ON3P SKIS Discussion

[mtskibum16]

Anyone skied the BG 184 mounted at -1 or 2?

Had two days on them so far mounted on the line, and the tips can't descide if they want to be on the surface (lotus 120 style) or submarine down through the pow (hoji style) and as a result I'm getting a lot of drag and jerkiness when they are popping in and out of the (relatively heavy) pow.

Very forward, traditional 185lbs skier that likes katana/lotus 120 style pow skis with set back mounts. Trying to modernize my ski style by keeping more upright but I just feel they are wanting me to be skiing in the back seat.

That's the bad points so far, good points-super damp and stable when not in pow, great in choppy slush and/or shallow crud. Interesting ski.

Get the 189s. I'd be happy to take the 184s off your hands!

[TAFKALVS]

Thanks for the input, need to try skiing more centred but instinctively I ski from my shins, not the ball of my foot. Didn't get on with hoji's (except in shallow wet pow, in which they are unreal) because of my style, but already I feel the BG aren't as centre-centric as the hoji's.

My 120's were 190cm (mounted +1cm) and they are unreal in pow, but want something more versitile-which the BG no doubt are.

184 v-werx katana as pow touring ski.

Hoping the 184 BG aren't, as some suggested, too short. They only measure a couple cm less than my 190 120's.

Will keep skiing until I have at least ten days until I change anything, sounds like they have a bit of a learning curve.

Cheers

I do think you would be happier on 189/191 fwiw. Plus it'd make you feel more core and tgr and bro in the liftline.

[iggyskier]

I do think you would be happier on 189/191 fwiw. Plus it'd make you feel more core and tgr and bro in the liftline.

I'm not sure you can feel more core, tgr, or bro on the 189. 191 only.

Please send $4,999.99. Thanks.

Rob - I'd ski em a few more days before you make any decisions. Sometimes it does take people a couple days to figure RES out. If you still have questions let us know after a few days of adjustments. Thanks!

[TAFKALVS]

191 only.

There's a reason why I waited for 191s instead of the really short 189s.

[kid-kapow]

man, and here i thought the Supergoat shredsticks were 193 all along!

[TAFKALVS]

My 191 next to SuperGoats have a barely noticeable length difference.

[Rob Stokes]

Skiing with dalbello lupo 130 with intuition pro tongue and boosters. Pretty upright boot.

Ski on Blackcomb, lots of storm skiing and trees, hence me going 84 instead of 89. I agonized over this for a while!

Gonna keep skiing them for sure, hopefully will get used to them in pow. They have been everything I wanted in other snow types so I'm sure we will get there.

[Reformed]

Drive them in shit, a little more neutral in pow.

QFT. I'm on the Steeple 108 and agree 100%. Also just realized that other variables (boots and bindings) were playing a much larger role than I thought, so finding this balance was initially not as easy as I had thought it would be. Made a very subtle change to my ramp angle and CLICK! the skis became very intuitive and moar awesomer. Make sure you're accounting for these other pieces of the puzzle if they've changed since previous skis. Ramp angle is all over the map with the variety of tech bindings and tech-compatible boots we're mounting and expecting to ski like alpine clamps/boots these days.
Ramp/stance nerdery aside, I have found that the Steeple hits well above its waist width in pow, rips crud/chopped pow and can trench soft-ish groomers. Very happy with this ski thus far!

[jackattack]

My 191 next to SuperGoats have a barely noticeable length difference.

Yeah, about 2 cm... all tip.

[Norseman]

QFT. I'm on the Steeple 108 and agree 100%. Also just realized that other variables (boots and bindings) were playing a much larger role than I thought, so finding this balance was initially not as easy as I had thought it would be. Made a very subtle change to my ramp angle and CLICK! the skis became very intuitive and moar awesomer. Make sure you're accounting for these other pieces of the puzzle if they've changed since previous skis. Ramp angle is all over the map with the variety of tech bindings and tech-compatible boots we're mounting and expecting to ski like alpine clamps/boots these days.
Ramp/stance nerdery aside, I have found that the Steeple hits well above its waist width in pow, rips crud/chopped pow and can trench soft-ish groomers. Very happy with this ski thus far!

Great point on ramp. Shit makes such a huge difference on boards like these that force attention to fore-aft balance.

[slowroastin]

I had my Wren 98’s out for the first time today in 8 inches of wet snow on top of frozen rain. I found them really hooky and only wanting to run straight. Im going to detune the tips and tails and try them out again.

Have a couple more days on the Wren 98 189. I absolutely love them. The shape and flex work perfect for me. They arc silky smooth 60mph gs turns, straight line mini mogul fields, and dump speed predictably. The sweet spot feels like the entire ski. I cant explain in words how perfect the flex is. The ski does everything the way you ask and wont beat you up as the day goes.




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[PowTron]

Have a couple more days on the Wren 98 189. I absolutely love them. The shape and flex work perfect for me. They arc silky smooth 60mph gs turns, straight line mini mogul fields, and dump speed predictably. The sweet spot feels like the entire ski. I cant explain in words how perfect the flex is. The ski does everything the way you ask and wont beat you up as the day goes.




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Atta boy. Glad they are clicking for you now.

[2FUNKY]

The more I look at the dimensions of the SG the more I want to pony up, or goat up? Hopefully I can get on a pair to tickle my curiosity and push me one way or the other.

[Self Jupiter]

I'm a forward pusher too. What I found works best is if I flex my ankles but don't flex my knees as much. So skiing with shin contact but standing up a little taller. I'd also say, I'm pretty close to your size, I'm on the 191 and have yet to want to either shorter or longer. I can push as hard as I want in pow. On groomers/hard snow a more neutral stance is rewarded.

^well articulated. For me, sometimes just thinking to do this while I’m skiing powder, vs naturally falling back on old habits of driving the tips first and foremost, opens up the right technique for these shapes to do what they do in soft snow. I just keep thinking steer from ankles, steer from ankles, steer from ankles. Didn’t nobody say boots not on shins.

[TahoeJ]

IMO when skiing heavy powder on BG's you still want to drive the tips a fair amount. Maybe not the same as driving the Wrens through crud but It's hardly a centered stance ski by any means. I've never had tip dive issues - ever. I'm guessing he might be happier with 189's as some of you originally suggested. With that much rocker (and RES sidecut) they'll still be plenty quick in the trees.

[uglymoney]

First tram on the BG today at JH. Cream cheese filling in. BG just kills it. Love these bad boys!

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[TAFKALVS]

IMO when skiing heavy powder on BG's you still want to drive the tips a fair amount. Maybe not the same as driving the Wrens through crud but It's hardly a centered stance ski by any means. I've never had tip dive issues - ever. I'm guessing he might be happier with 189's as some of you originally suggested. With that much rocker (and RES sidecut) they'll still be plenty quick in the trees.

yup. need to drive the tips but not so hard that the ski doesn't have a chance to do it's magic.

[theetruscan]

I find that, in light powder, I need some pace before I can drive the tips of my BGs. In Tahoe/PNW powder, drive away.

[PowTron]

^well articulated. For me, sometimes just thinking to do this while I’m skiing powder, vs naturally falling back on old habits of driving the tips first and foremost, opens up the right technique for these shapes to do what they do in soft snow. I just keep thinking steer from ankles, steer from ankles, steer from ankles. Didn’t nobody say boots not on shins.

Yep, perfectly stated. When I said ski with pressure from balls of foot to arch you can still pressure into your boots. Just a different steering location and voilé.

[mr_pretzel]

I dont understand what blister has against the billygoat. Their most recent deep dive comparisson on the confession pretty much called it a unstable s7. They havent even ridden it in powder yet wtf.

Also found this in their comment section:
«That last iteration of the Billy Goat I spent time on was the 191 cm from, what – 4 years back? (You can still read my review of it on the site.) And that ski was a freaking battleship, and would have equalled or probably bested the 190 Bibby in terms of a sheer chop destroyer. The current 189 BG is not that ski. So, no, if supreme stability in chop at speed is what you are primarily looking for, then we would rank the 190 Bibby higher.»


This doesnt make sense, having owned 5 generations of the bg dating back to 2010 they have only gotten more dialed and better every year. The last few seasons they have gotten easier to ski while still retaining the same level of chargeability. I have not skied the asymmetrical taper version yet, but it seems to be such a small detail that it wont matter much. Am I wrong?

[TAFKALVS]

I dont understand what blister has against the billygoat. Their most recent deep dive comparisson on the confession pretty much called it a unstable s7. They havent even ridden it in powder yet wtf.

Also found this in their comment section:
«That last iteration of the Billy Goat I spent time on was the 191 cm from, what – 4 years back? (You can still read my review of it on the site.) And that ski was a freaking battleship, and would have equalled or probably bested the 190 Bibby in terms of a sheer chop destroyer. The current 189 BG is not that ski. So, no, if supreme stability in chop at speed is what you are primarily looking for, then we would rank the 190 Bibby higher.»


This doesnt make sense, having owned 5 generations of the bg dating back to 2010 they have only gotten more dialed and better every year. The last few seasons they have gotten easier to ski while still retaining the same level of chargeability. I have not skied the asymmetrical taper version yet, but it seems to be such a small detail that it wont matter much. Am I wrong?

I can ski through chop faster on my BillyGoats than on my Legend Pro 105s and yet they are more pivoty and playful in tight spaces. WTF?

[Self Jupiter]

Blister can’t seem to say any ski is a better resort powder ski than the Bibby

[Reformed]

Blister can’t seem to say any ski is a better resort powder ski than the Bibby

I agree/don't get this either. I own and ski the 190 Bibby and think it's a pretty damn good ski. I also ski the 184 Steeple 108 and have skied an older version of the BG. The Steeple really doesn't give much up to the Bibby in its ability to charge in pow and that's with touring bindings and boots. Given what I've experienced on the Steeple, I'd be really surprised if the 189 BG didn't float better, get deflected less and charge harder than the Bibby. BG likely isn't even all that much worse on hardpack, as I find the Steeples plenty grippy/able to trench groomers. Radius is pretty big, so they need some space, but they hang in there surprisingly well if you're willing to drive them/go pretty damn fast. It's odd that Blister is willing to jump to those kinds of conclusions after spending a few days skiing spring schmoo on the BG. Just goes to show that you don't know unless you try for yourself.

[TahoeJ]

So Blister reviewed a pow ski without skiing it in pow? I stopped paying attention to them a few years back. I appreciate the general concept but sometimes I think they're trying to look so deeply at skis they miss the forest for the trees. They also never seem to ski enough heavier snow to be relatable for someone who skis Tahoe.

[jckstein]

So Blister reviewed a pow ski without skiing it in pow? I stopped paying attention to them a few years back. I appreciate the general concept but sometimes I think they're trying to look so deeply at skis they miss the forest for the trees. They also never seem to ski enough heavier snow to be relatable for someone who skis Tahoe.

They also only like one type of ski.