ON3P SKIS Discussion

[NW_SKIER]

Hating the tgr circle jerk mostly. Goes for praxis as well. Also changes in my skiing style. Basically I started finding that I preferred skis with longer radius (thanks to the lp105)... started to look for a powder ski with a ~30m turn radius, damp layup, stiffer flex, taper, and ample rocker. Was disappointed to find the BillyGoats checked all those boxes. Demo'd a pair of 189s on a really terrible day and was impressed by thier performance in breakable crust. I tried my best to find a less tgr ejaculatory ski but finally caved when my 191s fell in to my lap.

Just slap a dynastar sticker on them.

[auvgeek]

Hating the tgr circle jerk mostly. Goes for praxis as well. Also changes in my skiing style. Basically I started finding that I preferred skis with longer radius (thanks to the lp105)... started to look for a powder ski with a ~30m turn radius, damp layup, stiffer flex, taper, and ample rocker. Was disappointed to find the BillyGoats checked all those boxes. Demo'd a pair of 189s on a really terrible day and was impressed by thier performance in breakable crust. I tried my best to find a less tgr ejaculatory ski but finally caved when my 191s fell in to my lap.

It's hard to wade through the TGR hype, but you can't hold that against any particular ski company. They didn't exactly ask for it.

Funny story about my idiocy and naivety: I remember when everyone was all about the DPS Wailer 112s circa 2011. I hadn't been skiing much (college on the east coast) and had never skied a rockered ski, so when I got my first real job, I ponied up for a pair of W112s, full retail, sight unseen. Took one look at them and the huge taper, massive sidecut, and floppy rocker and instantly knew I made a mistake. Total stupidity -- I took the TGR bait hook, line, and sinker. Fortunately, Marshall let me trade them for a Lotus. Since then, I've been very wary of TGR hype. YMMV.

[homeeey]

What are stock edge and base bevel angles for 2011/12 Billy Goats and Viciks?

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[iggyskier]

What are stock edge and base bevel angles for 2011/12 Billy Goats and Viciks?

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1/1.

[Sessiøn]

It's hard to wade through the TGR hype, but you can't hold that against any particular ski company. They didn't exactly ask for it.

Funny story about my idiocy and naivety: I remember when everyone was all about the DPS Wailer 112s circa 2011. I hadn't been skiing much (college on the east coast) and had never skied a rockered ski, so when I got my first real job, I ponied up for a pair of W112s, full retail, sight unseen. Took one look at them and the huge taper, massive sidecut, and floppy rocker and instantly knew I made a mistake. Total stupidity -- I took the TGR bait hook, line, and sinker. Fortunately, Marshall let me trade them for a Lotus. Since then, I've been very wary of TGR hype. YMMV.

Don't feel bad. I jumped on the second gen Billygoats, and quickly realized that it was more of a finesses ski that I wasn't ready for. Luckily at the time I lived right across the river from the first ON3P factory. And Scott got me lined up on some Caylor's which suited me much better at the time. Grizzlycorn even.

[2FUNKY]

Today, I skied one lap on my 202 DPS Lotus 138, "the ultimate tool for 3D deep snow marketing hype"... and promptly skied back to the car to retrieve my BillyGoats. The BG are far more predictable when hauling ass in upside-down somewhat deep snow. The tip can be trusted to float no matter what manner of wind funk is ahead... whereas the lotus wanted to "spear" through the dense snow, causing the tip to have a tendency to dive.

Stupid skis are ruining my quiver. :-/

202 138 lotus with "tip dive", yeah, ok.

[undertow2]

Hating the tgr circle jerk mostly. Goes for praxis as well. Also changes in my skiing style. Basically I started finding that I preferred skis with longer radius (thanks to the lp105)... started to look for a powder ski with a ~30m turn radius, damp layup, stiffer flex, taper, and ample rocker. Was disappointed to find the BillyGoats checked all those boxes. Demo'd a pair of 189s on a really terrible day and was impressed by thier performance in breakable crust. I tried my best to find a less tgr ejaculatory ski but finally caved when my 191s fell in to my lap.

What is funny now you are adding to the circle jerk after being a hater for so long...

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[Kopi_Red]

What is funny now you are adding to the circle jerk after being a hater for so long...

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If you have to beat it join them?

[auvgeek]

202 138 lotus with "tip dive", yeah, ok.

Have you skied both it and the pre-asym Billy Goat? I have, and I think the tip of the BG floats way more than the 202 L138. The reverse sidecut on the L138 means it has more float underfoot than in the tip, which is the exact opposite of the BG.

LVS: the R2 L138 is way more of a gun than the crazy rockered R3.X version.

[TAFKALVS]

What is funny now you are adding to the circle jerk after being a hater for so long...

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Wouldn't say I was a hater, just a skeptic.

If you have to beat it join them?

I really want to a/b your sg vs. my 191s

Have you skied both it and the pre-asym Billy Goat? I have, and I think the tip of the BG floats way more than the 202 L138. The reverse sidecut on the L138 means it has more float underfoot than in the tip, which is the exact opposite of the BG.

LVS: the R2 L138 is way more of a gun than the crazy rockered R3.X version.

Yup. My 138s are flex 3.2. I think I threw the baby out with the bathwater a little too quick, looked at my bases and they were kinda dry, which I think wasn't helping with the over the bars deal. Also I had just skied 3 pretty solid 3D snow days on the BillyGoats so think that I was really adjusted to the stance that they need and the lotus is a different beast.

So... anybody got some RES cease and desists they want to trade for lotus 138s?

[Kopi_Red]

Have you skied both it and the pre-asym Billy Goat? I have, and I think the tip of the BG floats way more than the 202 L138. The reverse sidecut on the L138 means it has more float underfoot than in the tip, which is the exact opposite of the BG.

LVS: the R2 L138 is way more of a gun than the crazy rockered R3.X version.

Yup. The narrow tips of the L138 don't provide floatation like the BGs, but the L138s are a really fun ride when it's untouched deep snow. They are ridiculous face shot machines.

I really want to a/b your sg vs. my 191s

That sounds like a fun time. Count me in.

[2FUNKY]

The tips of a L138/ProTest/ powder board/ spatula isn't where the ski gets its float? No whey!
You're still not sinking the tips in boot top snow even if you're skiing them like a narrow ass slalom ski banging gates.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

What's most amusing is taking a 202cm, 138mm waist ski out on a 9" powder day at Mission Ridge. Talk about overkill.

[TAFKALVS]

What's most amusing is taking a 202cm, 138mm waist ski out on a 9" powder day at Mission Ridge. Talk about overkill.

I ski with the snow reporter, 9" new = waist deep.

[2FUNKY]

^ That was more or less my point but serious people took it serious.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I ski with the snow reporter, 9" new = waist deep.

Yeah bro, overhead all day. Today was a bit of a letdown you laggard.

[2FUNKY]

^ Hah!

[ffmedic84]

It's hard to wade through the TGR hype, but you can't hold that against any particular ski company. They didn't exactly ask for it.

Funny story about my idiocy and naivety: I remember when everyone was all about the DPS Wailer 112s circa 2011. I hadn't been skiing much (college on the east coast) and had never skied a rockered ski, so when I got my first real job, I ponied up for a pair of W112s, full retail, sight unseen. Took one look at them and the huge taper, massive sidecut, and floppy rocker and instantly knew I made a mistake. Total stupidity -- I took the TGR bait hook, line, and sinker. Fortunately, Marshall let me trade them for a Lotus. Since then, I've been very wary of TGR hype. YMMV.

I'm in a similar boat now. I convinced myself I needed the Wrens when realistically the Kartel would have matched my style way better. Love my Jeffreys and have never owned a directional ski. When I demoed them I told myself they were for me and I'd be happy to have them as a DD. It doesn't hurt that they were a Christmas present. I want to give it until the end of the season to see if I can figure them out.

[TahoeJ]

Oh jeez, I can’t believe I’m seeing the Wrens in anyway compared to Wailer 112’s - I thought those clown shoes looked dumb as hell as soon as I first saw them. To each his own I guess.

[carlh]

I've been following this and the super goat thread too much. Hopefully someone decides the super goats are too much ski and I can snag a set for next year since family issues are keeping my skiing to the vicarious type this year anyway.

[2FUNKY]

^ Lol, get in line.

[MJbumper1121]

I always thought Wailer 112's were for people who wanted to be skiers. The yellow skis typically matched the stickers that came from the factory on their brand new smith variant brim.

[auvgeek]

Oh jeez, I can’t believe I’m seeing the Wrens in anyway compared to Wailer 112’s - I thought those clown shoes looked dumb as hell as soon as I first saw them. To each his own I guess.

Yeah, paying $1200 for a W112, which I had never even seen, let alone skied, is totally different than getting a pair of Wrens for Christmas after demoing them.

I always thought Wailer 112's were for people who wanted to be skiers. The yellow skis typically matched the stickers that came from the factory on their brand new smith variant brim.

You're not wrong.

A little bit in my defense, at that point in time, the TGR hype train was in full swing there wasn't nearly as much talk about a skis limitations -- more just "this is the best thing EVAR." Heavy, straight, cambered, metal chargers were out and deeply tapered, big sidecut, and light carbon skis were in. At least that's how I read it at the time. Obviously, I know better now, but the point is we should to be careful and try to characterize the ski accurately for all the lurkers out there.

Anyway, back to the ON3P skis.

[CascadeLuke]

Some overdue stoke. Been riding dirty on the best soft snow one-two punch I've owned



Custom 189s. BillyGoat and Wrenegade 108. Don't have much to add that hasn't already been said - without looking like I'm trying to form a circle..
It's true RES on the BG is magical. So confident, stable, high-energy, loose, and predictable. I'm sure others have experienced this but blowing by other skiers in challenging snow and grinning ear to ear on my BG's might be one of the best feelings on the Mountain. Also having skiers catch up with you in line to ask about what skis you're on and to learn more about the brand is new. I do think the BG's provide skiers a competitive advantage (given proper conditions). Also, having owned a Wren 191 - the W108 kicked it out of bed. I get all the power and chargeability with more maneuverability.

Shout out to the guys at ON3P for the extra care on my orders! Hope to see you at a demo in Washington soon.

Its clear to me ON3P makes a superior ski. I'm a recent convert. After trying a pair out I've since bought 4 pairs in a short amount of time just to experience their line. Also I'll note that I'm almost 40 and the skis are not too much to push around for the older mags. My suggestion: order custom - you'll be having them awhile.

[meepmoop24]

Finally got out on my 184 BGs and loved them. Skied wet, heavy snow and they were stable but pivoty.

Since CO is having a crap season I'm looking at picking up something skinnier with a similar feel. I like to ski bumps, but don't need these to float well or carve that great (have other skis in the quiver for those purposes). Any suggestions? Initial thoughts are the Kartel 98 or Wren 88/98.