the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

[Timberridge]

It was only one guy.

Just to clarify, was the PT molded in another boot and you're swapping it into this boot?

[XXX-er]

Got my beast boots in the mail - I bought Khions to replace the Vulcans I had in hopes that I'd have a little more room in the toe box. That seems to be true, so far!

I have two liners I'm playing with - Intuition Pro-Tour and Stock Beast liner. Both fit okay. I like the PT better (it has been molded) as it seems to take up more volume than the Stock Beast liner. However, with the PT, I get a pretty solid pressure right here:

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I'm sure that it has to do with the thickness of the PT tongue. What's the fix? Shave foam from the tongue? The stock liner doesn't seem to have as thick of foam in that area, so I'm guessing that's the solution. Anybody have any experience shaving foam from an Intuition tongue?

Seth

To clarify - the area in the picture is the area the arrow is pointing toward. I got that image from the Interwebz, so pay no attention to the discolored section of the foot.

that looks like my foot with the high arch, IME the intuition PW liners (I have 4) all work great, all the
intuition liners and/or any ski boot liner with a tongue hurt

[NWskibum]

It was only one guy.

My post was on the last page, and it was two guys. Thanks though!

Seth, I think you had a larger BSL than I do but I have a pair of 26.5 pw's if you want to throw them in the boot and see if it's an improvement.

[sethschmautz]

Thanks for the advice guys. The PTs were molded in Vulcans, not in these Beasts (wow, I kind of like the sound of that).

I'll try the point molding suggestion with heat gun.

I'm in 28s, but thanks a ton for the offer.

I have a pair of 29 PWs in a pair of scarpa tele boots I could try...

Bootfitters? Duie at Great Northern cycles in Whitefish is the only one I know of. And then there's Dave (mntlion) in Banff. I didn't feel like Duie had much of an idea about what to do with touring boots...

Seth

[Timberridge]

Thanks for the advice guys. The PTs were molded in Vulcans, not in these Beasts (wow, I kind of like the sound of that).

Then try molding them in the new boots. In my experience if you pull the intuitions out of one boot and place them in another and expect the same fit, you're not going to get it.

[Iowagriz]

NWskibum - no personal experience, but I hear that Dewey at Great Northern Cycle and Ski in Whitefish is one of the best out there.

[Iowagriz]

Need opinions on if I should keep these boots. Situation....living in Iowa, no good shops to get fit at, but I was in the biz many, many years ago and am comfortable getting close with my knowledge. Shell fit was slightly over 1 finger, but not 2 fingers.

Old boots are Technica TNT Icons - fit great, just a bitch to get on and very cold

Ordered Lange RS110s online, have a few days yet to return if needed. Similar to sethschmautz, my left foot has a pain at the same point as his picture. Right boot fits fine, very tight, will work fine when finally molded/skied into shape.

Left arch has a problem pop up in the past year, Morton's Neuroma or ganglion cyst. Not sure if this is somehow creating the pinch point at the top of the foot. I slipped my old Technica on to compare, no pinch point.

Question: do I keep the Lange boots and work them in? Seems like a decently easy fix to ease the pain on top of the foot. WWMD?

[mntlion]

how to the new lange shells feel, with the old TNT liner? if that feels good, keep them (as the new liner will pack out to fit) if that feels shitting, return em

http://blizzardskioutlet.com/ if you like technica? (prices are in CND funds)

[Iowagriz]

how to the new lange shells feel, with the old TNT liner? if that feels good, keep them (as the new liner will pack out to fit) if that feels shitting, return em

http://blizzardskioutlet.com/ if you like technica? (prices are in CND funds)

That is an option, but those Technica liners are so damn cold!

[mntlion]

That is an option, but those Technica liners are so damn cold!

no worse then any other race boot. (IE they are ALL cold)

[mtskibum16]

I've been playing with my boots and liners the last few days trying to diagnose some problems before trying to find a good fitter (all will be 1+ hr drive). I got fit for new boots a few years ago at EVO in Seattle. I wanted a performance fit and ended up with Salomon Ghost 120 CS in 26.5 (98 mm last). My foot measures about 26.5 and 100-101 wide. I have about 1.5 fingers of length in the boot. I have low weak arches and my feet pronate quite a bit. I was sold heat molded footbeds when I got the boots.

Up until a couple days ago my biggest problem with them was a REALLY tight toe box that was uncomfortable and would lead to very cold/numb toes. I was planning to do intuitions just to get more warmth. The other day while messing with the boots, I realized they felt just as bad with just the liners on, and that the shell didn't seem poor fitting to my bare foot. So I made a toe cap and heated to toe area of the liner and stretched out the toe box of the liner. This made a huge improvement and I'm wondering if it will help with warmth too (I have yet to ski them).

Next problem...ankle and navicular soreness. Back to my weak arches, I found the footbeds from my old boots that were a higher stiffer arch and tried them in my boots. It does keep my foot from pronating and reduces my ankle/navicular rubbing, but I almost instantly started getting cramps on my outer shin muscle. After looking closer the footbeds were causing my knee/boots to track way out of line (making me bow legged). Pull the footbeds and my knee tracks perfectly over the middle of my foot, but the ankle bang is back. I also noted the cuff of my boots was away off from how my leg tracked with my leg touching the inside of the cuff while standing in them with no footbeds. I adjusted the "canting" of the cuff and this helped. The footbeds line me up better with the cuff but then my knees aren't aligned. So I'm wondering if I'd be best off with my lower natural arc footbeds and just getting my ankle and navicular areas punched out.

After some shell work should I just be looking at some intuitions with no footbed? I need to figure out which intuitions would be best. Does it sound like i need some canting in the footbed? I'm hoping the cuff canting adjustments and liner toe box stretch will help with overall comfort. I also get some pretty bad shin bang in these, but I'm not really sure what causes that. I'm hoping the lower leg and foot cramps will be better with the adjusted cuff angle.

[mntlion]

start with what ever footbed you like/find comfortable. (from an arch support standpoint) A footbed can move/correct you by adding more stuff under the arch, OR by adding a wedge on the inside of the heel and this moves the bone structure around. Either/both can be used, but see what feels best on your foot.

Then play with the side bolts on the boots (what are labled canting, but are actually upper cuff alightment) so that your leg tracks eveny on both sides of the shell

A foot bed is a corrective tool, (it moves you) and the upper cuff is accommodating tool (it moves to the shape that you are)



liners: get this all sorted out first, then call intuition and ask them what liner to buy

you CAN use intuitions without footbeds, if that is what feels best, but I think you might need footbeds as well, so make sure you have room for both.

[mtskibum16]

I'm a total boot fit jong, but I've been watching a bunch of the Patriot Footbeds "Bootorials" on YouTube just for more general understanding. It's amazing how much goes in to it. For the footbed, where I"m a bit stumped is my over pronation does tend to make my ankle sore (even just hiking, etc) and I could probably use some more arch support. But when I go to a bigger arch support and bend my knees (as in ski boots) my knees track wide and do not line up with my feet...like a plumb bob would miss my feet entirely (to the outside). So I think my natural arch molded footbed is the best bet, but I would obviously ask the fitter.

With those foot beds, I can't adjust the cuff alignment enough to get even spacing on both sides. They angle out way more than my legs do. My legs are pretty much straight up, but the boots angle out even when adjusted all the way in. I think one of the bootorials mentioned most guys (and boots as a result) are slightly bowlegged so maybe that's my problem.

Thanks for the help.

[auvgeek]

What's your home mountain?

[mtskibum16]

What's your home mountain?

Probably Crystal I'd say. Which is kind of where I'm planning to get my fitting done.

[flyman683]

Here's a wierd one... Most of the times my boots are dialed (freedom sl, instaprints, bunch of punches, grinds, etc...). Work and fittings done by good fitter & I usually know what I need/is going on at this point.

However, maybe 20% of the time, typically in the first run or soon thereafter I end up with bad burning right behind ball of foot. I can usually fix by grimacing down to bottom, taking boot off for a bit and resetting, but not 100%. The fact that it's variable is maddening.

Definitely not due to sock thickness changes or anything like that. Any guesses?

[mntlion]

Here's a wierd one... Most of the times my boots are dialed (freedom sl, instaprints, bunch of punches, grinds, etc...). Work and fittings done by good fitter & I usually know what I need/is going on at this point.

However, maybe 20% of the time, typically in the first run or soon thereafter I end up with bad burning right behind ball of foot. I can usually fix by grimacing down to bottom, taking boot off for a bit and resetting, but not 100%. The fact that it's variable is maddening.

Definitely not due to sock thickness changes or anything like that. Any guesses?

foot muscles not warmed up?

footbed sliding around a bit and not in the correct place?

tight calf muscles?

[auvgeek]

Probably Crystal I'd say. Which is kind of where I'm planning to get my fitting done.

Just go to Martin and do whatever he recommends.

[alpinevibes]

Been meaning to throw this question out here for a while:

I get very intense pain in my Peroneus longus or brevis after a big day of skiing/attempting to charge.



I skied hard bell to bell yesterday; today after my first or second run it felt like someone had bashed the sides of my upper ankles with hammers. This has been an issue for years; takes a few days to mellow out. I've been in RX130's for four seasons; power strap, keep them pretty cranked down when I ski. Stock liner has ~200 days, but I've had the pain from early on.

Anybody have experience with this?

[auvgeek]

I sometimes have a ton of pain in that region, too.

It went away with different liners and strengthening my legs. Started up a few season ago after skiing much more than usual, and it has been less of an issue with stronger legs so I'm thinking it's probably some sort of overuse/tendonitis thing. YMMV.

[flyman683]

foot muscles not warmed up?

footbed sliding around a bit and not in the correct place?

tight calf muscles?

Considered the footbed sliding item, and so has fitter. We're at "maybe, I guess?" the instaprints are quite a few years old but fit in the boot quite well, so he's been reluctant to sell me another set in case that's not it.

Foot muscles or calves, are possible I suppose. Never thought calves would link to midfoot pain. Foot muscles are possible since my feet are a mess, and have had various midfoot sprains, broken stuff, etc over years?

[mntlion]

Been meaning to throw this question out here for a while:

I get very intense pain in my Peroneus longus or brevis after a big day of skiing/attempting to charge.



I skied hard bell to bell yesterday; today after my first or second run it felt like someone had bashed the sides of my upper ankles with hammers. This has been an issue for years; takes a few days to mellow out. I've been in RX130's for four seasons; power strap, keep them pretty cranked down when I ski. Stock liner has ~200 days, but I've had the pain from early on.

Anybody have experience with this?

skinny shins that are banging around in the boot (impact and bruising)

feet moving around in the boots (so calf strain from trying to stabilize them)

[mtskibum16]

Just go to Martin and do whatever he recommends.

Yeah good advice. I just wanting to try some things first. I'll have a number of days in MT over Christmas before being at Crystal next. I also hate paying for a day of skiing to go sit in a boot shop. Most of my days are storm chasing.

[alpinevibes]

skinny shins that are banging around in the boot (impact and bruising)

feet moving around in the boots (so calf strain from trying to stabilize them)

Yeah, I've got big calves, but my ankles and shins taper down a lot. I took my zerog 108's out today and got rocked. No control because my ankles are in so much pain.

I got some Dreamliners; hoping the extra fill on those will mold better and cushion it a bit. I could also get my ass out of the backseat a little more!

[The SnowShow]

Thinking my liners are packed out...what intuition liner works best with Lange RX 130s and is similar in stiffness to a stock liner?