the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

[Cocximus]

Oh that's a bolt? I'll see about loosening it. It would be great.

[mntlion]

Oh that's a bolt? I'll see about loosening it. It would be great.

grind it out, replace with a bolt/Tnut

[1000-oaks]

Vicious toe bang whenever knocked into the backseat, losing a toenail and smashing others, and this thread inspired me to step up a size this year for a 1.5 finger / 18mm fit. Hated to do it, we'll see how it goes.

Was a 2016 25.5 Cochise 130, now a 2017 26.5 Cochise 120. No way I could have skinned in the 25.5 with the buckles loose.

[stuckathuntermtn]

BSL changed with the new mold, so that should help a lot of people.

[optics]

Question for Dalbello experts:

I went from KR2 pro to lupo this season, mainly just for the soles and walk mode.

Same shell/bsl and my understanding is that it's the same mold.

I moved over the parts from my pro's that had been mod'd (liner/boot board/insoles). my fit in the pro's was awesome - pretty much perfect.

In the lupos (supposed to be identical shell), there is a huge decrease in volume through the instep/forefoot. Even with instep buckle open, circulation's gone in minutes. I did two runs on them like that yesterday, went in and pulled them off and my toes were totally numb.

Ended up pulling out my footbeds to finish out the day, which resolved the volume/circulation issue but obviously doesn't work longer term.

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The only thing I can figure is that maybe the bottom portion of the shell is thicker on the lupos, to enable the fittings for the swappable soles, and maybe that is moving the whole liner/footbed assembly UP in the shell?

And wondering if shaving 1/4" off the bottom of the bootboard would help...just lower the whole thing down a little.

(yes, I can go to a fitter but moved recently and haven't found anyone I trust...plus every aspect of the fit was dialed before the swap, and still aside from this volume issue - so hoping there is some simple mechanical fix like this...)

thanks doods

[gregL]

And wondering if shaving 1/4" off the bottom of the bootboard would help...just lower the whole thing down a little.

(yes, I can go to a fitter but moved recently and haven't found anyone I trust...plus every aspect of the fit was dialed before the swap, and still aside from this volume issue - so hoping there is some simple mechanical fix like this...)

1/4" would be a huge increase in volume, it would likely only take 2-3 mm. But try your KR2 liners in the Lupos before you jump to conclusions.

[optics]

Thanks - the liners I'm using in the lupos are from the kr2s.

[mntlion]

what he said.

new liners will take some time to packout, so try the OLD liners, in the NEW shells, before you use ANY tools

if its the liners, suck it up and ski for 5-10 days, or get a heat molding done.

if its the shells, gring the boot boards by 2ish mm to start

[optics]

I'm using the old liners.

Thanks - will try that and see if it helps.

[Cocximus]

How much can my big toe and second toe be blown out? I took them to a shop and they said its too close to the binding.

[mntlion]

I would go a few more mm on a punch

ALSO)

1) supportive footbed
2) is your heel all the way down and back in the boot
3) thinner sock
4) grind the shell as well.

[Cocximus]

I have the red insoles. I got custom insoles for my work boots and they really are way better. I should get a pair for these boots.
My heel is back. The shells are a stupid tight fit. About 1-2mm. Upsizing or any other boot is too loose in the heel. I survived a whole season in them, but I wouldn't mind a bit more space.
Maybe I'll just dedicate them to tech bindings. That way they can be punched plenty.

[mntlion]

get them punched so you can fit into them, and then see after if the non-tech bindings are effected. It MIGHT matter, but it might not.

also stretching the liner, in that one spot (even cutting the liner seam, on the 1&2 toe might help with an extra mm)

[neufox47]

get them punched so you can fit into them, and then see after if the non-tech bindings are effected. It MIGHT matter, but it might not.

also stretching the liner, in that one spot (even cutting the liner seam, on the 1&2 toe might help with an extra mm)

If the toe box was touching the binding, it would add friction increasing force necessary to release for any sideways toe releases, right? Would this also screw up some other aspect of how the binding releases? Forward pressure? Cause the toe to not seat properly?

I have a pair od maestrales that i need lengthened.

[mntlion]

If the toe box was touching the binding, it would add friction increasing force necessary to release for any sideways toe releases, right? Would this also screw up some other aspect of how the binding releases? Forward pressure? Cause the toe to not seat properly?

I have a pair od maestrales that i need lengthened.

maybe, you would have to see what your exact binding/boot combo looked like. This is also assuming your binding and boot released correctly in the first place, and that you are running recommended DIN as well.

[Cocximus]

On this style of toes it probably matters. I can't see it affect fks 18/15 toes.

[NWskibum]

I'm done trying to squeeze my feet into a 97/98 last boot. Would appreciate any suggestions to point me in the right direction for a ~102 last, 120/130 flex boot that has somewhat lower volume throughout the rest of the boot.

[mntlion]

I'm done trying to squeeze my feet into a 97/98 last boot. Would appreciate any suggestions to point me in the right direction for a ~102 last, 120/130 flex boot that has somewhat lower volume throughout the rest of the boot.

maybe start with a 100mm and see?

98 vs 102 is a BIG jump in volume

[NWskibum]

I already tried a pair of Scarpa Freedoms which I believe are 101 or so and am having the same issues.

Maybe just need to look into punching out the boots I have. I've always tried to make something work right out of the box but at this point I'm willing to put in the $$$ if I don't have any better options.

[mntlion]

yes, if you have not had work done to ANY boot, odds are that can help fix it.

[gregL]

How much can my big toe and second toe be blown out? I took them to a shop and they said its too close to the binding.

That photo (shot from above) doesn't tell the whole story. The Tyrolia toe unit is quite low, and you can probably get 5-6mm extra by punching the toe high (above the level of the binding) without hitting it. That Khion Pebax is fairly tough to punch in a wider, 2-toe pattern, though.

[gregL]

I'm done trying to squeeze my feet into a 97/98 last boot. Would appreciate any suggestions to point me in the right direction for a ~102 last, 120/130 flex boot that has somewhat lower volume throughout the rest of the boot.

Probably the best 102mm last that maintains a reasonably snug ankle/heel pocket is the Lange SX/XC, but you'll never get as good a fit as going with a narrower boot and punching the forefoot to the required width. My foot is 103-104mm wide and almost every boot I own is 97-98mm.

[sethschmautz]

Got my beast boots in the mail - I bought Khions to replace the Vulcans I had in hopes that I'd have a little more room in the toe box. That seems to be true, so far!

I have two liners I'm playing with - Intuition Pro-Tour and Stock Beast liner. Both fit okay. I like the PT better (it has been molded) as it seems to take up more volume than the Stock Beast liner. However, with the PT, I get a pretty solid pressure right here:



I'm sure that it has to do with the thickness of the PT tongue. What's the fix? Shave foam from the tongue? The stock liner doesn't seem to have as thick of foam in that area, so I'm guessing that's the solution. Anybody have any experience shaving foam from an Intuition tongue?

Seth

To clarify - the area in the picture is the area the arrow is pointing toward. I got that image from the Interwebz, so pay no attention to the discolored section of the foot.

[mntlion]

I would spot heat that area of the liner/tounge (the area that the arrow is pointing to) put some 3-5mm padding on your foot, in that area, and once the liner is a bit too hot to touch (molding temp) put the boot on, and buckle the SHIT out of it (yes, WAY tighter then you ever would ski it, like MAX the buckles out), wait 10 min, pour and drink a nice beer, and then remove.

Remove the padding from your foot, and once you have feeling back into your foot, try it on again. do this BEFORE you cut material out.

[NWskibum]

Thanks for the tips guys. Now...

Bootfitter rec's near Kalispell/Whitefish? Seth, any ideas?