ON3P SKIS Discussion

[margotron]

Can someone who tours on the 108 steeple chime in with a quick review?


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[Banh Mi]

Damnit! There was a sweet pair of barely used 189 w98s with bindings on ebay for $400 shipped and I missed them!


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[mattig]

Damnit! There was a sweet pair of barely used 189 w98s with bindings on ebay for $400 shipped and I missed them!


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Unless they were double carbon, you wouldn't have gotten along with those, IMO.

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[Bruce Springskiin]

Can someone who tours on the 108 steeple chime in with a quick review?


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Really happy with the ski. It is not the lightest of touring skis out there, so if you are touring and focused on uphill performance and don’t really care about the downhill performance you might want to look else where. The 108 is skiable in a wide range of conditions, POW to spring cream cheese. I like that I can enjoy turns with confidence on the downhill, and know that if I need to, I can pin it out of a bad spot without the ski giving up on me.


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[Banh Mi]

Unless they were double carbon, you wouldn't have gotten along with those, IMO.

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I like medium flexing skis in bumps and for jumping around and getting creative. Plus they still have enough length to get speed.

I loved the old vicik, and the tychoon was also pretty damn good.


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[margotron]

Really happy with the ski. It is not the lightest of touring skis out there, so if you are touring and focused on uphill performance and don’t really care about the downhill performance you might want to look else where. The 108 is skiable in a wide range of conditions, POW to spring cream cheese. I like that I can enjoy turns with confidence on the downhill, and know that if I need to, I can pin it out of a bad spot without the ski giving up on me.


- I am here for the stoke

That's a great review. What I'm looking for. Also looking for disportionately good float in a 108 underfoot ski, which RES should deliver.

What conditions does it do _badly_ in? I feel that's often overlooked in any ski discussion and kinda super important

[auvgeek]

I haven't skied the Steeple 108, but the design is very soft-snow oriented so I would be highly surprised if it performed well on harder snow. Especially compared to other skis 108 underfoot, like the Blizzard Zero G 108.

[Banh Mi]

I haven't skied the Steeple 108, but the design is very soft-snow oriented so I would be highly surprised if it performed well on harder snow. Especially compared to other skis 108 underfoot, like the Blizzard Zero G 108.

I thought the steeple 112s handled harder snow significantly better than Billy Goats. They felt more “all mtn” when on edge, and they were on the verge of linking up, while the softer flex combined with RES floated exceptionally well. I bet the 108s are better on hardpack than the old 112s. Still, RES skis arent the best for firm, but they “get the job done” without complaint for me..

I am in the process of buying a mid fat touring ski, and if the steeple 108 was a bit lighter, I would definitely give it a go. I think RES is very confidence inspiring, even for firmer conditions. No, they dont link up like traditional sidecut skis would, but they are still uber-predictable for me in any condition.

I am debating zero G 108 and volkl 100eight. Idk how light I really want to go..


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[mtskibum16]

Just pulled the trigger on some Billy Goats! So stoked to finally join the ON3P club! It’s going to be a long off season.

[Bruce Springskiin]

That's a great review. What I'm looking for. Also looking for disportionately good float in a 108 underfoot ski, which RES should deliver.

What conditions does it do _badly_ in? I feel that's often overlooked in any ski discussion and kinda super important

It handles better than most light touring skis on groomed or hard packed conditions because it is a little heavier, and the bamboo has a nice rebound to it. There are a number of people skiing them inbounds also. I have a steeple 102 with telemark bindings

[margotron]

I thought the steeple 112s handled harder snow significantly better than Billy Goats. They felt more “all mtn” when on edge, and they were on the verge of linking up, while the softer flex combined with RES floated exceptionally well. I bet the 108s are better on hardpack than the old 112s. Still, RES skis arent the best for firm, but they “get the job done” without complaint for me..

I am in the process of buying a mid fat touring ski, and if the steeple 108 was a bit lighter, I would definitely give it a go. I think RES is very confidence inspiring, even for firmer conditions. No, they dont link up like traditional sidecut skis would, but they are still uber-predictable for me in any condition.

I am debating zero G 108 and volkl 100eight. Idk how light I really want to go..


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Has the volkl108 been updated? Used to suck

Volkl BMT??


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[Banh Mi]

I think this year they changed up the layup a bit on the volkls, added a bit more fiberglass to the layup, and made them damper without adding too much weight. I have heard they are awesome skis. Wouldn’t be nearly as durable as On3p steeples would be though..

What’s the official weight on 189 steeple 108s?



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[kid-kapow]

BMTs are pretty damn good for their intended use imo. I went with the whole line up (94/109/122) as my soft snow touring skis - with ON3Ps fulfilling all other duties in my current quiver. I only have a few days on the 122s (that i absolutely love), have only tried the 109 for approx 2 hours, and I have never skied the 94s - so my experience is kinda limited. The performance of the 122s convinced me that BMTs are a perfect match for my touring needs though, so went all in. I have yet to talk to somebody who doesn't like their BMTs, so i guess that is something. Super easy and intuitive ski that is a lot of fun to ski, and is good at a lot, if perhaps not brilliant at anything.

liked the news presented in the Blister podcast wrt 2019 kartel 108 (now bi radius sidecut) and wren114 (big line crusher). Sounds pretty much on point.

[margotron]

BMTs are pretty damn good for their intended use imo. I went with the whole line up (94/109/122) as my soft snow touring skis - with ON3Ps fulfilling all other duties in my current quiver. I only have a few days on the 122s (that i absolutely love), have only tried the 109 for approx 2 hours, and I have never skied the 94s - so my experience is kinda limited. The performance of the 122s convinced me that BMTs are a perfect match for my touring needs though, so went all in. I have yet to talk to somebody who doesn't like their BMTs, so i guess that is something. Super easy and intuitive ski that is a lot of fun to ski, and is good at a lot, if perhaps not brilliant at anything.

liked the news presented in the Blister podcast wrt 2019 kartel 108 (now bi radius sidecut) and wren114 (big line crusher). Sounds pretty much on point.

I'm yet to see negative comment about the BMTs. They seem to be becoming a reference ski. I'm curious about the 4frnt Raven as well. It'll be Steeple or one of those lighter skiis for my next setup


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[mtskibum16]

Interesting about the Kartel switching to bi-radius. I’d love to ski both style back to back for a comparison on feel. Side cut style is something most companies don’t seem to talk about. What is “standard” for most companies?

[adrenalated]

Interesting about the Kartel switching to bi-radius. I’d love to ski both style back to back for a comparison on feel. Side cut style is something most companies don’t seem to talk about. What is “standard” for most companies?

Most skis would be either a single (constant) radius, or some sort of bi-radius or compound/multiple radius.
Elliptical sidecut and RES are both designs that, to my knowledge, are uniquely ON3P. Although other companies do use multiple radii of some sort in their sidecuts, that doesn't mean they do them exactly the same way as ON3P's bi-radius. But combining two or more radii into the overall sidecut arc is something that other companies also do. For instance, Down uses a sidecut on some skis that combines a constant radius in the tip with elliptical curves underfoot and in the tail.

[Self Jupiter]

^just to build upon that, the Asym tip and tails of my -10 Praxis Quixotes is less noticeAble on snow than the multidimensional sidecut, IMO. It takes some getting used to. The ski comes around in an instant if you get on the tips, less so if you’re skiing more centered. Like unintentional flat spin 360 if you’re not careful. I’m mounted on the line.

[Banh Mi]

I really enjoy On3ps bi-radius sidecut. A Kartel 108 with that is right up my alley, and is what I am missing in my quiver.


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[margotron]

Can someone straighten me out out on which models have bi radius, which elliptical, in the past and going forward? I know about RES.

I own the kartel 116. It has elliptical front and rear?


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[auvgeek]

Can someone straighten me out out on which models have bi radius, which elliptical, in the past and going forward? I know about RES.

I own the kartel 116. It has elliptical front and rear?

AFAIK, the jibby pow skis (Caylor, Jeffrey 114/122(?), and now K116) have always had bi-radius, for as long as ON3P has been using that term. The 110 and narrower all-mountain jib ski has been elliptical for a while, since at least the Jeffrey 110 and now the Kartel 106/108. The bi-radius sidecut is more soft-snow oriented, but some people earlier in this thread have said they find it more predictable and less hooky in firm snow than the elliptical. According to Scott/ON3P, the elliptical hooks up more the harder it is put on edge, but feels pretty straight with bases flat.

I've been very happy on the Jeffrey 110, which I thought had the biradius, but I just re-read Scott's email from 2014 and it says the Jeffrey has the elliptical. Interesting. I've been quite happy with it, but I ski a lot with bases flat so I guess it makes sense.

[Banh Mi]

What was the jeffrey 114? Elliptical?


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[kid-kapow]

per on3pskis.com (it is amazing what one can find by going to the source): k116 is bi radius, while the current k108 and k98, magnus, jessie88 and j98 all have elliptical sidecut. The rest are bi radius or res.

As for the more extensive list of all former skis and their sidecut profile, check out the on3p catalogues on issuu to find the info.

[auvgeek]

I edited my post after re-reading Scott's email from 2014 when I was ordering some Jeffreys.

The Jeffrey 114 was bi-radius. The previous Jeffrey 110 was elliptical, as well as the K106 that replaced it. Since then, every Kartel narrower than 110 has been elliptical. It makes sense -- ON3P used bi-radius on the pow skis and elliptical on the hard-snow biased skis.

[Banh Mi]

Darn, I didnt get along with the J114 as much as I wanted to. Found it too “hooky”.


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[auvgeek]

Darn, I didnt get along with the J114 as much as I wanted to. Found it too “hooky”.

J114 had a 25m radius in the 186 with the bi-radius sidecut, so I don't really know. Be curious for you to ski the J110 with the same stated radius in the elliptical sidecut to see how what you think.

I'd love to ski the old and new K108 back to back to see.