ON3P SKIS Discussion

[123ski]

I have some brand new 2021 WD108 and am having the same issue. Mounted on the line. They are fine in soft but also feel unpredictable on hard-pack (they don't want to mindlessly ride straight). They feel nowhere near as intuitive as my BG on hard-pack.

Glad to see I'm not alone. Hope a tune can fix.

This is how mine felt. 10+ days skiing, gummy on tail rocker, and fixing my existing boot issues solved it for me


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[skuff]

That’s funny,

Woodsman 108 replaced my Bibbys and they are better in every way, including flotation.

I’d even say Jeffrey 108 is better than bibby

Also means i can compare goat and Bibby, but would like more days before I do a full write up


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Can you explain why you feel the WD 108 can have better float than the Bibby? And maybe the Jeffrey 108 also?

[123ski]

Can you explain why you feel the WD 108 can have better float than the Bibby? And maybe the Jeffrey 108 also?

Jeffrey has more flotation that both

But I think the 80 mm of tip splay in the Jeffrey/Woods makes it feel floater.

I’ve literally skied the same run on back to back skis and the 116 Bibby just never floated as well for me in the tip, especially when snow is deeper than 10”


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[skuff]

Jeffrey has more flotation that both

But I think the 80 mm of tip splay in the Jeffrey/Woods makes it feel floater.

I’ve literally skied the same run on back to back skis and the 116 Bibby just never floated as well for me in the tip, especially when snow is deeper than 10”


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Gotcha. Just bought Jeffreys 108 and already have Bibbys, so I'm now more curious than ever to get them both in deep snow

[Tahoepa]

For my WD116’s I gummy stoned the tips and tails. Factory tune and pattern is great. Totally different ski day 2 after the detune. My son is on WD108 and ripping this year, he loves em. First grown up ski for the 15yo.

Skied my Supergoats today I picked up last spring. Not the best ski for the low tide but the potential is there in spades. Can’t wait for a POW day at squaw to turn em loose.

Skiing the WD116’s tomm. The 192 is a gentle giant. Confidence inspiring with no man handling. Tempted to buy some 108’s but the quiver is bloated up at the moment......ON3P problems.....haha


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[SkiLyft]

Skied my Supergoats today I picked up last spring. Not the best ski for the low tide but the potential is there in spades. Can’t wait for a POW day at squaw to turn em loose.

I hear they rock in bumps


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[Cars Suck]

I use a WD96 as a low tide/DD in Tahoe (Praxis concept for anything fresh). Absolutely love it, I imagine the 102 will ski fairly similar and would be a personal preference thing on the width. Have had no complaints under any conditions the past month or so here. Any particular things you want thoughts on? I have trouble describing a ski generally but can often comment on specifics.

Cool thanks and good to know you’re skiing it with our current conditions. The type of snow we’ve got now is the gap in the quiver I’m looking to fill.

Can’t decide if I want something more directional or playful and think WD102 could be nice middle ground and a bit more smooth and stable at 40+ mph than my Fischer Ranger 102 which can get scary squirrel-y at high speed

How does it hold on frozen / icy to soft groomers? Thinking bombing Red Dog or Siberia at Squaw on no snow days to popping in and off chop and crud on head wall post storm

Demo’d a Stockli Stormrider 95 and that felt like going back in time. Just way too trad for my tastes these days

[uglymoney]

Same question - what did you find? Have a pair of Woods 96s from last season that felt super hooky and couldn't release the tail, there was some concern by Scott that there were issues with the base bevel due to some machine issues at their factory. Finally got some edge tools and hoping to see if I can do anything to them this weekend. To Scott's credit, he offered to have them mailed back for free to the ON3P factory but seems like a waste. I've never had a pair of ON3P skis feel "hooky" so I bet it's something with the tune.

I had all these issues with some Wrens a couple three years ago with the same over generous offer from Scott. Imo don't waste time with the hand tools. I have a pretty decent quiver of tools for my daughter's race skis and nothing worked.. Take them to a shop and get them a fresh base grind, reset the bevels. That is what worked for me.



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[adrenalated]

Thanks for that. Are you still using your ProTests for sled skiing?

My sense is that the 179s will be my jam. The good news is that they're out of 179s, so (considering the state of this season for me), I can start putting pennies aside for a Spring purchase. There's a pair of Raider 12s on the way that will be waiting for them.

Length-wise, 179 should be very close to my 182 GPOs which I like for touring and tight trees. If you said they were noodles, then 184 might make more sense.

Looking at the build in the custom section (I assume this is the same tour build as for the stock BG tours?), I was impressed with how much base and edge remain on the skis:

• 1.4mm base, 2.0 x 2.0 edges on the touring layup
• 1.8mm base, 2.5 x 2.5 edges on the std.

So, in keeping with the ON3P ethos, their touring skis are still burlier than many companies' inbounds skis ... and ... at 1800g. Brilliant!

... Thom

To my knowledge, the stock Tour construction is as listed on the custom page. 1.4mm base, 2.0mm edges. It feels plenty substantial, like any ON3P ski.

Yeah I still have my Protests, and will probably ski the BGT and Protest fairly 50/50 midwinter. I think the Protest is still going to be a little better in deep, low angle pow, and noodling thru tight trees. BGT whenever I'm able to ski a bit steeper pitches or more open terrain. The Protests are about 1-1.5lb heavier than the BGT, not insignificant but not massive. I might put my Zeds on the Protests and Ion LTs on the BGT and even the weight out a bit that way.

[galibier_numero_un]

To my knowledge, the stock Tour construction is as listed on the custom page. 1.4mm base, 2.0mm edges. It feels plenty substantial, like any ON3P ski.

Yeah I still have my Protests, and will probably ski the BGT and Protest fairly 50/50 midwinter. I think the Protest is still going to be a little better in deep, low angle pow, and noodling thru tight trees. BGT whenever I'm able to ski a bit steeper pitches or more open terrain. The Protests are about 1-1.5lb heavier than the BGT, not insignificant but not massive. I might put my Zeds on the Protests and Ion LTs on the BGT and even the weight out a bit that way.

Yeah, kudos to Scott for keeping a base & edge that's burlier than most production skis ... all, at an 1800g weight! After whining so much about this, we owe it to him to put our money where our mouth is.

I have a pair of ATK Raider 12s arriving from Telemark Pyrenees on Thursday (330g + 1800 = 2130g). Old, fat and lazy ... light is good ;-)

Now, as soon as the 179s come available (Spring?) ... I'm in. Scott ... if you're reading and I'm missing something about 179 availability, set me straight and I'll be sending you some do-rei-me toute de suite!

My only experience with asym. was mixed, but I understand that the BGs are a more predictable geometry than the Qs which I ultimately didn't bond with (but only in hard and/or variable snow). My worst experience with the Qs was in two days of whiteout conditions with dust over crust. If I broke through to the crust and wasn't perfectly centered, I felt as if a Tabke moment was about to ensue.

Of course, in a whiteout, your balance is crap (at least mine is), so it's when you're most likely to be a bit off-center. As soon as I switched to my Down CD 114s, I had a smile on my face (both days). The Qs were on the market as soon as I returned from that trip.

One thing I found to be very cool with asym. (and why I'm optimistic), relates to those situations when you're in deep stuff, but not up to speed yet (getting moving tight trees, etc.). I found you could initiate by adding a bit of edging into the equation - a bit of cheating when you're going too slowly.

... Thom

[PeachesNCream]

Wow. Spent 3 days on the Jeffery 108 and I get it. Blasted through crust, railed turns on groomers, and made me want to jib every bump in site. Totally an on3p fanboi now. Wow. Now just need figure out if whether to go with the J108s bigger brother or the BG...

Where are people liking the mounting point on the J108? I seem to like +1 more than the line, will try +2 in the next couple days

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[shroom]

I had all these issues with some Wrens a couple three years ago with the same over generous offer from Scott. Imo don't waste time with the hand tools.

+1, loved the wren after a tune

will be breaking in some WD96 shortly and report back on the same

[Sessiøn]

Wow. Spent 3 days on the Jeffery 108 and I get it. Blasted through crust, railed turns on groomers, and made me want to jib every bump in site. Totally an on3p fanboi now. Wow. Now just need figure out if whether to go with the J108s bigger brother or the BG...

Where are people liking the mounting point on the J108? I seem to like +1 more than the line, will try +2 in the next couple days

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Having owned 108's and 116's at the same time in the past. They felt a bit redundant. So my go to is 108's and Billygoats.

[mtskibum16]

I want to officially state that I take back everything I said about the woodsman 108.

I picked them up in February last year and found them to be less intuitive than the Jeffrey 108 and found the tail very hard to release.

Well today I finally sorted out all of my boot issues and can officially say that this ski absolutely rips.

Carves trenches in groomers for a 108 ski. Can be thrown into the back of hard piles of snow as fast as you want. Tail releases just fine in any type of snow as long as your boots are working.

Love this ski!

I only have one day on my WD108 but so far I’m very pleased. They were lightly used by a former ON3P athlete so I can only assume he had the tune dialed. I did make sure they were flat after comments on this thread and that looked good as well as the detune.

Yesterday started as low tide crust but quickly got mostly buried by 4” of dense (for the Rockies) snow. So variable, some dust on crust, some fresh tracks, and a bit of funky wind affected. Overall I was really happy. I thought they were quite intuitive and the only time they felt strange at all was my first run down some crusty non-groomed groomers. The day never really set up to ski them on edge a lot but they did admirably in the soft stuff and only had me wishing I had my goats a couple times which says a lot. Contrary to many others in here I didn’t find them hooky or to have tail release issues at all other than the long tails getting caught up in some funky dense wind blown stuff a couple times.

I did manage to get a minor core shot up to the edge (no edge damage). Haven’t had to deal with a core shot in a long time skiing in the PNW. What’s the recommended DIY fix for this or should I just take it in? It’s a bit over an inch long and 1/4 inch wide.

I picked up a pair of 189 BGs late last season just before COVID shut everything down. They’re taking the spot in the lineup previously occupied by OG 190 Bibbys. I think the Bibby is a great lift served pow ski and I had lots of really great days on mine. I’ve had the Goats in a variety of different depths and consistencies, and am comfortable saying that the Goats are the better ski for how/where I ski. They’re not as good on groomers and they might be worse in firm bumps (who cares), but in anything remotely soft and 3D they float better, are looser and are much less likely to hook in wind or temperature stiffened snow. The poppy but quiet/damp construction and shape also blast chopped pow better, which is impressive, as I personally think this is the Bibbys best skill. Really stoked to have these in the fleet!

I went from a 184 Bibby (which I was quite fond of) to a 184 BG and I feel exactly the same. The BG is superior in every way on a pow day other than carving groomers.

I’d actually say the WD108 is a closer comparison to the Bibby than the BG.

[123ski]

I only have one day on my WD108 but so far I’m very pleased. They were lightly used by a former ON3P athlete so I can only assume he had the tune dialed. I did make sure they were flat after comments on this thread and that looked good as well as the detune.

Yesterday started as low tide crust but quickly got mostly buried by 4” of dense (for the Rockies) snow. So variable, some dust on crust, some fresh tracks, and a bit of funky wind affected. Overall I was really happy. I thought they were quite intuitive and the only time they felt strange at all was my first run down some crusty non-groomed groomers. The day never really set up to ski them on edge a lot but they did admirably in the soft stuff and only had me wishing I had my goats a couple times which says a lot. Contrary to many others in here I didn’t find them hooky or to have tail release issues at all other than the long tails getting caught up in some funky dense wind blown stuff a couple times.

I did manage to get a minor core shot up to the edge (no edge damage). Haven’t had to deal with a core shot in a long time skiing in the PNW. What’s the recommended DIY fix for this or should I just take it in? It’s a bit over an inch long and 1/4 inch wide.





I went from a 184 Bibby (which I was quite fond of) to a 184 BG and I feel exactly he same. The BG is superior in every way on a pow day other than carving groomers.

I’d actually say the WD108 is a closer comparison to the Bibby than the BG.

I took my 189 BG Today and my WD108 yesterday snd can confirm they are both better than the Bibby in every single way


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[adrenalated]

I did manage to get a minor core shot up to the edge (no edge damage). Haven’t had to deal with a core shot in a long time skiing in the PNW. What’s the recommended DIY fix for this or should I just take it in? It’s a bit over an inch long and 1/4 inch wide.

That's larger than I would try to fix with drip candles. If you have a ptex gun, I'd trim away anything loose with an exacto knife then ptex gun it. If you don't have a gun, I'd bring it to a shop (or if the patch from the gun failed) for a real base weld.

[iggyskier]

That's larger than I would try to fix with drip candles. If you have a ptex gun, I'd trim away anything loose with an exacto knife then ptex gun it. If you don't have a gun, I'd bring it to a shop (or if the patch from the gun failed) for a real base weld.

I'd patch. Let us know if you need base sent out.

[Conundrum]

189 BGTs just showed up. On my harbor freight scale, 1818g on one, 1821g on the other. QC is getting pretty tight over there.

[tuco]

That's larger than I would try to fix with drip candles. If you have a ptex gun, I'd trim away anything loose with an exacto knife then ptex gun it. If you don't have a gun, I'd bring it to a shop (or if the patch from the gun failed) for a real base weld.

Against the edge you're gonna need metal grip or....

I'd patch. Let us know if you need base sent out.

do as this dude says and you basically just have a die cut base. Way more bombproof too

[mtskibum16]

I'd patch. Let us know if you need base sent out.

By patch you mean trim out and replace a portion of the base material? Epoxied in? I do have some slow set epoxy I just got for a spinner repair. If so I’d be willing to tackle that. Some base material and any tips would be greatly appreciated.

[adrenalated]

I've had plenty of ptex gun repairs hold against an edge without using metal grip, although that's better. However, do as iggy sez.

[tuco]

By patch you mean trim out and replace a portion of the base material? Epoxied in? I do have some slow set epoxy I just got for a spinner repair. If so I’d be willing to tackle that. Some base material and any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Yep. Repair your own fucking edge compression thread should cover it.

[mtskibum16]

Yep. Repair your own fucking edge compression thread should cover it.

Sweet thanks!

Iggy I’ll email about the base material.

So temporarily to finish out vacation (maybe one more ski day) should I ski it as is and make sure it’s dried good after or do a ptex candle to seal it up? (Sorry I realize this isn’t really an ON3P topic)

[dub2]

Can anyone comment on how locked in the wren 96 feels? Still looking for a low tide ski to complement my GPOs, which I love for the combination of ability to rail but also feel pivoty when skiing centered. I know Wrens can rail, and with the significant tail rocker, can you break the tails free and smear when you want? Looking for a low tide ski for firm snow and firm steeps. My GPOs do fine in those conditions, but if I can find something skinnier to complement them I would prefer that. Current quiver consists of GPOs on all but deep days, and 4frnt renegades as my deep snow ski. The rens are a different animal, but I love how they feel in pow.

[the_flying_v]

Can anyone comment on how locked in the wren 96 feels? Still looking for a low tide ski to complement my GPOs, which I love for the combination of ability to rail but also feel pivoty when skiing centered. I know Wrens can rail, and with the significant tail rocker, can you break the tails free and smear when you want? Looking for a low tide ski for firm snow and firm steeps. My GPOs do fine in those conditions, but if I can find something skinnier to complement them I would prefer that. Current quiver consists of GPOs on all but deep days, and 4frnt renegades as my deep snow ski. The rens are a different animal, but I love how they feel in pow.

Wren 96ti ftw. Rail and smear. Boss firm steeps for sure.