Breaking Bad

**lionelhutz** · 09-30-2013, 03:26 AM

Well let's see, he did end up the proud owner of an M-60. That's prob. not cheap.

**Vt-Freeheel** · 09-30-2013, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Where the fuck did all of that money come from? He left the bar with a large shoebox of cash, and suddenly an entire stack is on the table?

Come on, you're smarter than that. After calling the feds Walt left the bar, stole a car and returned to the cabin where he retrieved the barrel of cash. The feds traced the call to the bar and it would take awhile to find the cabin.

Nice to see Todd choked out.

**Jer** · 09-30-2013, 05:43 AM

C'mon - you know Benny's not smarter than that.

Benny - have your nurse explains to you the difference between a bar with a Fed traced land line and a secret safe-house 8 miles away at the end of an unplowed road.

The Return Of Walter White. He put Hiesenberg's fucked up world about as right as he could. Loved the return of Skinny Pete and Badger as well as Lydia dosing herself with ricin. Could have done without the No Country and Jakal Remake stuff, but that's pretty minor. Todd's ringtone rules.

**Benny Profane** · 09-30-2013, 07:05 AM

So he steals the car, therefore staying in the area a little while with probably a massive force of all form of cops trying to find him there (bitter cold and easily tracked footsteps in the snow, btw), drives back to the cabin, fills up the trunk with a barrel full of cash, drives all across the country in a stolen car with NH plates on it without getting caught?

Really?

The one character I wanted to die gets away in the end. Life isn't fair.

**Hott Butt Mud** · 09-30-2013, 07:06 AM

Someone please post what that ringtone song is....

**fantastic_damage** · 09-30-2013, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud

Someone please post what that ringtone song is....

Groucho Marx: Lydia the tattooed lady:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVBBxpt...%3DuVBBxptpSY8

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**stalefish3169** · 09-30-2013, 08:54 AM

Dylan's it's all over now baby blue would have been a good closing song too!

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**NoPostholio** · 09-30-2013, 08:59 AM

Solid enough finale - Badger and skinny Pete as the hired assassins made the episode for me, especially when preaching a higher moral code to WW - that was some funny shit. And Walts way of getting Lydia was classic as well.

**neckdeep** · 09-30-2013, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

So he steals the car, therefore staying in the area a little while with probably a massive force of all form of cops trying to find him there (bitter cold and easily tracked footsteps in the snow, btw), drives back to the cabin, fills up the trunk with a barrel full of cash, drives all across the country in a stolen car with NH plates on it without getting caught?

Really?

The one character I wanted to die gets away in the end. Life isn't fair.

I'd just say there's more to literature than literalism. Breaking Bad's writers/directors have often chosen to communicate their story at a symbolic level too. The protagonist had two personas and each needed to die to get to a resolution. I saw "Granite State" as the gradual death of Heisenberg, to the point where the internal rage burns out and he"vanishes" in the final scene. When everything important to Heisenberg was stripped away, only an exhausted Walt was left. The Walt that remains in the finale is almost like a ghost. He slips past cops repeatedly. You notice, he starts the ep by bargaining with a higher power. He can't get the stolen car wired and then he mumbles "Just get me home, just get me home and I'll do the rest." Then the keys are there in the visor (as if in response) and the camera angle is through the car roof, keys dropping from above as if they are falling to him as deliverance. I don't think he was talking to the car. Sure, there's a couple of deus ex machina moments in the last ep...or should I say deus ex machine gun.

If you want to get picky about shit, there's what Roger Ebert referred to as "the fallacy of the predictable tree". All the time, TV/films show a hero jumping out of a tree in the woods and landing on a villain. But how the fuck does the hero know the bad guy will walk under that particular tree? How does he know the bad guy wont look up and see him standing on the branch. After all, climbing a tree is actually a terrible strategy anyhow; "getting treed" means to get trapped. So how did Walt know he'd be in a final scenario where a robot mounted M60 would be effective at all, etc..?

**fantastic_damage** · 09-30-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by up an down

you are trying to force a fictional tv show to adhere to the complexities of reality.. why bother? why not just enjoy the great job by the writers and cast?

Words to watch by, sometimes I have difficulty suspending disbelief.
I could have hacked up the finale plausibility but you're absolutely right....just sit back and enjoy the great story and dont get too wrapped up with this.

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**DougW** · 09-30-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by stalefish3169

Solid. Fucking. Ending.

^^^ this

What about the last scene where Walt walks around the the lab and touches the equipment and smiles? Happy that his apprentice Jesse had learned from him and cooking in a clean lab? or just thinking of happy days gone by cooking in a big chemistry set.

**neckdeep** · 09-30-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by DougW

^^^ this

What about the last scene where Walt walks around the the lab and touches the equipment and smiles? Happy that his apprentice Jesse had learned from him and cooking in a clean lab? or just thinking of happy days gone by cooking in a big chemistry set.

Because that was what he chose...he chose to be a meth kingpin OVER the welfare of his family not BECAUSE of the welfare of his family. He admits that. To Skyler and himself. He was in control in the lab. The lab gave him power. He loved that lab and it destroyed him. As the life fades, we see Walt reflected in the big tank. The lab was a part of him. When he died, he was surrounded by the family he chose. As I said, Walt confessed but he also knew it was way too late to apologize.

**Benny Profane** · 09-30-2013, 10:41 AM

Well, yeah, I didn't even want to go near that swivel gun thing. Really?

**Dhelihiker** · 09-30-2013, 10:53 AM

They definitely forced some shit, understandably its TV show, but he would have never been able to see Skyler that easy, the ricin scene was pure bullshit, how how how, all they had to do was Let Walt contact her first and it would have all made sense.

I loved the fact that Walt finally realized that he just loved cooking. I wish he would have started a batch and just blew the whole fucking place.

The Future:

Skyler does 10 out of 20 years, out on good behavior. She discovers that she loves the touch of a woman.
Maria starts stealing shit again. An Asian liquor store owner smokes her ass.
Walt Jr. goes trustafarian and becomes a huge stoner.
Jessie raises the Mexican kid all by himself on Cinnabon Manager's wage. Saul gets him the job.
The pool becomes a skate park.

the cops get the 80 mil

BEST SHOW MADE EVA

**flatlander#2** · 09-30-2013, 11:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIHRgisdbeY

Marty Robbins.

**Marshall Tucker** · 09-30-2013, 12:09 PM

on the blue theme I would have gone with (the obvious) Dylan baby blue (or dead cover)

**Marshall Tucker** · 09-30-2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by DougW

the lab and touches the equipment and smiles?

"I liked it. And I was good at it."

The trunk full of cash at the desert gas station classic. "I gave $200k to the two finest hitmen west of the missisippi"

**Meadow Skipper** · 09-30-2013, 12:22 PM

The looks that passed between Walt and Jesse as Jesse was about to get into the car and split were straight out of a classic western. No words needed.

**Jer** · 09-30-2013, 12:38 PM

To be honest, immediately after viewing I was a little underwhelmed but the more I reflect on it the more I like it. Yes, there were scenes that defied reality, but unless you're a tard like Benny Shitstain you know that if the show were 100% realistic Walt would have been dead by the third episode.

Also really digging nd's analysis. The reflection in the tank is dead on. Nd - are you a professional? You should be getting paid for that stuff.

**Supermoon** · 09-30-2013, 12:42 PM

I thought the ending was predictable but pretty good. Wrapped up most of the loose ends pretty neatly (maybe a bit too neat IMO). The fact that he ultimately gets killed by his own gun I thought was about right.

**jtran10** · 09-30-2013, 12:43 PM

Loved the last episode. Trusted the writers to deliver, and they really did.

The only thing I had issue with was the keys being in the unlocked car, but then again it is rural New Hampshire so could definitely see that in places.

I love neckdeep's analysis too. Helps explain away minor flaws in seeing skyler easily, driving cross country in the stolen car, etc. I like it.

Great show. Breaking Bad and Lost are the only two shows that I've watched that I thought about outside of the time spent watching them. Pretty powerful stuff.

**neckdeep** · 09-30-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by MARSHALL TUCKER

on the blue theme I would have gone with (the obvious) Dylan baby blue (or dead cover)

OMFG. How did I not see that? Baby Blue. The meth was baby blue and it was literally and figuratively Walt's baby. He stroked it goodbye one last time just like he did Holly a few scenes before. Fucking brilliant. Long after I think about anything in this series being contrived, I'm going to remember how it used the camera and carefully framed images to tell its story symbolically. I think the three greatest shows ever are The Wire, The Sopranos and, of course, Breaking Bad. Because they are different types of story, I don't bother to distinguish one as "the best." But, I've decided that BB is the one with the most imaginative cinematography, better than 99% of the films out there and probably every other tv show.

The other two shows were great, but BB was a truly imaginative show that pays off at multiple levels in the end. Lost, as a show, was imaginative and entertaining but we really got cheated by the show in the end. The Wire ends with a sense of futility and the implied final message that the human condition overwhelms the individual. The characters were transitory, it was a story about a city and the human condition and, in the end, the city continued on unmoved. Realistic but still sort of an anti-conclusion because the ending is that the story never ends. The Sopranos was fundamentally an amoral perspective (Tony's perspective) and had a conclusion that asked the viewer to supply an ending and examine himself through how he responded to the character of Tony and his ambiguous end. Which is a very clever sort of a cheat...BB gave us the goods. And it doesn't fit in one genre; there was a drama, a black comedy/social satire, a thriller, and an Elizabethan tragedy/morality play all rolled into one hell of a big fatty.

The finale even encapsulated the show's entire premise in that wry exchange with Badger and Skinny Pete:

"I don't know how I feel about this"
"yeah, the whole thing was kinda...shady...morally..."
Walt holds out $20,000, "How do you feel now?"
"Better."

**Dhelihiker** · 09-30-2013, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by flatlander#2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIHRgisdbeY

Marty Robbins.

You're right and what's bad about it is I started my post "down in the west Texas town of El Paso" then deleted it and wrote Pancho and Lefty. Both are songs I play on my guitar on the reg, the start of my mind turning to mush I guess.

I realize its not supposed to be 100% realistic, I'm just critical by nature. I just had way too much build up in my head. I had 20 different endings planned out.

I still maintain that Todd Killing Lydia after she tells him that she doesnt like him "that way" would have been truly a "Todd" type of killing and extra psycho with a touch of awesome.

Jessie choking out Todd was rad!!!!!!!

**angrysasquatch** · 09-30-2013, 01:54 PM

I don't have a problem with the M60. He knew that Lydia would talk Todd into killing him. He knew that by framing it as meeting for a deal with Jack would mean meeting at the compound. He had been there before, knew the layout. Had a good idea which building shit would go down in, the guy who guided him in made it all but certain. Knew Jack was a proud bastard, would talk to him in person. And Jack taking out the big guy, is something he'd want an audience for, which is why most of his guys were there. If you noticed, he had 2 boxes of ammo when he bought the car/ gun, he could have done a full "hot" test on the system beforehand and made sure the recoil didn't destroy it.

Little disappointed at Todd the sociopath. That would be the type of situation I think he'd excel in. I would've expected him to take control of the situation right away, instead he's shell shocked and can't think clearly.