Breaking Bad

[Dantheman]

I was thinkin' on thisee here matter whilst ridin' maw bike just now. Todd keeps Lydia in another dungeon cell as a sex slave. If she screams real good she gets ice cream as a reward.

Fixed it.

[capulin overdrive]

What about Huell?

[Jer]

Huell ends up with all that cash.

[Dhelihiker]

Walt starts the episode with the ricin retrieval, just before the battle he eats it, Nazi's die, Jessie lives and becomes the secret trust fund manager. Walt turns himself in, full confession and dies.

Walt Jr needs to kill someone and I can't figure that out, maybe even Dad? He could get one of those James Bond crutch guns and walk into the jail and booyaH.

[gointhewater]

Todd probably didn't kill Skylar because there is too much heat on her, too many questions would be asked (plus the whole respect thing). Jesse's woman was a consequence free hit.

[NoPostholio]

I want to see Jessie pull some McGyver lab shit to explode him and Todd. Dude might actually have to show emotion right before he gets blowed up....

[bagtagley]

I like the Walt taking the ricin angle, Dhelihiker. I still don't see he and Jesse cooperating in any way, though.

I think at this point, the money is gone. He can't go back to the cabin now that they know where he is, so all that's left is the $100K.

There's been so little Jesse the past few episodes, and on Conan they talked about Paul and Cranston sitting down together and doing a dry read of the script before they filmed. I can't begin to guess how this thing will play out, but I think there has a be a final Jesse/Walt confrontation.

[doughboyshredder]

The money is not gone they're still 90 million sitting there with the Nazis. I sure hope that Jesse gets away with it.

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[Meadow Skipper]

Y'know, Jesse is damn near every bit the nasty douchebag that Walt is. Granted, he's suffered a lot at Walt's hands, but he didn't do anything when dead-eye Opie shot that kid, and he offed that gay chemist all cold-blooded, etc. Jesse's gotta die.

[bagtagley]

The money is not gone they're still 90 million sitting there with the Nazis. I sure hope that Jesse gets away with it.

Oops. Been focusing on that barrel in the shack.

[Dantheman]

I still don't see he and Jesse cooperating in any way, though.

Nope, no way. Any thread of connection those two may have had left disappeared when Walt told Jesse he let Jane die and let Jack&Co haul him off to be tortured.

I think at this point, the money is gone. He can't go back to the cabin now that they know where he is, so all that's left is the $100K

You are probably right, but the cops didn't show up at the bar until the next morning. If he acquired a vehicle quickly enough it's possible he made a run back up there to get the barrel. I can't remember if we've seen any indications of a barrel in the car he is driving in the flash forwards.

[neufox47]

^^^ Walt's cash was on the bar, I thought the message was they just missed him.

[Magic Carpet]

Glass and napkin still on counter, so cops were there sooner.
But that barrel loses importance, since (1) Walt jr refuses any money and (2) he has no real way to get money to his family anyway. It would end up in the vacuum guy's hands.

[Dantheman]

^^^ Walt's cash was on the bar, I thought the message was they just missed him.

Glass and napkin were still on the bar, I can't remember if the cash was. I'll have to rewatch that scene, but it appeared to be morning when the cops arrived. He had to walk a slow, wheezing 8 miles just to get to the bar and we saw him leave the gate in daylight. That should put him at the bar late afternoon (with the time difference Walt Jr. would still have been at school for the call). Given the time of year, it would have to have been dusk/night if the cops showed up right after he left the bar. I thought the message was the crazy switch flipped big time when he saw the interview with Gretchen and Elliot.

[RedWolf]

Anyone else think Jack was about to kill Todd right after the scene where Jesse gives him up on film? Todd was facing the whole group and Jack was waving his gun around, and for a second I thought he was a goner...

[Powow]

Y'know, Jesse is damn near every bit the nasty douchebag that Walt is. Granted, he's suffered a lot at Walt's hands, but he didn't do anything when dead-eye Opie shot that kid, and he offed that gay chemist all cold-blooded, etc. Jesse's gotta die.

How can you see Jesse like this? Think about where Jesse was at the beginning, just some aimless idiot that was mixed up with low level meth.

but he didn't do anything when dead-eye Opie shot that kid,

Really? Nothing?

and he offed that gay chemist all cold-blooded, etc. Jesse's gotta die.

Are we watching the same show? He was crying and shaking when he shot the chemist. It's bad, for sure, but the whole point of his character is that he gets manipulated into situations he doesn't like. Compare that to Walt or any of the other nasty characters on the show, they appear to take pride and joy in the fucked up things they are doing. Walt *brags* about "being the one who knocks".

Jesse is no saint, but saying "Jesse is damn near every bit the nasty douchebag that Walt is" is just insane. Jesse and Hank are/were the only major characters in the show that are/were redeemable IMO.

[abraham]

Eh, jesse is a homewrecker. Has been since we first saw him. Every family he gets involved with gets screwed. The wife at his first cook, Mike, his last two girlfriends, his own family, Hank, the kid in the desert, his fat buddy and Tuco's family got destroyed entirely. Now the whites have been ruined as well.

[NoPostholio]

Anyone else think Jack was about to kill Todd right after the scene where Jesse gives him up on film? Todd was facing the whole group and Jack was waving his gun around, and for a second I thought he was a goner...

That was exactly what I thought - that Jack was pissed at maybe Todd not being up front about the killing or something and that some type of gunplay was gonna ensue. Didn't realize how tight knit these gangs could be - they are like SOA without the motorcycles....

[Meadow Skipper]

How can you see Jesse like this? Think about where Jesse was at the beginning, just some aimless idiot that was mixed up with low level meth.

Really? Nothing?

Are we watching the same show? He was crying and shaking when he shot the chemist. It's bad, for sure, but the whole point of his character is that he gets manipulated into situations he doesn't like. Compare that to Walt or any of the other nasty characters on the show, they appear to take pride and joy in the fucked up things they are doing. Walt *brags* about "being the one who knocks".

Jesse is no saint, but saying "Jesse is damn near every bit the nasty douchebag that Walt is" is just insane. Jesse and Hank are/were the only major characters in the show that are/were redeemable IMO.

Meh, I might be insane, but...

Walt was kind of a sweetheart at the beginning of the show too, so that's a wash. And did I miss something? I don't remember Jesse doing shit when the kid got wasted. And maybe he felt bad about blasting that chemist but he killed him dead right there. He's a murderer.

Walt seems to feel pretty bad about the shit he's pulled when he's not actually in the Heisenberg mode, but everything that he and Jesse touch both turns to shit. They're both culpable.

Is it that you think Jesse's cuter?

[ICEHOCEY77]

marathon on AMC right now. Episode 1.

[Powow]

Meh, I might be insane, but...

Walt was kind of a sweetheart at the beginning of the show too, so that's a wash. And did I miss something? I don't remember Jesse doing shit when the kid got wasted. And maybe he felt bad about blasting that chemist but he killed him dead right there. He's a murderer.

Walt seems to feel pretty bad about the shit he's pulled when he's not actually in the Heisenberg mode, but everything that he and Jesse touch both turns to shit. They're both culpable.

Is it that you think Jesse's cuter?

Like I said, he's no saint, but it's pretty obvious to me that Walt, Gus, Tuco, Todd and the rest of the Nazis, ... are on a whole different level of evil. The only time I've seen Walt express actual regret was when he got Hank killed.

[Benny Profane]

Heisenberg is LBJ

http://theater.nytimes.com/2013/09/2....html?ref=arts

[neckdeep]

The whole "respect for Walt" thing puts a damper on this show for me. You kill his brother-in-law after he offers you 80 mil not to do it, then expect things to be "square". Really? Never thought he might be a little peeved at you for stealing his cash and killing his family member? Major hole in the writing. Walt should have died in the desert with Hank.

You forget that walt and the prison gang have a history together. They killed 10 guys for him. He taught Todd how to cook and Todd likes him. Todd has been their cash cow. And walt is white and a big time criminal, which actually means something in the white power prison gang world. Walt made them rich and never fucked them over, so yeah, he earned "respect" of a sort.

Todd is the anti-Jesse. Jesse is tortured by his conscience but is a sloppy, ineffective, disruptive character. Todd, by comparison, has no conscience but is neat, polite and efficient. When Walt goes fully over to the darkside, his warped father-son relationship with Jesse ends and Walt replaces him with Todd. Now, for those of you not familiar with symbolism, "Tod" is the german word for death.

If Walt died in the desert with Hank, he would not have witnessed the total undoing of his work and his reduction to a prisoner in a cell of his own making. Walt always thought death was waiting for him around the corner, right?...so how is his death a fitting punishment for his deeds? Tragedy demands that the tragic hero be brought low as he realizes his tragic flaw in the last act. Walt is driven by pride. Walt has desperately needed to prove that he's always the smartest guy in the room even though people will get killed to prove it. Walt has always been about family, money, control and respect but its all centered on his pride, mostly. Having lost all of them, essentially, with a family that hates him, money he can't spend, trapped in a shitty cabin and dependent on the disappear guy for everything, publically disgraced and disavowed by everyone who ever knew him....now Walt has died in every way but physically. There is real dramatic meaning there when Walter jr. shouts "why don't you just die already?" Because the question remaning is whether Walt understands these consequences were all brought upon himself or if he continues to always see himself as the guy who got cheated by life. Is he still driven by his pride now that it has been totally taken from him? If Walt's character arc has any redemption left, it will be to return to ABQ to try and end the evils he has created and loosed upon his community. There is no other atonement left to him. He must finally assume responsibility for what he has done and make sure it ends with him. Heisenberg destroyed everything good Walter White had done. Will Walter White return in the finale to destroy Heisenberg in turn? Not a "hole in the writing" in my opinion, just a nod to the classics of tragic literature.

[funkendrenchman]

marathon on AMC right now. Episode 1.

Watched it yesterday. I don't think I'd ever seen it before. I had no idea that Walt tried to kill himself in the 1st episode.

[NoPostholio]

You forget that walt and the prison gang have a history together. They killed 10 guys for him. He taught Todd how to cook and Todd likes him. Todd has been their cash cow. And walt is white and a big time criminal, which actually means something in the white power prison gang world. Walt made them rich and never fucked them over, so yeah, he earned "respect" of a sort.

Todd is the anti-Jesse. Jesse is tortured by his conscience but is a sloppy, ineffective, disruptive character. Todd, by comparison, has no conscience but is neat, polite and efficient. When Walt goes fully over to the darkside, his warped father-son relationship with Jesse ends and Walt replaces him with Todd. Now, for those of you not familiar with symbolism, "Tod" is the german word for death.

If Walt died in the desert with Hank, he would not have witnessed the total undoing of his work and his reduction to a prisoner in a cell of his own making. Walt always thought death was waiting for him around the corner, right?...so how is his death a fitting punishment for his deeds? Tragedy demands that the tragic hero be brought low as he realizes his tragic flaw (pride, usually) in the last act. Walt has always been about family, money, control and respect (his pride, mostly). Having lost all of them, essentially, with a family that hates him, money he can't spend, trapped in a shitty cabin and dependent on the disappear guy for everything, publically disgraced and disavowed by everyone who ever knew him....now Walt has died in every way but physically. There is real dramatic meaning there when Walter jr. shouts "why don't you just die already?" Because the question remaning is whether Walt understands these consequences were all brought upon himself or if he continues to always see himself as the guy who got cheated by life. If Walt's character arc has any redemption left, it will be to return to ABQ to try and end the evils he has created and loosed upon his community. There is no other atonement left to him.

You need your own BB blog yo - nice write up...