Running, Anyone...?

**nutmegchoi** · 09-22-2016, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by OldLarry

Think I have run here before- this is to looker's right of the coast guard station if you are facing the lake, no?

That was by Palais Royale?
I stayed few blocks away and took a morning stroll.

**OldLarry** · 09-26-2016, 04:20 PM

Just west of billy bishop airport by a few blocks

**bodywhomper** · 09-26-2016, 05:27 PM

is this right thread to ask shoe questions?

my feet and body have been happy wearing very light "barefoot" shoes by vivobarefoot. i basically wear their trail shoes for everything, including running. unfortunately, their uppers always have mesh and the uppers get trashed before anything else in the shoe wears out. i want something lowtop, leather upper, similar fit as the vivobarefoot, 0 (or near 0) rise, rock plate, dirt-oriented sole. i have a difficult foot to fit, ime; narrow heal with wide and "thin" forefoot. anybody have suggestions of starting points? i went through a shit-ton of trial-and-error about four years ago. tia.

**hutash** · 09-26-2016, 05:58 PM

One of my favorite runs. No dunes or beds in wheel chairs, but certain times of the year I have to leave the beach for a couple hundred years to avoid harbor seals. There also a great Microbrewery at the mid point of the run.

**Dantheman** · 09-27-2016, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

i want something lowtop, leather upper, similar fit as the vivobarefoot, 0 (or near 0) rise, rock plate, dirt-oriented sole.

This is my unicorn too. I have a somewhat similar foot shape, but with a high instep though. Please post if you find anything.

**Cruiser** · 10-07-2016, 03:24 PM

Got an out freaking standing 1hr run in around lunchtime today. God I love fall here! Perfectly blue skies, temp in the low 60's with <20% humidity and light breezes.

**stapes** · 10-07-2016, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cruiser

Got an out freaking standing 1hr run in around lunchtime today. God I love fall here! Perfectly blue skies, temp in the low 60's with <20% humidity and light breezes.

Same! And boy did I need it. Extremely foggy morning cleared to bluebird and freshly dusted peaks. Felt like I could've went all day had I not needed to return to the office :-(

Almost beer thirty. Feels better when I earned it too.

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 10-07-2016, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

is this right thread to ask shoe questions?

my feet and body have been happy wearing very light "barefoot" shoes by vivobarefoot. i basically wear their trail shoes for everything, including running. unfortunately, their uppers always have mesh and the uppers get trashed before anything else in the shoe wears out. i want something lowtop, leather upper, similar fit as the vivobarefoot, 0 (or near 0) rise, rock plate, dirt-oriented sole. i have a difficult foot to fit, ime; narrow heal with wide and "thin" forefoot. anybody have suggestions of starting points? i went through a shit-ton of trial-and-error about four years ago. tia.

Have you tried Altra? I don't know about leather upper (does that shit even exist anymore?), but they tend to have a very wide forefoot and zero drop:
https://www.altrarunning.com/men/superior20

**klauss** · 10-07-2016, 11:21 PM

Anyone developed piriformis syndrome and successfully put it to bed. I am 5 weeks out from my last run and still know better than to run again.

I am stretching strengthening etc.

**bagtagley** · 10-09-2016, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

This is my unicorn too. I have a somewhat similar foot shape, but with a high instep though. Please post if you find anything.

I think they quit making them, but I haven't found a better shoe than the Inov8 Trailrocs. The 235 is my favorite trail shoe ever, but my feet get sore in them on long, rocky runs, so I've been running in the 245s. The toe box is a little tight for my tastes, but they stretch out. I didn't like the fit of the Vivobarefoots I had, FWIW.

**Dantheman** · 10-09-2016, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Have you tried Altra? I don't know about leather upper (does that shit even exist anymore?), but they tend to have a very wide forefoot and zero drop:
https://www.altrarunning.com/men/superior20

I tried the gen2 Lone Peak. I liked them, but they fell apart unacceptably fast. Maybe the new ones are better, but I'm hesitant to buy another pair.

Originally Posted by bagtagley

I think they quit making them, but I haven't found a better shoe than the Inov8 Trailrocs. The 235 is my favorite trail shoe ever, but my feet get sore in them on long, rocky runs, so I've been running in the 245s. The toe box is a little tight for my tastes, but they stretch out. I didn't like the fit of the Vivobarefoots I had, FWIW.

The width of the Inov8s worries me. I'm a full E+ width and have neuroma issues.

Perusing REI's website just now the Topo Athletic Runventure looks promising.

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 10-09-2016, 10:10 AM

I've had issues with innov-8 uppers developing holes quickly. Not enough to make the shoes unusable, but annoying. I agree that they stretch in the toe area fairly quickly.

I have wide feet and I keep coming back to Saucony. Kinvaras for road. Peregrines and Xodus for trail. Never had an upper fail before the soles were completely trashed. They all have pretty much the same last, but the materials and construction differences make some feel roomier than others. It's worth checking reviews for changes from version to version in terms of toe room as all three shoes have been around for years. I generally buy 10 in Saucony and 9.5 (or even 9) in other brands.

Compared to Vivo or Altra they aren't nearly as wide. But the quality is much better.

**2bjenny** · 10-09-2016, 02:50 PM

I was running in Saucony peregrines this summer. Really liked them until the uppers tore before the soles were shot. I run on a mix of rocky, two track range roads and trails over lava and sage brush. I liked the innov-8s as well, but they too fell apart faster than they should have and I'm not a high mileage runner.

Right now I am running in the La Sportiva Akasha. So far so good, but doesn't quite feel as nice as the peregrine did. Oh well, the quest continues.

**shroom** · 10-09-2016, 03:26 PM

saucony omni series for life here. I took a few into the 2-3k mileage range when I was really getting after it.

**OldLarry** · 10-09-2016, 04:10 PM

12 in the rain today- felt good. 2-3 thousand mile in a pair of shoes? I feel like one running in loafers after 300 miles or so-

**shroom** · 10-09-2016, 04:39 PM

i was pretty broke in my college years

**runethechamp** · 10-10-2016, 09:46 PM

Had a good summer running and set a nice PR in the Half, and an old man PR in the 5k. Took a little while off the hard training program and did a bunch of hills and a couple smaller fun races, including my first ever Super Sprint Triathlon (after 2 days of panic swim training). Now getting back into a program for a race in November but keeping the hills in it for the long runs to develop leg strength, and logged a 14+ mile run where the top was 1500 feet up from my starting point yesterday. Legs feel beat up today but it was well worth it.

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**bodywhomper** · 10-11-2016, 12:49 AM

That trail looks like "site o". I used to ride that trail. Definitely a steep run!

**OldLarry** · 10-17-2016, 07:23 AM

Last 20 before NYC this past Saturday. Felt great-

**GeezerSteve** · 10-17-2016, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by OldLarry

Last 20 before NYC this past Saturday. Felt great-

Nice when that happens. Enjoy your taper and best o' luck on race day.

**Cruiser** · 10-17-2016, 10:59 AM

Giddyup!

**nutmegchoi** · 11-04-2016, 09:11 AM

Anybody running New York City Marathon this year??!!
It's marathon weekend!
I'm so excited!! >.<

I won't be running this year, but I'll be volunteering!

**GeezerSteve** · 11-04-2016, 09:17 AM

Old Larry is running NYC Marathon. Scroll up.

Interesting item re predicting race times from 538: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...un-a-marathon/

**nutmegchoi** · 11-04-2016, 09:27 AM

My goal was just to finish! lol

Actually, my goals were to never stop, never walk and enjoy every mile.
I did that til mile 23 and all hell broke out in front of Mt. Sinai Hospital.
That slow up hill on 5th Ave. took everything out of me.
Last 3 miles I couldn't enjoy anything.
I just wanted it to end.
So, that's another good reason to do it all over again!

Old Larry!
What is your bib number??!!
Let me track you and maybe pop in here and there to cheer!!

**hutash** · 11-04-2016, 10:30 AM

I don't think it is possible to enjoy every mile. I have not full a full, but have done halfs, and no matter how I train, the last two miles are always about just getting it over with.

That said, I have never found the "runners high" so many talk about. Maybe if I where endorphined out of my mind it might be fun.