The Dynastar Thread

[nyskirat]

Anyone know if the MFree 99s will get a limited early release in the US? The 186 seems like a ski for some crowded EC pow day resort skiing

[detrusor]

Is there going to be a LP105 next year?


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[ZomblibulaX]

Is there going to be a LP105 next year?


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M-Pro line is unchanged, so there’s one more year to hoard one of the best skis dynastar ever made.

[slashy]

I can give my first day impressions of the Menace Proto, 189cm skied in a few feet of Mammoth pow from this weekend.

For background, I still ride the midget Atomic Atlas as my favorite pow ski. They are well used and tired, but I love those tips for the Sierra/wind effected pow we get. I'm 5'9" and 160 and ski rather old skool, drive zeeknees style and love to drive the tips in pow and have them not submarine.

We got just a weee bit of snow here last week. Around 10ish feet on the mountain +/-. It actually was shockingly light and bottomless on Wednesday and Thursday with not much open. Cue Friday and we were down to just showers with some realish terrain starting to slowly open. Took the Atomic's out on Friday. Then Saturday went blue. Some in bounds hiking scored 1st tracks in a few feet of ridiculous deepness. Skied the Wren 114 (Only 2nd day on them since last yr in bounds pow was non-existent here pre Covid). Love the shape/size in the pow. Still not sure I like the ON3P "feel" once back on the groomers or things getting chunked out. Also felt like with all the tip rocker and stiff flex, it's an interesting combo. I think a wee bit more flex in the shovel wouldn't be the worst thing for the feel of the ski? Absorb some bumps/wind effect better, while planing?

Sunday: Snow is a bit more setup with a lot more wind effect on the higher terrain. 1st day on the Proto 118 in the man size which has historically been too long for this kid. The combination between pivoty and drive the tips charging is fascinating. I could bang out a few pivots in the rocks, then rocket out into Climax hauling ass and they did both equally well. I'm mounted at -1 currently and that felt great in the deep thick pow we had. Once back on the groomer felt like I was a wee bit back in the sidecut, but the 2nd run as I really started to drive them they felt better. I may go back to the line, tbd...

In general, what a fascinating shape. Can charge and pivot. They are a wee bit long for this kid, really wish they were a 185 +/-, but in the feeet of pow we got pretty sure the 180 would be too short? not sure... Looking forward to getting more time on them. Even the end of the day crud skiing was still remarkably fun. This is where you do feel the tail a bit more and I gotta keep charging. Also 118 is pretty wide once things are tracked and cruddy, at least for this older dudes knees. Still, that pivoty chargy combo is really cool. Stable on the groomers. Lay them over and you can haul ass with the long radius. With all the wind effect the snow was definitely challenging deep pow and I had a blast while others were definitely complaining. Looking forward to getting them in some less wind effected pow.

I like them a lot more than the 184 Billy Goat's, but I'm in the minority on that one. I sunk the tips of those right, left, and center. Took them to AK and they were immediately relegated by the Atlas. I think it's a stance thing. If you ski centered I can see the BG. Super fun in low angle, thick snow, trees. I remember my first day riding ch1 in pow with them thinking wow, these are sooo fun in the trees. Can turn on a dime. As soon as I got them on steeper terrain and speeds picked up and I was charging, whether top of Mammoth or AK, I hated the BG. For my drive zee knees style the tips just sunk and them I'm trying to do this tip toe balance thing and stay centered. Not my style, don't feel like changing that either. I still don't think I like the ON3P feel. The Wren is one thick MF underfoot and I think rather than the Dynastar damp feel, they feel stiff and almost springy? Definitely struggling to put into words what I'm feeling.

I like the size of the Wren 114, but the shape and feel of the Proto/118. I think the flex is great too on the Proto.

I wonder about the how the Declivity X in the 185 version would fit in this equation ? goldilocks length (for me) , same ballpark radius, weight, rocker profile , as well as a tapered tip. seems there is not a lot of feedback on this one

[comish]

I wonder about the how the Declivity X in the 185 version would fit in this equation ? goldilocks length (for me) , same ballpark radius, weight, rocker profile , as well as a tapered tip. seems there is not a lot of feedback on this one

Looks very interesting. Don't know about the "lightweight coruba" core, but like the dims and shape. Anyone tried them?

[slashy]

i heard the 192 is quite a charger, so wondering how much more accommodating the girl size is for lighter skiers.
the X has no metal, hybrid caruba core (so mix of caruba and hardwood) and 2.2mm edges. so not built like their ultralight or tracer series.
sorry for derailing the thread

[roQer]

After selling my Blizzard Spur (the asym black one) I‘m in the market for a dedicated powder ski for deep resort days. I‘m considering Mfree 118 189 versus Völkl Revolt 121 191. I believe both are quite stable on hardpack so floatability and surfiness in pow and blasting through chop are the keys here.
Has anybody been on both and can compare?

[nickwm21]

Is this 192 MF108 what I’m looking for? Current DD is a 192 LP105. I’m looking for something that is a little more casual for skiing with the wife or intermediate level friends. But that still has a backbone and I can step on the gas when I want to...

Inbounds Quiver:
187 Bonafide - low tide
192 LP105 - DD
192 GPO - Leftovers
196 Protest - Pow

My other options would be a Rustler10, Enforcer104 or what?

I’ve always had somewhat “chargy” skis; Cochise 193s, Superbros, 191 Lhasa’s, etc...

My jam is fall line GS turns thru crud. Think Ch6 at Crystal, Ch23 at Mammoth, Headwall at Squaw...

So something I can putt around groomers with the wife then go hit a lap up top when she goes in for Coffee and not be missing my LP105s...


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[Lord Thomas]

There are some pretty good options in that category right now. Haven't skied them but the Stance 102 might fit. Have skied the Fischer 102 or 99ti, and current Cochise 106, depending on your taste any of them might fill that slot as they are not that demanding. Might throw the Woodsman 108 in there as well. MF 108 is also a really sweet ski. Personally, I would get a Mantra 102 or Katana 108. Both toggle pretty easily between stun and kill kinda like the OG Cochise did and could probably replace the LP105 as a DD. Much good choices.

[nickwm21]

There are some pretty good options in that category right now. Haven't skied them but the Stance 102 might fit. Have skied the Fischer 102 or 99ti, and current Cochise 106, depending on your taste any of them might fill that slot as they are not that demanding. Might throw the Woodsman 108 in there as well. MF 108 is also a really sweet ski. Personally, I would get a Mantra 102 or Katana 108. Both toggle pretty easily between stun and kill kinda like the OG Cochise did and could probably replace the LP105 as a DD. Much good choices.

Thanks. That’s the debate. Get a Cochise or Katana to replace the LP105 or get something less aggressive to complement the LP105....


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[jackattack]

The mfree 108 compliments the lp105 quite well. There’s something distinctive about the feel of a Dynastar and both skis have it.

There’s a lot of discussion about this ski since November in this thread.

[phatty]

I switched from a 190 QLab to the 192 MFree for my DD. I have a 192 LP105 that I still need to mount up for when I want to "charge". I basically have the same quiver as you but swap a BG for your Protest. Your list of options are exactly what I was looking at as well. The DD chargy ski category is killing it right now and we are spoiled with good options. Bandit Man has owned and skied most and has reviews of them in this thread, Nordica thread, and Katana thread.

For me, I love how the MFree brings in some playfulness and energy. I have not found a situation where it didn't handle it well. I'm spending most of my time skiing with my family, and they are perfect. When I have my teenagers, they charge a bit more, so I can step on the gas and the MFree has been able to handle it. Alpental doesn't have big, wide runs to open it up, but I've hit 50+mph and the ski stayed composed. They have a lot of energy out of turns due to the camber. Basically I am really happy with my choice. I still want get on a Katana or Enforcer 104 to give them a try.

[TAFKALVS]

Out of the 30 or so days this season I've barely reached for the prorider and haven't felt like I've ever been limited.

[TAFKALVS]

I thought the mfree108 was going to be the 'B' ski but it is the 'A' ski and the pro rider is now the 'b' or even 'c' ski.

[optics]

Ok so I'm 4 days in on the M108 and it has taken over 'favorite-ski-ever' position for me.

Has me considering picking up the protos for bigger days. They are so cheap...it's low-risk but I am also on one-in-one-out mode this year so I would need to unload a powder ski to bring these in.

For people on the bigger protos, how often are you wishing for something easier to toss around in tight trees, etc?

I've seen a few comparos to BG's. I have owned the 189s and liked them but my problem is that when terrain gets tighter, I instinctively get more forward than the 'ball of foot' sweet spot for those (because I am old and stuff), and that hasn't worked well for me on the BG's.

If the overall feel and tolerance for a more forward stance of the 108 carries to the protos but with more float, I think they'll work well. But I do want to make sure I'm not giving up much in tight terrain, because we have a lot of that.

[kid-kapow]

Is this 192 MF108 what I’m looking for?

Simply put, yes.

The M-Free 108 is a terrific ski if you want to take it easy, yet also more than quite capable at raging. So do not overthink this - complimenting lp105s is where it is at. As mentioned above, you might end up reaching for them more often than you think.

Ok so I'm 4 days in on the M108 and it has taken over 'favorite-ski-ever' position for me.

Has me considering picking up the protos for bigger days.

There is no think - just do. (worse attempted zen saying ever)

But for real - just do it. From everything I've read they seem to be like somebody wanted to merge the looseness of BGs with a ski you can drive through the tips and still rail groomers on for being a wide ski. I am between sizes, or I would have bought a pair a long time ago.

As you say, finding them cheaply is not hard - so invest in yourself and your free time, just get them already.

[pnwmatt]

I’m looking at the Menace Protos as well, looks like such a steal. Got my hands on the M 108s in a shop and was surprised by how deep the rocker lines go when the skis are decambered. Can anyone share a pic of the Protos decambered?

[Bandit Man]

Finally got to ski the M-Free 108 in deep snow. It was nice and soft up top and the densest, heaviest PNW mank I may have every skied on the lower mountain. The M-Free 108 was so capable and so loose in the nice freshies. They did more than hold their own in the really heavy dense stuff, but that camber and energy needs to be controlled. They felt very "reactive" in the dense stuff.

Oh, and TAFKALWS - They may be the best Wild Katz pow ski I have every tried. My 186 2014 BG's are tops when the snow is pristine in the trees, but the M-Free 108 was amazing for how the snow was today...soft on the top half and dense and heavier as one descended. They made the conditions today really fun.

[comish]

Ok so I'm 4 days in on the M108 and it has taken over 'favorite-ski-ever' position for me.

Has me considering picking up the protos for bigger days. They are so cheap...it's low-risk but I am also on one-in-one-out mode this year so I would need to unload a powder ski to bring these in.

For people on the bigger protos, how often are you wishing for something easier to toss around in tight trees, etc?

I've seen a few comparos to BG's. I have owned the 189s and liked them but my problem is that when terrain gets tighter, I instinctively get more forward than the 'ball of foot' sweet spot for those (because I am old and stuff), and that hasn't worked well for me on the BG's.

If the overall feel and tolerance for a more forward stance of the 108 carries to the protos but with more float, I think they'll work well. But I do want to make sure I'm not giving up much in tight terrain, because we have a lot of that.

I sold my 184cm BG's for exactly the reason you describe. I only have 1 day on the 189 Proto's, but the definitely feel like you can drive the tips and not sink them. They are also shockingly quick in the trees/rocks. For me, the only thing I'm debating on the Proto's is length as I'm only 5'9" 160 so prefer a 184ish length. It's a big ski for this kid, but I definitely feel like you can drive them more than the BG. Part of it is design and part is mount point. I think the whole key to the BG is to ski it centered. Then it's fast and super fun. I even didn't mind them on the groomers... Just couldn't deal with the tips diving when driven. Didn't have that issue with the Proto's.

[Hopeless Sinner]

M Pro 99 vs M Free 99, any thoughts on why choose one over the other?

[zlatham]

Mpro 99 is an absolute weapon at speed in most zones on baldy. On the other side of the spectrum, it can ski soft bumps w the kids, its an amazing ski. I also have the MF108 which is also so much fun to ski, probably more playful and less directional than the mpro. I haven’t skied the MF99, so I cant comment on it. I would think it depends on what your intentions/expectations are and or what your skiing style dictates. Based on my experience w these two skis (pro99 & free108), you can’t go wrong with this run of dynastar skis. Hopefully this helps RB-


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[SkiLyft]

M Pro 99 vs M Free 99, any thoughts on why choose one over the other?

Well; since the MFree99 doesn’t exist... the MPro99?!


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[nyskirat]

Well; since the MFree99 doesn’t exist... the MPro99?!


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Apparently its a 2021-2022 model.

[SkiLyft]

Exactly, can’t choose to ski a ski that isn’t available. Lol.


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[Hopeless Sinner]

Mpro 99 is an absolute weapon at speed in most zones on baldy. On the other side of the spectrum, it can ski soft bumps w the kids, its an amazing ski. I also have the MF108 which is also so much fun to ski, probably more playful and less directional than the mpro. I haven’t skied the MF99, so I cant comment on it. I would think it depends on what your intentions/expectations are and or what your skiing style dictates. Based on my experience w these two skis (pro99 & free108), you can’t go wrong with this run of dynastar skis. Hopefully this helps RB-


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Thanks yeah first hand reports on the MF 99 aren't available so yours is a good comparison. Have the MF 108 192 and it's fun. Would like to add a ski for smaller days that can handle the harbor chop but still have the fun feel of the 108 in a shorter, narrower version that's easy to turn and has a bit of float. I have another ski to used if it's strickly hard and frozen groomers.