ON3P SKIS Discussion

[PowTron]

I think PowTron aka Jay will be able to accomodate your skiing needs and he is probably the guy to have the chat with, and/or go demo the various skis.

Happy days

Hit me up if you want to talk options, WMD! I think I have something in mind custom wise you would dig.

[RudyGarmisch]

Really happy with the custom kartel 108’s so far.

[greasyslope]

I did a little demo today with the lady. Props to Alex, who was awesome and helpful!

Our options were somewhat limited because of our WTR soles. I ended up checking out some 184 BG’s and some 186 Kartel 108’s. I own 191 BG’s and 189 Wren 98’s (I’m also 6’3”/225 lbs), so the demo sticks were a touch small for me. The lady friend owns 186 BG’s (6’1”/160ish lbs).

Conditions were ~8” of cream that had a slight zipper crust on top. We skied relatively mellow terrain, trying to maximize the number of laps.

I started the lady out on the Kartels, as I thought she would bond well with them. She still owns some older 183 Bentchetlers that she loves, but they can feel a little short if it’s deep. It took her a couple of laps to get a feel for them, but I think it was mostly the crust that was messing with her. After a couple of runs she got the hang of them a bit more, but it was not love at first turn. They were not immediately intuitive for her, but I encouraged her to try a more active, engaged style, and she enjoyed them more after that. Still, she isn’t sold on them yet.

After 5 or so runs, we swapped skis, I was happily surprised at the Kartel’s performance in these conditions. I gradually pushed them harder and harder. They were really fun and poppy, while surfing quite well. I felt like I could push them a little beyond their liking when I really tried. In more challenging terrain, it might be a little harder on them for me. I was also impressed how smooth they released through the soft crust. They were no BG’s, but what is? Per Alex’s suggestion, I could see having a custom stiff 191.

I had been hoping to try the 189 BG’s, since my skis are the OG RES version. Only the 184’s had bindings that worked for me. They definitely were a little short for me, but I was trying to feel the asym difference. I found it subtle, which is probably not a bad thing. Even these smaller guys planed well and crossed tracks like a champ. My female companion mostly noticed that the tails seemed stiffer than her 3 year old versions.

Let the dreaming and scheming continue for this guy.

[mr_pretzel]

So i weighed my 16/17 189 BGs today and they weighed inn oddly heavy at around 3850 grams with Fks 180s. This puts the ski at around 2620g without bindings, all the info I find online shows around 2420g.

Is my scale wrong? (all the other skis I weighed seemed correct?)

[WMD]

Hey guys, thanks for chiming in. Apologies I've been offline and haven't had a chance to catch up yet.

[Rob Stokes]

So i weighed my 16/17 189 BGs today and they weighed inn oddly heavy at around 3850 grams with Fks 180s. This puts the ski at around 2620g without bindings, all the info I find online shows around 2420g.

Is my scale wrong? (all the other skis I weighed seemed correct?)

My 184cm were around 2.6 too, crazy heavy. Didn't notice it when skiing though. Actually maybe I did notice it, they steam roll through chop better than a 116mm ski should.

[2FUNKY]

So i weighed my 16/17 189 BGs today and they weighed inn oddly heavy at around 3850 grams with Fks 180s. This puts the ski at around 2620g without bindings, all the info I find online shows around 2420g.

Is my scale wrong? (all the other skis I weighed seemed correct?)

Embrace the weight. Steam roller, man. Esp inbounds.

[mr_pretzel]

No problem with the weight, the feel light on my feet and rip!, was just wondering. Thanks guys

[mn_teleswede]

I liked them at -2

To reinforce that you can mount off the line and not spontaneously combust:
I started out on the line with my 189 W98’s and moved to -2 in the parking lot after 1/2 day. The beauty of adjustability with NTN.

[TahoeJ]

To reinforce that you can mount off the line and not spontaneously combust:
I started out on the line with my 189 W98’s and moved to -2 in the parking lot after 1/2 day. The beauty of adjustability with NTN.

The whole IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE LINE mantra is just for skis with RES sidecut.

[sf]

Speaking of...... Where's the reccomended mount on the w108s? - 8?

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[kid-kapow]

PowTron/Iggyskier/anybody who knows - how does the wren88 and supergoat aever flex compare?

also, a shorter lighter rider friendly BG would def be interesting on my end as well. Why not just call the entire line Billy Goat and make a specific graphic for the shorter versions, that is perhaps the inverse/lighter colored version of the longer version graphics? I am sure it wouldn't only be females who'd be interested in a shorter BG, but also lighter males, though with a champagne room release similar to the SG people would/could just choose whatever i guess. Good that you guys are considering adding lengths to an awesome model

for everyone who is hollering and yelling for the second run of C&Ds - well, there is at least one more pair, if used, up for grabs still - if perhaps not the deal of the century (if they weren't sold out everywhere else)
https://www.evo.com/used/skis/on3p-c...s-2018-191.jpg

i think the w108 is recommended at 9.5, but my memory might be off. Wherever "it" is, it works pretty well indeed

[PowTron]

PowTron/Iggyskier/anybody who knows - how does the wren88 and supergoat aever flex compare?

While similar in width of carbon and the amount of glass, the SG Aever is going to be stiffer than the Wren 88 as it has more core material, more of everything (more glass, longer carbon).

However both are VERY stiff.

[reynolds.trailrun]

Add my name to ON3P koolaid. Bought some W88 last week. Hoping they would replace some old dynastars with multiple edge compressions. I loved my old dynastars. And the W88 are amazing.

[kid-kapow]

oh my - full aever must be one beast of a ski.

thanks for the reply

good to hear that other folks are singing the song of w88 praise

[WMD]

i have the BMTs in both 109 and 122. My time on both is extremely limited - one hour and 2.5 days respectively - so i am not sure how much weight you should put on my opinions. The reason i skied the 109s so briefly is that i got them just two days ago, and after bombing around on the slightly stiffer and heavier 122s (i prefer stiffer and heavier ) yesterday, the 109s were just a bit too light for deep, dense(ish) super tracked pow i was riding in - aka they got thrown around too much at faster speeds to feel super confidence inspiring - so i swapped to the wren108s instead as i will have plenty of time for the 109s later on. I went from wanting to sell the 122s, to thinking that they definitely deserved a spot in the quiver after riding them in super wet dense coastal fresh and that is also what prompted me getting the 109s.

While i absolutely love the wren108s, i must admit to not being 100% sure if that is the right way to go for you. The wren is a fair bit stiffer, longer radi, less tapered and i find that they require a more active/aggressive riding style than the BMTs. The w108s are bloody amazing to charge around on and they carve like a champ, they prefer going fast, but are also perhaps a bit demanding for slower skiing. I think the BMT109s are a bit more forgiving and probably a bit easier to ski. The BMT has more taper in both ends, and the slightly softer flex and the full rocker construction just makes em a more intuitive ride. I ski the BMT slightly differently than the wrens, with the latter being more point and shoot/carving, where the BMTs are easier to slarve yet hold an edge great. Both the wren and bmt needs to be driven in the same way in harder snow. So to be perfectly honest, i am not sure what the best on3p ski is for you if you want to emulate the bmt. Perhaps a slightly softer custom wren108 is the way to go, a kartel108 with the bindings mounted a bit further back to get some more taper and a slightly softer flex, or the steeple108. I think PowTron aka Jay will be able to accomodate your skiing needs and he is probably the guy to have the chat with, and/or go demo the various skis.

Thanks kid-kapow. I really appreciate the response. The BMT 109's make me chuckle almost every time I ski them as they turn so intuitively. My wife and I skied some steep, narrow, deep lines the other day and she commented on how well I was skiing and how tough she found it. I told her I was cheating because my skis are so easy and that we need to get her something similar.

That said, I do feel they have a speed limit and they get tossed around in heavier, deeper, cut up mank if I'm trying to cruise.

So, is it too much to ask for a ski that is as intuitive and easy as the BMT 109 but that has more power and can charge through chop and crud? Probably, I know. . .

I guess if I have to choose I choose intuitive and easy for the narrower steeps at Bridger over charging at Big Sky (I have a Bridger pass and only occasionally ski Big Sky -- this year)

[Norseman]

So, is it too much to ask for a ski that is as intuitive and easy as the BMT 109 but that has more power and can charge through chop and crud? Probably, I know. . .

It's called the BillyGoat. You're even in the right thread!

[slowroastin]

It's called the BillyGoat. You're even in the right thread!

Or even the Steeple 108


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[TahoeJ]

It's called the BillyGoat. You're even in the right thread!

No, it's called the Wren 108.

[Norseman]

"Charge through chop and crud" is the BG's realm.

I finally got on a set of 189 W108 and they're not nearly as capable in das chop. Easy skiing all mountain boards, yes.

[Norseman]

Youre right, though... coming from the BMT 109, the W108 might be a natural move up in power without much compromise in ski-ease.

I love my 109s... so natural in smooth snow, but they ski like a lightweight ski.

[TAFKALVS]

The whole IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE LINE mantra is just for skis with RES sidecut.

I mounted mine at -.5mm due to a hole conflict with the previous mount. So far have not fallen in to the space time rift that may have opened due to being off the line.

It's called the BillyGoat. You're even in the right thread!

!!!!!

[Norseman]

You know it, bud

[TAFKALVS]

You know it, bud

My 191s slayed the heavy gloop at Alpental on Thursday. Wouldn't have wanted to be on anything else until it started to become firm wet-pack on the runouts late afternoon.

[kid-kapow]

i do not have nearly enough time on either the bmts or wren/BG to speak with any kind of authority here. I just know that i am beyond thrilled with my bmt122s and my wren108s, and i am confident that i will be equally thrilled with my bmt109s and BG as i try em a bit more - each for their own uses (the wren108 being the most versatile ski in my quiver for my skiing preferences). Having obsessed over ski geometries and designs over the last few months and after trying a bunch of skis, i think the BMT/W108/BG quiver just makes a ton of sense for soft snow amusement across all conceivable conditions if the name of the game is to charge and not to do tricks. I am still not 100% confident that the wren108 is the perfect ski to go larking about on - a k108 might be better for that kind of use (which is why i am seriously considering getting a pair of k108s as well). I dunno. I have obviously gone into full retard mode wrt my quiver

it would be interesting to hear what kind of custom ski PowTron envisioned. I think a softer w108 or steeple108 might be more similar to a bmt109 than a stock w108. Then again a cambered ski will be more fun on the groomers,compliementing the bmt109 very well. And when all is said and done, a on3p ski will outlast the bmt a few times over as resort killer. The BMTs are many things, but sturdy is perhaps not one of em.