Wagon Stoke

[54-46]

Nice MB on the cheap (and with a mechanic in on the plan).

[yellofin]

I'm returning my TDI and have narrowed down my replacement wagon to a 2014 BMW 328 wagon or an Allroad. I dove the 328 and liked it a lot but my question is with snow tires on both cars which is better in deep snow and frozen roads?

I

[The Tortoise]

6 of one, half dozen of another. The Allroad might have more clearance but that's gonna be the only difference.

[4matic]

I'm returning my TDI and have narrowed down my replacement wagon to a 2014 BMW 328 wagon or an Allroad. I dove the 328 and liked it a lot but my question is with snow tires on both cars which is better in deep snow and frozen roads?

Weight, tires, and clearance will affect snow and ice handling the most.

[The Tortoise]

With tires being by far the most important.

[carlh]

BMW has more RWD bias in the system for easier donuts. My e91 with snows is really solid until it runs out of clearance, but requires runflats so tire options are limited.

[plugboots]

They both work very well. I have a 2011 328 wagon, and a golf with Haldex 4, and have a friend with the Allroad. Maybe a very slight nod to the Allroad for the very slight extra bit of clearance. Both the VW/Audi and the BMW work very well. The systems that operates the AWD are very sophisticated in both. I would choose based on the car and it's ability to fill your needs, not on the AWD systems.


But we're buying another BMW.

[Art Shirk]

I'm returning my TDI and have narrowed down my replacement wagon to a 2014 BMW 328 wagon or an Allroad. I dove the 328 and liked it a lot but my question is with snow tires on both cars which is better in deep snow and frozen roads?

I

[yellofin]

I appreciate all of the information I think the rear bias of the 328 will be more fun all of the other days

[4matic]

I've driven in snow like that. You'll have massive ice on your radiator in no time.

[BmillsSkier]

Yeah but, Quattro!

[Skidog]

Yeah but, Quattro!

Did that in mine. Can't recall the year but dumped snow on Xmas. Driving back home from Syracuse back to NJ. They actually closed interstate 80 at Wilkes Barre/Scranton and kicked us off the highway. The entire exit ramp was like that above video. Hammer down and hold on. She did admirably 2001 a4 1.8t. No snows.

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[plugboots]

I appreciate all of the information I think the rear bias of the 328 will be more fun all of the other days

That’s the word, but actually they drive very similarly.

For example the BMW actually corners a little better, but I think it’s just because it’s a slightly heavier car with a better suspension design, not anything due to perceived rear wheel bias.

[BmillsSkier]

Did that in mine. Can't recall the year but dumped snow on Xmas. Driving back home from Syracuse back to NJ. They actually closed interstate 80 at Wilkes Barre/Scranton and kicked us off the highway. The entire exit ramp was like that above video. Hammer down and hold on. She did admirably 2001 a4 1.8t. No snows.

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I had a moment like that when I was back home visiting family for Christmas one year and was making the drive up to Holiday Valley for a day of skiing. They shut down I-90 along Lake Erie as it dumped 2' in some crazy short timeframe and had no intention of stopping. I was in a 2011 X5 and took the first exit I could. About 5 miles back a late model Volvo XC70 passed me cutting a clear path through the pow doing about 55 with zero fucks given.

I saw his tracks heading eastbound as I made my exit. Definitely stuck with me as we replaced our X5 for a XC70 years later.

[grabtindy]

Torsen equipped Audi's are also rear biased, 60/40 IIIRC. Big difference from the Haldex equipped models (TT, A3). My torsen A4 can be steered pretty effectively with the skinny pedal when conditions are right.

[Skidog]

I had a moment like that when I was back home visiting family for Christmas one year and was making the drive up to Holiday Valley for a day of skiing. They shut down I-90 along Lake Erie as it dumped 2' in some crazy short timeframe and had no intention of stopping. I was in a 2011 X5 and took the first exit I could. About 5 miles back a late model Volvo XC70 passed me cutting a clear path through the pow doing about 55 with zero fucks given.

I saw his tracks heading eastbound as I made my exit. Definitely stuck with me as we replaced our X5 for a XC70 years later.

I didn't want to stop I could've made it home. Was only like 2 hours more. I had made it past the worst part. Was ahead of the storm, but they literally had state police pushing you off the highways . No biggie hotel room and nearest bar. Thankfully I spent a good deal of time in the Scranton area and knew the terrain so to speak

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[plugboots]

All road ain’t Torsen

[54-46]

My new whip. 99 e320 4matic. A couple ticks over 200k. It came with every receipt since it was purchased new. That is a rocket box that LeroyJenkins gave me years ago. I know its high mileage but my ace in the hole is my good friend/coworker who is factory trained Mercrdes mechanic. Ordered $300 in parts between rockauto and rmeuropean and have a saturday in his garage to bring it to full creampuff status. Has a bit of finder and bumper rash that my lowrider club buddies from work are going to straighten out. I think the wheels and snowtires from my TDi will fit it.

Not bad for $1000 off of ksl.com...

There's another MB 320 4Matic wagon for sale down the street. Anyone envious of TheFugitive's new whip? Lemme know and I'll get the info for you

[4matic]

Who puts wheel weights on the outside of a Benz alloy wheel?

[ColMan]

Funny I asked my Saab guy when to give up. His response was never. Lol. She's been costing me a bit lately but he's been really good on charges and she's still strong


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Nice! My wife has the same wagon but in black. Just hit 62k. Only complaint is the turbo lag. But once it spools up it really pulls. Have a great mechanic nearby and plan to keep it for at least another 10 years.

[BmillsSkier]

Who puts wheel weights on the outside of a Benz alloy wheel?

Same kind of assholes that insisted that our Volvo was German when I had them do it’s annual emissions check.

Savages.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

I've driven no problem on unplowed roads in NJ last winter. 8-10" with deeper drifts. 2012 A4 Avant. py all season tires. Car plowed through no problem.

With that said I may be selling it asap!

[Skidog]

Nice! My wife has the same wagon but in black. Just hit 62k. Only complaint is the turbo lag. But once it spools up it really pulls. Have a great mechanic nearby and plan to keep it for at least another 10 years.

140k on mine and trust me the turbo lag in Saabs is much better than Audi or subbie imho. Most forums non Saab turbo owners are jealous.

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[Whiteroom_Guardian]

So, how many of you have towed trailers with your wagons? Thinking if I don't sell my car (2012 Avant) before I head west and get a truck I will need to use it to tow.

I can tow a 4x8 or 5x8 uhaul trailer with mine according to the uhaul website. NJ to MT for $305. How much is my car going to hate that?

[GimpToo]

140k on mine and trust me the turbo lag in Saabs is much better than Audi or subbie imho. Most forums non Saab turbo owners are jealous.

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Had to turn in the Saab - bummed - never had a turbo issue, but a draining battery sent us packing - 2007 9-5 2.3 Sportcombi!! Volvo owners now!