Police Behaving Badly

[My Pet Powder Goat]

I called itlast year in the Ferguson thread... If you want to see a double standard watch a black guy try to legally carry a gun and see what happens.

This one is really bad; no resisting arrest, no criminal record, legal permit to carry, tells the cop he's carrying a permitted firearm, who then plugs the guy 4 times in front of his daughter and mother in the car.

Why are these incidents in the summer, is the heat too much for cops?

[jgb@etree]

There is going to be some ugly fallout from this one.

Yeah, Philando Castile was murdered from what I can see. Guy got pulled over for a taillight out. Officer asked for ID, guy said OK but advised the cop that he was a permit holder and was carrying. Then the cop unloaded on him when he went for his ID. If the cop were that concerned he should have told him to put his hands on the wheel and asked for the location of his ID and the cop should have gone for it himself.

[stompinlines]

The dude was swiss cheesed with his seatbelt on.

[Bobby Stainless]

That is some straight bullshit.

I've had that exact situation happen multiple times. Once while my car smelled like a big nugget.

Glad the cops that I have dealt with, weren't shaky ass white boys.

[jono]

That is some straight bullshit.

I've had that exact situation happen multiple times. Once while my car smelled like a big nugget.

Glad the cops that I have dealt with, weren't shaky ass white boys.

What exactly is the commonality between your situation and that one? The taillight?

[hatchgreenchile]

Right in front of his kid too, devastating.
What's the SOP for officers when questioning folks with visible or concealed weapons anyway? Is there a national standard, or is determined by the local force?

[old goat]

The only one to stop a good guy with a gun is a cop with a gun.

[digitaldeath]

amazing contrast in behavior from the aggressor and the victim

[Bobby Stainless]

What exactly is the commonality between your situation and that one? The taillight?

That's the point Einstein, I am white, and have been pulled over multiple times and said I had a gun.

Still here.

[Bromontana]

Right in front of his kid too, devastating.
What's the SOP for officers when questioning folks with visible or concealed weapons anyway? Is there a national standard, or is determined by the local force?

If you're black they scream at you, shoot you, then say "FUCK" really loud on video.

At least, that's SOP this week in Baton Rouge & MSP.

[jono]

That's the point Einstein, I am white, and have been pulled over multiple times and said I had a gun.

Still here.

Huh. And you are thankful you weren't pulled over by "shaky ass white boys" because...the white boys who pulled you over were calmed by your skin tone and the nugget smell? Just trying to keep up. Carry on.

[jgb@etree]

If you're black they scream at you, shoot you, then say "FUCK" really loud on video.

At least, that's SOP this week in Baton Rouge & MSP.

HUGE difference between what went down in Baton Rouge & MN.

In MN, an innocent man was shot to death by police....for following the law and complying with the officer's commands.

In LA, a felon with 18 convictions - including a felony that required him to register as a sex offender - which made it illegal for him to even posses a firearm was confronted after his description was given to a 911 operator and the caller informed the 911 operator that he was waving a gun around in the parking lot. Police respond to MWAG complaint, locate the person described in the 911 call & confront him. Suspect resists arrest and while 2 cops are trying to get him under control, 1 cop feels the gun and yells "GUN!". The other cop put his pistol in the suspects chest and tells him that he'll shoot him if he moves. The second video then shows the suspect reaching for his right pants pocket, and the cop shoots him. Seconds later, the video clearly shows the 2nd officer removing the illegal pistol from said felon's right pants pocket. I'm white as a sheet, but would fully expect to be shot were I in the same situation and behaving in the same way.

[jono]

amazing contrast in behavior from the aggressor and the victim

Truly. Interested to see how a jury feels about that contrast.

[Bobby Stainless]

No you're just an idiot.

Neither were white.

[jono]

No you're just an idiot.

Neither were white.

That is confusing. I think maybe it was the phrase "exact situation" that had me thinking you'd have at least something in common. Maybe I should assume you're smarter and read everything as irony? You meant "exact opposite situation" then?

[Bobby Stainless]

The exact situation, is getting pulled over and telling the officer you have a permit and handgun. One situation I got a speeding ticket and the officer never asked to see my gun, the other was a bit more in depth, but ended with the officer giving me my gun back and letting me go.

I'm not black, so I could not replicate the situation down to skin color. Jackass.

[jono]

Oh thanks, that clears it up for me. Nice that you had all the answers.

[digitaldeath]

institutionalized racism cannot not be measured

[Bromontana]

HUGE difference between what went down in Baton Rouge & MN.

In MN, an innocent man was shot to death by police....for following the law and complying with the officer's commands.

In LA, a felon with 18 convictions - including a felony that required him to register as a sex offender - which made it illegal for him to even posses a firearm was confronted after his description was given to a 911 operator and the caller informed the 911 operator that he was waving a gun around in the parking lot. Police respond to MWAG complaint, locate the person described in the 911 call & confront him. Suspect resists arrest and while 2 cops are trying to get him under control, 1 cop feels the gun and yells "GUN!". The other cop put his pistol in the suspects chest and tells him that he'll shoot him if he moves. The second video then shows the suspect reaching for his right pants pocket, and the cop shoots him. Seconds later, the video clearly shows the 2nd officer removing the illegal pistol from said felon's right pants pocket. I'm white as a sheet, but would fully expect to be shot were I in the same situation and behaving in the same way.

The sad thing is you'll rationalize away everything that doesn't find its way to your own stoop. Most people do.

And that's why you deserve to feel pain. You contribute to the misery of others with your indifference and lack of intellectual integrity/capacity.

[1080Rider]

Yeah, the Mini shooting is bad all the way around. I think that officer is going to see how the other side lives. If this guy tells you he's carrying, then he's not going to shoot you, jesus. This is one of the worst, by far!

I'm troubled by the baron rouge shooting as well after seeing the video's. Why didn't they order him down so they could secure him, and just because the "feel" the gun in his pocket doesn't mean its a threat. You can't just shoot people because they have a gun, whether a police officer or a private citizen, there needs to be a threat, not the fear of a threat...

[1080Rider]

The sad thing is you'll rationalize away everything that doesn't find its way to your own stoop. Most people do.

And that's why you deserve to feel pain. You contribute to the misery of others with your indifference and lack of intellectual integrity.

Seriously, get off your high-horse. This place is a liberal circle jerk, this is not a reasonable representation of what people in america actually believe. A majority of people don't see the world the way you do.

[digitaldeath]

who fears death?

how irrational to fear the unknown

[jono]

institutionalized racism cannot not be measured

From a practical and current standpoint there is a related problem: every time someone says "black lives matter" the implied message that "white lives are safe" comes with it. That changes the weight of this conversation for white people. Every effort to approach the race side of this brings with it the unintended consequence of reinforcing the feeling of distance for a lot of people and that doesn't help.

[digitaldeath]

http://www.citypages.com/news/protes...police-8415357

[Meathelmet]

Been following this thread and have been pondering (as a eurogeezer), what kind of training/school does one have to have to be qualified as a "police officer" in the states?
There are apparently a lot of different entities, the federal authorities being one and the state/county/municipal authorities as well?Like, does the local small town sheriff go through the same training (and his/her deputies) as some NYPD brethen of federal Marshals?

Caused some mild fizz in my brain as some US guy told that he had acted as an deputy for few months in a small town after a 2 week course.. Initially I thought he was some kind of a mall cop armed with a dildo and a doughnut, but apparently he was wielding blue steel.
Feels a bit weird as around here (scandi) the police have very standardized 3 or 3+1 year higher education (college) to be an officer.
Not taking a piss on the US system, but have there been any kind of discussion of...well..unfucking the situation?
Or is there some Government -> State -> County fuckshit going on that prohibits any kind of improvement?

Genuinely curious.