ON3P SKIS Discussion

[TeleBeaver]

Can anyone comment on how locked in the wren 96 feels? Still looking for a low tide ski to complement my GPOs, which I love for the combination of ability to rail but also feel pivoty when skiing centered. I know Wrens can rail, and with the significant tail rocker, can you break the tails free and smear when you want? Looking for a low tide ski for firm snow and firm steeps. My GPOs do fine in those conditions, but if I can find something skinnier to complement them I would prefer that. Current quiver consists of GPOs on all but deep days, and 4frnt renegades as my deep snow ski. The rens are a different animal, but I love how they feel in pow.

For a 96mm directional ski they smear really well, almost too well. They don't really hook up on firm groomers that well. It could be the tune or the lack of torsional rigidity that is likely fixed with the ti versions. On steep edgeable chalk they are super stable and predictable, and in powder they punch well above their width. I also have a lot of fun on them in soft bumps, especially in the spring. It is a phenomenal ski for any off-piste low-tide conditions, and a great ski for soft groomers. It is no ice carver, but it isn't really marketed that way and I am pretty sure iggy doesn't make skis for groomers lol.

[dub2]

For a 96mm directional ski they smear really well, almost too well. They don't really hook up on firm groomers that well. It could be the tune or the lack of torsional rigidity that is likely fixed with the ti versions. On steep edgeable chalk they are super stable and predictable, and in powder they punch well above their width. I also have a lot of fun on them in soft bumps, especially in the spring. It is a phenomenal ski for any off-piste low-tide conditions, and a great ski for soft groomers. It is no ice carver, but it isn't really marketed that way and I am pretty sure iggy doesn't make skis for groomers lol.

Sounds like exactly what I am looking for. Definitely not looking for a carving ski, still want to be able to smear. Just want to make off piste firm more enjoyable. The GPOs hold their own in those conditions, but they are still 116 underfoot and probably shouldn't be the skinniest ski I own for resort skiing

[PeachesNCream]

Having owned 108's and 116's at the same time in the past. They felt a bit redundant. So my go to is 108's and Billygoats.

Appreciate the advice. How playful are the BGs? One thing I love about the J108s is how they make me want to hit every little kicker in sight, I'm not looking to spin much but I love that "jibby" feeling. Do the BGs have a similar feeling? I'm fine with giving up some for a more deep snow oriented ski but don't want the ski feeling dead.

Edit: maybe mount BGs slightly forward for a more playful feel? But I might remember someone saying don't mess with mount points on RES skis..

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[SkiLyft]

Appreciate the advice. How playful are the BGs? One thing I love about the J108s is how they make me want to hit every little kicker in sight, I'm not looking to spin much but I love that "jibby" feeling. Do the BGs have a similar feeling? I'm fine with giving up some for a more deep snow oriented ski but don't want the ski feeling dead.

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I daily drive goats and have for the last 3 years... playful is not a word I give the goats. They are incredibly flickable and will smear pretty much any turn but they are directional. You can directionally send anything so if that’s “playful” then FKNA. Additionally, you can load them up but the tail profile doesn’t give you the pop that the J108 does.

Bamboo to me never feels dead though... so you shouldn’t be concerned about that.


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[beeeom]

Appreciate the advice. How playful are the BGs? One thing I love about the J108s is how they make me want to hit every little kicker in sight, I'm not looking to spin much but I love that "jibby" feeling. Do the BGs have a similar feeling? I'm fine with giving up some for a more deep snow oriented ski but don't want the ski feeling dead.

Edit: maybe mount BGs slightly forward for a more playful feel? But I might remember someone saying don't mess with mount points on RES skis..

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I rock my 186 BG's at +1.5 and they are hands down the best ski I've ever been on. Smear, slash, spin, pop, pillows, charge, stomp, like it ain't no thang

I've got a touring set up on my 189's and have those +1 and they are also the titties.

[PeachesNCream]

If you can make it up to the panhandle you can take my 189’s for a spin. 317 BSL with room to go smaller.


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This offer still on the table? Hah, it's been a year but just moved up to Sandpoint/Spokane earlier this month. Congrats on the supergoats

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[SkiLyft]

I rock my 186 BG's at +1.5

Hahaha, yeah, that’s not really advisable. But do you!


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[banzai]

Attachment 354499Yep. Repair your own fucking edge compression thread should cover it.

The matching of the zig-zags is so satisfying to look at.


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[mtskibum16]

Appreciate the advice. How playful are the BGs? One thing I love about the J108s is how they make me want to hit every little kicker in sight, I'm not looking to spin much but I love that "jibby" feeling. Do the BGs have a similar feeling? I'm fine with giving up some for a more deep snow oriented ski but don't want the ski feeling dead.

Edit: maybe mount BGs slightly forward for a more playful feel? But I might remember someone saying don't mess with mount points on RES skis..

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Mount on the line. If you want jibby or ultimate playfulness get a J116 IMO.

I’m an active/playful skier (slashing and hitting side wall hits etc) and the BGs are happy to oblige even if they aren’t necessarily urging you to do so. But playful down the fall line absolutely!

[123ski]

Appreciate the advice. How playful are the BGs? One thing I love about the J108s is how they make me want to hit every little kicker in sight, I'm not looking to spin much but I love that "jibby" feeling. Do the BGs have a similar feeling? I'm fine with giving up some for a more deep snow oriented ski but don't want the ski feeling dead.

Edit: maybe mount BGs slightly forward for a more playful feel? But I might remember someone saying don't mess with mount points on RES skis..

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I mounted my billy goats on the line.

To me they feel 80% as playful as the J108 and about as stiff as the WD108.

In powder they release very well.

I skied 18” of variable wind blown powder at Alta yesterday on the BG. Lower eddies was covered in sharks and several snow covered rocks. I’m fairly certain I had more fun popping off of more random knolls and Ollieing over rocks than I had while skiing pachinko with 24” fresh on it with my Bibbys.

Bottom line. It skis powder however you want it to ski powder. Poppy and slashy when you want it to be. Able to make any turn shape and size you want. Doesn’t cut hung up on mank. Wants to ski fast.

If the Armada ARG, Armada Magic J, DPS Wailer RPC112C, and Jeffrey 108 had a massive orgy, this might be the ski that results.

In all seriousness, after skiing 1 run on my 189 BG my BIL decided to sell his RPC112c an get these instead.

I’ve owned the following skis and would be happy to make a full comparison of any of them if you pressed me hard enough: WD108, J108, J116, BG, Magic J, ARG, JJ, Donner Party, Super7, S7, S6, Steeze, Bibby Pro, Prophet 130, 4Frnt Renegade, VCT, Bibby Pro, Rocker2 108, Mindbender 99ti

I’ve also had extensive access to the following and may be able to compare to these as well: Wren 108, RPC112c, Sumo, Chopstick, Hellbent, EP Pro, Pontoon, Comi, Garbones, Norwalk, Pilsner EHP, PBJ


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[tuco]

The matching of the zig-zags is so satisfying to look at.


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I tried

[beeeom]

Hahaha, yeah, that’s not really advisable. But do you!


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Well I would advise it if you prefer a more centered mount, love BG's, and are skiing steep 'n deep trees and big hits in the Kootenay's! Have you ever skied slightly forward mounted BG's or do you just have self-endowed authority on the subject?

[123ski]

Well I would advise it if you prefer a more centered mount, love BG's, and are skiing steep 'n deep trees and big hits in the Kootenay's! Have you ever skied slightly forward mounted BG's or do you just have self-endowed authority on the subject?

RES does some funky shit when your boot isn’t aligned to the sidecut


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[kid-kapow]

Have you ever skied slightly forward mounted BG's or do you just have self-endowed authority on the subject?

Are you new to this thread? Or did you just miss one of the oft repeated mantras of this thread - aka always mount RES skis on the line, unless you have some very specific reason not? I dunno - strange tone in that statement for being the exception, and a very rare exception too, to the rule.

BGs are extremely fun in soft snow, and are incredibly nimble and loose for being a directional ski - but a playful, jibby ski they are not. Mount point will not change that. I suspect Dynastar M-Free 118 mounted slightly towards center could be something that retains a lot of the looseness of BGBs, while being closer to J116s wrt to jibby, playful characteristics permissive of going switch.

BGs and J116s ski quite differently, though both cater to a centered stance. Neither dig being driven hard through the shovels. Both are mighty fine skis for the correct user and terrain.

[CallMeAl]

Well I would advise it if you prefer a more centered mount, love BG's, and are skiing steep 'n deep trees and big hits in the Kootenay's! Have you ever skied slightly forward mounted BG's or do you just have self-endowed authority on the subject?

I like forward mounts on most skis, but not on BGs. Other skis I have liked/owned are Faction Royale, Jeffrey 110, Kartel 108, Rossi Sickle...you get the idea.

I have '12-'13 186 BG tours/veneer mounted at +1, and don't like them nearly as much as any other RES goat I've skied on @ recommended (which is all of them in both 184/186 and 189/191 sizes, including Steeple 116s, which is probably the closest match to the BG Tours and I have skied on with alpine bindings as well as touring bindings @rec).

They're a little quicker to throw sideways @+1 than @rec, but slower to engage rear sidecut and don't deflect chop as effortlessly. IME they're already a breeze to smear, so I don't find any merit in going that route.

Reason for the +1 is because I quiver killed for Radicals and FKS when they were new, and had to put FKS there to make it work. Wish I didn't, they're pretty much a wall piece now because 1st gen radicals suck compared to modern touring bindings, and there just isn't a scenario where I'd grab a +1 goat over my rec. goats. Hmmm, maybe I should CAST 'em...

[galibier_numero_un]

I like forward mounts on most skis, but not on BGs. Other skis I have liked/owned are Faction Royale, Jeffrey 110, Kartel 108, Rossi Sickle...you get the idea.

I have '12-'13 186 BG tours/veneer mounted at +1, and don't like them nearly as much as any other RES goat I've skied on @ recommended (which is all of them in both 184/186 and 189/191 sizes, including Steeple 116s, which is probably the closest match to the BG Tours and I have skied on with alpine bindings as well as touring bindings @rec).

They're a little quicker to throw sideways @+1 than @rec, but slower to engage rear sidecut and don't deflect chop as effortlessly. IME they're already a breeze to smear, so I don't find any merit in going that route.

Reason for the +1 is because I quiver killed for Radicals and FKS when they were new, and had to put FKS there to make it work. Wish I didn't, they're pretty much a wall piece now because 1st gen radicals suck compared to modern touring bindings, and there just isn't a scenario where I'd grab a +1 goat over my rec. goats. Hmmm, maybe I should CAST 'em...

Aw ... come on ... get yer screw extractor out to remove the inserts, plug those babies with fiberglass and epoxy and get 'em back into service https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...reedom-Inserts

On another note, my ATK Raider 12s arrived today. Am I nuts to "down size" BG Tours to 179? I love my Praxis GPOs (182) which are 180.5 straight pull. I liked my 187 GPOs until I got into real tight trees.

A 184 is about my max inbounds length, and both inbounds and out, I prioritize for tight, Colorado trees.

I suspect this is something only I can make peace with, especially since neither length comes in red.

...Thom

[beeeom]

RES does some funky shit when your boot isn’t aligned to the sidecut


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Seems to work alright at +1 to me?!

Are you new to this thread? Or did you just miss one of the oft repeated mantras of this thread - aka always mount RES skis on the line, unless you have some very specific reason not? I dunno - strange tone in that statement for being the exception, and a very rare exception too, to the rule.

Ya you may subscribe to the dogma of this thread and BB and that's cool, but if you go a bit forward, the wheels do not fall off the bus. In fact, you may gain a little somethin somethin...

[123ski]

Seems to work alright at +1 to me?!

I like my skis to work perfectly, rather than alright

Jk nice line


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[SkiLyft]

Quick review on day 1 of the super goats, mounted, yup you guessed it... on the feckin line!!

Conditions were not optimal for goats as we got rain up to 7000 followed by the freezing level plummeting to the valley with 2” or so on top (on Tuesday) that was pretty much blown away by now.

Anyways, found south facing aspects which had been warmed by the sun and the SG blew my mind. I’ve always said that anything aside from blue ice the goats will do alright but the lowered tail rocker and longer effective edge let’s these sex sticks hook up and RAIL!! You can definitely drive em a bit more due the above characteristics. The 1.5x is perfect. As I moved down the mountain into the shade there were plenty chicken heads that were refrozen and I barely felt them.

I have yet to get them in tighter sections but they are still plenty nimble to throw sideways when I wanted to speed check.

I’m stoked... like stupid stoked!!

Pretty much amplified every great characteristic I love of my goats and gave them even more stability and got rid of the characteristics which let a skier get lazy on the OG goat and still do fine. Again these are not hard to ski in the least!!

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[jackattack]

sex sticks

heh

[beeeom]

I like my skis to work perfectly, rather than alright

Jk nice line


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Turns out +1.5 is OK too! Who woulda thunk!?

[PeachesNCream]

I mounted my billy goats on the line.

To me they feel 80% as playful as the J108 and about as stiff as the WD108.

In powder they release very well.

I skied 18” of variable wind blown powder at Alta yesterday on the BG. Lower eddies was covered in sharks and several snow covered rocks. I’m fairly certain I had more fun popping off of more random knolls and Ollieing over rocks than I had while skiing pachinko with 24” fresh on it with my Bibbys.

Bottom line. It skis powder however you want it to ski powder. Poppy and slashy when you want it to be. Able to make any turn shape and size you want. Doesn’t cut hung up on mank. Wants to ski fast.

If the Armada ARG, Armada Magic J, DPS Wailer RPC112C, and Jeffrey 108 had a massive orgy, this might be the ski that results.

In all seriousness, after skiing 1 run on my 189 BG my BIL decided to sell his RPC112c an get these instead.

I’ve owned the following skis and would be happy to make a full comparison of any of them if you pressed me hard enough: WD108, J108, J116, BG, Magic J, ARG, JJ, Donner Party, Super7, S7, S6, Steeze, Bibby Pro, Prophet 130, 4Frnt Renegade, VCT, Bibby Pro, Rocker2 108, Mindbender 99ti

I’ve also had extensive access to the following and may be able to compare to these as well: Wren 108, RPC112c, Sumo, Chopstick, Hellbent, EP Pro, Pontoon, Comi, Garbones, Norwalk, Pilsner EHP, PBJ


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People have already talked a little bit about it here but I'd be curious on your thoughts of J116 vs billy goat. Any chance you've skied a Protest? That's the main ski the BG would replace.

My other skis are MVP, Rocker 108, and J108 as my reference points.

With all the skis you've skied, which would be your pick for a crud busting, jibby, playful charger, pow ski that does well in trees? Lots of reading landed me on the BG.

6'3, 205, skiing in northern Idaho

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[N1CK.]

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Didn't your standard goats have a super forward mount, like near centered? IIRC that guy didn't like 'em ... I wonder why??

[SkiLyft]

With all the skis you've skied, which would be your pick for a crud busting, jibby, playful charger, pow ski that does well in trees?

You just described the Billygoat.

Where do you ski?

I have:
-current gen goat mounted at 315, room to go down.

- super goat mounted 310 with room to go up or down.






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[SkiLyft]

Didn't your standard goats have a super forward mount, like near centered? IIRC that guy didn't like 'em ... I wonder why??

Haha yeah, thanks again for buying them there in CO and shipping them to me.

They had dukes pretty much center mounted!

Haha similar story on my super goats, original owner mounted with dynafiddles.

Guess it’s great for me haha!


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