. Graphic update.
Legend Big Dump. 192, 142/120/132. Graphic update.

2013: Cham. Tapered, cambered tails are pointless, IMHO, but the point here is they dropped the Legend name. LP 105 continued to get made, available to athletes, sometimes rebadged with Cham 107 topsheets for FWT.

2017: Dynastar Pro Rider: 192 only, same as LP 105, minus the wood sidewalls. Blk/org race topsheet.

2018: Legend X series. Light, turny, five-point sidecuts and not much shared with the lineage outside of a name. 96 and 106 are decent skis but they should have just killed the Legend moniker at this point.
Pro Rider/LP 105 available in Europe or via TGR special order.

2019: Same as above.

2020: Legend Pro Rider F-Team. 192, 132/105/122, same as LP 105. Blk "Leg/end" topsheet.

2021: M-Pro Pro RIder. 192, 132/105/122, same as LP 105. Blk/gold topsheet.

The Legend is dead, long live the Legend.

[jackattack]

Thanks for the refresher.

Do the m-pro 105 have wood sidewalls? I haven’t seen a pair in person and I’m tempted to get a pair to put in the rafters. I think this is finally the end.

[mr_pretzel]

Thanks zombli that was awesome!

Yeah when corbetts puts those m-pro’s on 40% sale im stocking up another pair

[GBB]

Like if a LP and a Buddha Gotama had sex if that makes sense.

This is the most resounding endorsement for a ski I could imagine.

Legend Pro history, for clarification's sake. Edit if necessary, but I think this covers it:

2006: Legend Pro 194, 186, 117/90/109. Tip protectors, otherwise unchanged.

I believe the 2006 was the first year of the 186 length and 97 underfoot. Sidecut was something like 124/97/116. The orange surfboard LPs and the OG buddha Gotamas are still two of my favorite skis.

[waxoff]

Legend Pro history, for clarification's sake. Edit if necessary, but I think this covers it:

2004: Super Nobis, 194 only, 117/90/109. Predecessor to the LP.

2005: Legend Pro (1st gen), 194, 186, 117/90/109. Race room build, wood/rohacell core.

2006: Legend Pro 194, 186, 117/90/109. Tip protectors, otherwise unchanged.

2007: Legend Pro (2nd Gen) 194, 186, 176, 124/97/116. Org/blk/wood "star" topsheet. Built in regular production facility.

2008: Legend Pro (2nd Gen) 194, 186, 176, 124/97/116. Gothic letter/checkerboard topsheet. Unchanged.
Legend Pro XXL (1st Gen) 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Same wood/foam core. Bad mamma-jammas.

2009: Legend Pro (3rd Gen) 190, 184, 175, 166, 128/100/118. Slightly damper, slightly softer, slightly more sluggish than OG's. Didn't have the same energy coming out of a turn, but still an exceptional do-it-all ski. Could complete a carved turn before hitting the parking lot which was nice. Still slayed crud, but the low-profile tip didn't plane up in pow.
Legend Pro XXL. 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Unchanged.

2010: Legend Pro (3rd Gen). 190, 184, 175, 166, 128/100/118. Unchanged.
Legend Pro XXL. 194, 187, 132/109/122. Same topsheet as LP w/ XXL in logo. Unchanged.
Legend Big Dump. 192, 142/120/132. Big and dumpy.

2011: Legend Pro 115 184, 175, 166, 137/115/127. Heavy and stable, tip rocker. Midget version of the Big Dump. Quick for its size but lacking the versatility of its forebears.
Legend Sultan 94 189, 184, 175, 166. 132/94/118. Really under-rated ski, but not near as stiff and unruly as it's predecessors.

2012: Legend Pro 105. 192, 184, 175. 132/105/122. Orange creamsicle topsheet/wood sidewalls, low early rise in tip. Fucking rad.
Aurelien Ducroz pro model. 192, 184. Same as LP 105, with freaky-deaky rainbow LSD topsheet.
Legend Sultan 94. 184, 175, 166. 132/94/118. Graphic update.
Legend Big Dump. 192, 142/120/132. Graphic update.

2013: Cham. Tapered, cambered tails are pointless, IMHO, but the point here is they dropped the Legend name. LP 105 continued to get made, available to athletes, sometimes rebadged with Cham 107 topsheets for FWT.

2017: Dynastar Pro Rider: 192 only, same as LP 105, minus the wood sidewalls. Blk/org race topsheet.

2018: Legend X series. Light, turny, five-point sidecuts and not much shared with the lineage outside of a name. 96 and 106 are decent skis but they should have just killed the Legend moniker at this point.
Pro Rider/LP 105 available in Europe or via TGR special order.

2019: Same as above.

2020: Legend Pro Rider F-Team. 192, 132/105/122, same as LP 105. Blk "Leg/end" topsheet.

2021: M-Pro Pro RIder. 192, 132/105/122, same as LP 105. Blk/gold topsheet.

The Legend is dead, long live the Legend.

Great summary, but the one that keeps being omitted is the one I mentioned earlier. This 2011 ski:




I don't know if it is identical to the 2009-2010 versions, just with different graphics and "100" added to the name. Or tip rocker added, anyone? Still, I regard this as the link between LP and LP105.

Also, [nitpicking, but] in 2011 the Sultan name was dropped from the Legend 94 and increased tip rocker from 2010. Great allrounder!

[ZomblibulaX]

Great summary, but the one that keeps being omitted is the one I mentioned earlier. This 2011 ski:




I don't know if it is identical to the 2009-2010 versions, just with different graphics and "100" added to the name. Or tip rocker added, anyone? Still, I regard this as the link between LP and LP105.

Also, [nitpicking, but] in 2011 the Sultan name was dropped from the Legend 94 and increased tip rocker from 2010. Great allrounder!

I’m starting to think this was a Yurp-only release that year; I remember specifically not seeing a sub-115 Legend at SIA, and bitching to my rep about it at on-snow at Taos that year. Only place I can find it now is on the Euro sites (ski pass, etc). Threw it in because it clearly was made.

Good call on the Sultan 94.

I believe the 2006 was the first year of the 186 length and 97 underfoot. Sidecut was something like 124/97/116.

Doh, typo. Thanks.

Lest we forget, Coreupt made a bunch of rebadged Dynastars for a few years too.

[Hicks]

Looking into an addition to the quiver for mainly front side family skiing trips where I can only bring one pair of skis but also venturing into the side or backcountry in between. Was looking into an M Pro 99s in a 186 length which seems to get a lot of love for that sort of jack of all trades purpose.

Upon research I came across it's touring brethren, the M Tour 99. same shape but significantly lighter construction. Now I am thinking all over again to eventually throw an AT binding on it for additional skinning. I'd assume the M Pros will be more stable at speed but has anyone here skied the M Tour and can compare? Generally prefer a damp ski. Me stoneold, 5'9", 165 lbs but still like to open it up

Thanks a bunch for some input here.

[CaliBrit]

I'll type more up this weekend - but TLDR:

(Based on my impressions from the 191 BG)

I've owned/skied the proto and the mfree118. I like the mfree118 better, the flex is slightly softer.

BG more rocker. Proto less rocker.

Both pretty tapered up front but Proto is less RES than BG.

Tails are pretty different. BG both aggressive pin plus aggressive rocker. Mfree118 is moderate pin with moderate rocker.

TURN STYLE:
Both are good for a charger style of skiing but also loose and playful.

You can push the tip a lot harder on the Mfree118.

DEEP & OPEN:
BG better in really heavy manky and difficult coastal snow.
Mfree118 better in interior snow.
All things equal, they are neck and neck.

DEEP & TIGHT:
BG wins, shape and tail is looser. ++Double Good in deep and heavy.

SHALLOW/MIXED:
Mfree118 wins here. The tail is way more predictable.

GROOMED:
Mfree118 wins. You can actually lay trenches without learning some stance voodoo. (I can trench on BGs but it's more intuitive on the PROTO)

FIRM:
Mfree118 wins.

This is really interesting to me as I’ve always been somewhat between lengths on the BG. The 189 118 might be just the ticket.

[waxoff]

I'm starting to think this was a Yurp-only release that year; I remember specifically not seeing a sub-115 Legend at SIA, and bitching to my rep about it at on-snow at Taos that year. Only place I can find it now is on the Euro sites (ski pass, etc). Threw it in because it clearly was made.

Yeah, if not a French-only release. I have no clue They're scarce, even on this side of the pond, but apparently they exist to some extent.

[Bandit Man]

Like the billygoats, I would suggest a multiday commitment on the mfree108, once your brain can wrap itself around how the ski works I suspect you'll see a bigger envelope of performance on hardsnow and mixed conditions than first brush might indicate.

Reporting on Day 2 on the MF108 in very soft conditions. 1-2” feel overnight at the base, with 2-4” up high. Found pockets of untouched boot deep lines in my secret stashes...

I’m starting to see why people are raving about these. In soft snow, they really come alive. On softer groomers, I could really get on the edges and rail these hard. They are most natural in a large to medium radius turn, but I could really push the ski and bend it into a smaller arch, which was pretty cool. On softer snow, the too easy to break loose feeling in the tails was greatly diminished and I could trust the ski more. I’m sure spending more time in the ski and learning how to drive it is part of that, too. I felt much more comfortable letting them run and charging through soft bumps and piles that you find from all the traffic from weekend skiing.

I was fortunate enough to find some boot deep lines and feel like an finally saw the true character of this ski...so loose and slashy...and they float great. The few fresh, deep runs I had were magical. Amazing that a ski with this much camber feels the way it does in deep snow.

I need more time in these, but they just might be the best 10X waisted ski for powder that I have tried...and I have tried a few.

I did spend some time on some 191 Enforcer 104 Frees today, and those get the edge on the MF108 for groomers, but the MF108 is king in the pow.




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[TAFKALVS]

This is really interesting to me as I’ve always been somewhat between lengths on the BG. The 189 118 might be just the ticket.

I would say the ski is like if a lhasa, a bentchetler and a legend pro had a baby this would be the result.

The front of the ski reminds me a lot of the lhasa fat, but the tail is a little more playful and has a little more sidecut.

In terms of billygoats it reminds me a bit of the Supergoat vs. the 191 billygoats I had in how you can approach the fall line and speed. The tail is much more supportive than a billygoat tail IMHO.

Reporting on Day 2 on the MF108 in very soft conditions. 1-2” feel overnight at the base, with 2-4” up high. Found pockets of untouched boot deep lines in my secret stashes...

I’m starting to see why people are raving about these. In soft snow, they really come alive. On softer groomers, I could really get on the edges and rail these hard. They are most natural in a large to medium radius turn, but I could really push the ski and bend it into a smaller arch, which was pretty cool. On softer snow, the too easy to break loose feeling in the tails was greatly diminished and I could trust the ski more. I’m sure spending more time in the ski and learning how to drive it is part of that, too. I felt much more comfortable letting them run and charging through soft bumps and piles that you find from all the traffic from weekend skiing.

I was fortunate enough to find some boot deep lines and feel like an finally saw the true character of this ski...so loose and slashy...and they float great. The few fresh, deep runs I had were magical. Amazing that a ski with this much camber feels the way it does in deep snow.

I need more time in these, but they just might be the best 10X waisted ski for powder that I have tried...and I have tried a few.

I did spend some time on some 191 Enforcer 104 Frees today, and those get the edge on the MF108 for groomers, but the MF108 is king in the pow.

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Curious to hear your impressions of the menace proto next.

For those following along, there are 3 versions of the ski:
Race room proto with a grey topsheet and full sidewall to the tip. Stiffer.

Menace proto (miami vice graphics) basically the product ski, and has a friendlier flex pattern and I think it skis better.

Mfree118. Same ski as the menace just different graphics.

Interestingly the 118 has less rocker (especially in the tail) than the mfree108 and a longer radius. It's more of a charger than playful where's the 108 is just a tad less business.

The 180cm version I have heard is more playful than the 189, but I've never skied it.

I like the 189 length at 5'10 and 185lbs. I could see a little more length if the rocker lines matched the 108 but the 189 118 skis bigger than the 192 108.

[kc_7777]

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Haha. Glad I haven’t sold them yet.

Today at Whistler was a Proto day....48cm in the last 12 hours.

And yes the 180cm Protos are much better at only +2cm.

[singlecross]

2011:
Legend Sultan 94 189, 184, 175, 166. 132/94/118. LINO: Legend In Name Only. Really under-rated ski, but not near as stiff and unruly as it's predecessors.

2012:
Sultan 94. 184, 175, 166. 132/94/118. Graphic update.

FWIW... I have had few pair of the Legend/Sultan 94 and I think the sizing was 189,184,178,172,165. I owned a 172 and a 178. The 172 was like a Slalom ski, the 178 I wished was longer. I'd love to find a cheap pair of 184.

[ZomblibulaX]

FWIW... I have had few pair of the Legend/Sultan 94 and I think the sizing was 189,184,178,172,165. I owned a 172 and a 178. The 172 was like a Slalom ski, the 178 I wished was longer. I'd love to find a cheap pair of 184.

Yeppers. I’d love to have a pair for family days, the 189 was hard to find when they were still in stores though.

[TAFKALVS]

12" new 72 hours ago, 4" new in past 12 hours, medium body snow over soft skier compacted and also very firm ice...

mfree108 killed it.

[singlecross]

Yeppers. I’d love to have a pair for family days, the 189 was hard to find when they were still in stores though.

Yes, I used my 94s as Dad skis when teaching my kids to ski years ago. The 172 was great for that.

[ender9099]

Decided to list a 118 Proto Factory for sale if anyone is interested. Cross posting here for visibility:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...t=#post6218435

[comish]

Actually, in 2011 there was also an LP100 with similar graphics as the LP115 but with an orange outline on the Dyna logo. A wee bit of tip rocker but less than that on LP105. 184 LP100 were 128-100-118 r27.

The 3rd Gen LP, 100mm underfoot version with a bit of tip rocker was a totally neutered ski than the 2nd Gen 97mm 186cm that was made before it. The race room 97mm was even beefier, actually too stiff for this midget. Sold the pair of the 3rd Gen I had after a few days and haven't been back to Dynastar until this year having picked up some Proto's and used LP105's. That 3rd Gen LP was much softer, way less ski. And I'm only 160ibs. I think it was 184cm ski which is my sweet spot, but I thought it stunk. Was sooo bummed after the 97mm. Can't comment on that Euro only version, but I had 3 different pair of the 2nd Gen in the 186cm.

[comish]

I can give my first day impressions of the Menace Proto, 189cm skied in a few feet of Mammoth pow from this weekend.

For background, I still ride the midget Atomic Atlas as my favorite pow ski. They are well used and tired, but I love those tips for the Sierra/wind effected pow we get. I'm 5'9" and 160 and ski rather old skool, drive zeeknees style and love to drive the tips in pow and have them not submarine.

We got just a weee bit of snow here last week. Around 10ish feet on the mountain +/-. It actually was shockingly light and bottomless on Wednesday and Thursday with not much open. Cue Friday and we were down to just showers with some realish terrain starting to slowly open. Took the Atomic's out on Friday. Then Saturday went blue. Some in bounds hiking scored 1st tracks in a few feet of ridiculous deepness. Skied the Wren 114 (Only 2nd day on them since last yr in bounds pow was non-existent here pre Covid). Love the shape/size in the pow. Still not sure I like the ON3P "feel" once back on the groomers or things getting chunked out. Also felt like with all the tip rocker and stiff flex, it's an interesting combo. I think a wee bit more flex in the shovel wouldn't be the worst thing for the feel of the ski? Absorb some bumps/wind effect better, while planing?

Sunday: Snow is a bit more setup with a lot more wind effect on the higher terrain. 1st day on the Proto 118 in the man size which has historically been too long for this kid. The combination between pivoty and drive the tips charging is fascinating. I could bang out a few pivots in the rocks, then rocket out into Climax hauling ass and they did both equally well. I'm mounted at -1 currently and that felt great in the deep thick pow we had. Once back on the groomer felt like I was a wee bit back in the sidecut, but the 2nd run as I really started to drive them they felt better. I may go back to the line, tbd...

In general, what a fascinating shape. Can charge and pivot. They are a wee bit long for this kid, really wish they were a 185 +/-, but in the feeet of pow we got pretty sure the 180 would be too short? not sure... Looking forward to getting more time on them. Even the end of the day crud skiing was still remarkably fun. This is where you do feel the tail a bit more and I gotta keep charging. Also 118 is pretty wide once things are tracked and cruddy, at least for this older dudes knees. Still, that pivoty chargy combo is really cool. Stable on the groomers. Lay them over and you can haul ass with the long radius. With all the wind effect the snow was definitely challenging deep pow and I had a blast while others were definitely complaining. Looking forward to getting them in some less wind effected pow.

I like them a lot more than the 184 Billy Goat's, but I'm in the minority on that one. I sunk the tips of those right, left, and center. Took them to AK and they were immediately relegated by the Atlas. I think it's a stance thing. If you ski centered I can see the BG. Super fun in low angle, thick snow, trees. I remember my first day riding ch1 in pow with them thinking wow, these are sooo fun in the trees. Can turn on a dime. As soon as I got them on steeper terrain and speeds picked up and I was charging, whether top of Mammoth or AK, I hated the BG. For my drive zee knees style the tips just sunk and them I'm trying to do this tip toe balance thing and stay centered. Not my style, don't feel like changing that either. I still don't think I like the ON3P feel. The Wren is one thick MF underfoot and I think rather than the Dynastar damp feel, they feel stiff and almost springy? Definitely struggling to put into words what I'm feeling.

I like the size of the Wren 114, but the shape and feel of the Proto/118. I think the flex is great too on the Proto.

[KillerMonkey]

Legend Pro history, for clarification's sake. Edit if necessary, but I think this covers it:

2012: Legend Pro 105. 192, 184, 175. 132/105/122. Orange creamsicle topsheet/wood sidewalls, low early rise in tip. Fucking rad.

This was the pinnacle right here.

[McDee]

Just got mine mounted

My old XXLs as a comparison

[Jaxson]

Just got mine mounted

My old XXLs as a comparison

Really enjoy the XXL still, and interested in a comparison to the LP 105 Pro.