"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide

[pappag]

I have read all 38 pages at some point, not doing it again SO cut n past what ever point you wana make

so do you eat a hamburger with a bun how strict is the paleo ?

It really depends. I haven't made a complete conscience decision to cut carbs, but when given the option to eat something without bread (for instance, a burger at In-n-Out "protein style"), I go for that option because I now realize that the bun does absolutely nothing beneficial for me. I do eat a LOT of fiber (30-40g per day, maybe more), but my intake comes from pumpkin seeds as mentioned above, roasted edamame, roasted soybeans, blackberries, and avocados.

[XXX-er]

Interesting

real life would dictate unless you are celiac you gotta make the odd compromise, other than the sprouted grain bread I don't eat much of it, what most would consider "good artisan style bread" often bothers my stomach but sprouted bread almost never

[pappag]

My palate also drastically changed 2 years ago when I had my large intestine removed. Before surgery, I used to crave bread and carbs all the fucking time. And milk as well; I was putting away a gallon every 2 days as well as an unhealthy amount of ice cream. But now, those cravings and others are completely gone. Even my sweet tooth no longer exists... it's pretty weird. Regarding dairy intake, my consumption is limited to cream in coffee (will use coconut milk when possible) and cheese in salad (almost always goat cheese... never processed).

[XXX-er]

IME adding sugar or honey just makes me want more sugar ...I quit cold turkey

[Trackhead]

On the head-scratching side, there was J. Stanton's talk. Stanton spent about half his talk flailing around at my writing in a thinly veiled manner. He even went so far as to label food reward the “naïve hypothesis”. Yes, an entire field of full-time researchers is naïve; good thing we have a fantasy novel author to point it out to us. He seemed so focused on tearing down the food reward hypothesis that he undermined his own ideas in the process.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...2012.html#more

I thought "paleo" was neat for about 8 months, I'm over it. Too much emphasis on food avoidance and paranoia.


If you just eat whole foods, and try to find the highest quality food sources, you can pretty much forget the minutiae and live a long, healthy life. The "Paleo Movement" is great for bloggers, but in the end, simply eating good food will get you to the same place.

[XXX-er]

if you couldn't stick with paleo it was a fad diet, just eat a bit of everything not just better quality but better types of food and eat less ... its ok to be a little hungry

[AKturnanburn]

^^^ shitty flour, corn and soy still is not going to be digested, otherwise I agree with you. Live enzymes win every time.

Also, Whats the word on Chia seeds? super high in omega-3s, protien and fiber, seems pretty good, what do ya'll think?

[Trackhead]

Omega 3's in anything but fish/animal are largely useless and poorly utilized/converted.

[brice618]

Ive always wondered about the obscene amount of fish oil those guys tell you to consume.

[Spats]

4 eggs is 280 calories. It's really not that much food at all.

Exactly. There are more calories in a large bagel...and that's before the jam, butter, cream cheese, lox, etc.

so do you eat a hamburger with a bun how strict is the paleo ?

I'm strict about remaining gluten-free...I use gluten-free soy sauce and cheat very infrequently. (Exception: I wasn't going to leave NYC without eating a Lombardi's or Grimaldi's pizza with friends.) Same with seed oils ("vegetable oils"): I don't eat anything stir-fried or deep-fried outside my house (where I can use coconut oil or butter). I'm less strict about sugar (a Coke after dinner once a week won't kill you) and white rice (it's just empty starch calories, and I love sushi).

But these are judgments you have to make for yourself. It's often best to go cold-turkey for a while, so you can see what happens if you eliminate those foods: for instance, if gluten causes you problems but you keep eating it every few days, you'll never find out! Then you can re-introduce foods to see how you react: for instance, a little casein is fine for me, but too much gives me zits.

Hamburger hint: make sliders (i.e. several little burgers), and fold them up in a lettuce leaf like little tacos. Much less messy.

IME adding sugar or honey just makes me want more sugar ...I quit cold turkey

Exactly!

Omega 3's in anything but fish/animal are largely useless and poorly utilized/converted.

To be more specific: ALA, found in flax and chia seeds, is poorly converted to the EPA and DHA our brains and bodies require. Best to get them from fatty fish and shellfish, with fish oil a backup for when you can't.

Ive always wondered about the obscene amount of fish oil those guys tell you to consume.

Even Robb Wolf has backed off of his original "Fish Oil Calculator" quantities and those mentioned in The Paleo Solution. I've said for a long time: "Note that it’s much better to minimize omega-6 intake by eliminating seed oils and reducing nut intake, than it is to “balance your ratio” with pathological quantities of fish oil."

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...2012.html#more

Note that Stephan received the "whiniest non-Australian" award at AHS for those complaints, among others: http://thatpaleoguy.com/2012/08/26/a...road-part-one/
And his criticisms were not shared or amplified by anyone else, including his commenters. (Note the first comment is from a supporter of mine!)

Meanwhile, here are a couple reactions to my talk from people whose blogging career isn't threatened by someone explaining the science of hunger:
http://primalmeded.com/2012/08/22/as...-wrap-up-post/
http://paleoatpenn.blogspot.com/2012/08/ahs-day-2.html

I'll be responding to his criticisms once the video is available for everyone to watch and judge for themselves. Until then, I feel it's counterproductive to open a discussion, here or anywhere else.

I thought "paleo" was neat for about 8 months, I'm over it. Too much emphasis on food avoidance and paranoia.

Stephan's viewpoint is strongly biased by his employment as a junior researcher in a lab whose head is dedicated to proving the proposition that insulin makes you slim, via government funding. Plus, he's never been "paleo"...at best, he's WAPF. So I would take his viewpoint with several grains of salt...it doesn't seem to have been shared by any of the other attendees or speakers, including myself.

If you just eat whole foods, and try to find the highest quality food sources, you can pretty much forget the minutiae and live a long, healthy life. The "Paleo Movement" is great for bloggers, but in the end, simply eating good food will get you to the same place.

I disagree strongly. Sprouting your wheat doesn't alter the effects of gliadin peptides on zonulin signaling, just to pick one example -- and even the less-toxic grains are nutritionally far inferior to meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, and even fruits. If you had gone to AHS, you might have seen Mat Lalonde's talk, wherein he pointed out that all the nutritional values ascribed to grains are for UNCOOKED grains...

...but we can't eat uncooked grains, and (like most other things) they lose a lot of their nutrition in cooking.

Yes, a WAPF-style "whole foods" diet is much superior to the SAD. However, the evidence is that any of the reasonable paleo diet variants are superior in all interesting respects.

[Trackhead]

Yes, a WAPF-style "whole foods" diet is much superior to the SAD. However, the evidence is that any of the reasonable paleo diet variants are superior in all interesting respects.

Sprouting legumes and non-wheat/pseudo cereals greatly reduces the Paleo Devil (phytic acid), and also increases the Paleo elusive vitamin E and bioavailable magnesium.

Wheat, at least "modern wheat", is shit. And I agree, most people would be better off not eating it.

[Dantheman]

Great Scientific American guest blog post about why "a calorie is a calorie" is dead wrong.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...bout-calories/

[XXX-er]

...but we can't eat uncooked grains, and (like most other things) they lose a lot of their nutrition in cooking.
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actualy the cherman ski guide tells us in chermany nobody cooks their breakfast oats they eat em raw and buddy definatley does eat them, I know another guy a botanist who buys his oats in 50lb sacks from the feed store, stores them in a big clean galvanized garbage figures his breakfast oats costs 9 cents a day


I was told very recently that coconut oil is THE thing to cook with ...the opposite of what we have heard before

[Spats]

Dantheman: that's a good article. (I've had it forwarded to me by several people.)

Trackhead: the problem with vitamin E is that so long as you are not frankly deficient, additional intake is generally associated with increased mortality. It's also important to note that grass-fed beef has about 4x as much vitamin E as grain-fed beef.

Also, I looked it up on nutritiondata, and oatmeal of any kind doesn't have significant vitamin E. I'm wondering how the RDA is determined, because according to the statistics, we couldn't possibly have got the RDA of E in our diet before the invention of refined seed oils (and fortified breakfast cereal). It's just not in any whole foods in any significant quantity..which doesn't make sense.

I was told very recently that coconut oil is THE thing to cook with ...the opposite of what we have heard before

I buy it by the gallon. Great stuff...and it doubles as sunscreen (SPF 8) and hand/face lotion! Note that unrefined coconut oil still smells and tastes like coconuts: refined oil has no taste or smell.

actualy the cherman ski guide tells us in chermany nobody cooks their breakfast oats they eat em raw and buddy definatley does eat them, I know another guy a botanist who buys his oats in 50lb sacks from the feed store, stores them in a big clean galvanized garbage figures his breakfast oats costs 9 cents a day

Rolled oats (your source for oatmeal) have already been rolled flat, steamed, and lightly toasted...so even if you eat them "raw", they've already been cooked.

[hafilax]

"The mad as a bag of cats but still an awesome guy - J.Stanton"

[Trackhead]

Trackhead: the problem with vitamin E is that so long as you are not frankly deficient, additional intake is generally associated with increased mortality. It's also important to note that grass-fed beef has about 4x as much vitamin E as grain-fed beef.

Also, I looked it up on nutritiondata, and oatmeal of any kind doesn't have significant vitamin E. I'm wondering how the RDA is determined, because according to the statistics, we couldn't possibly have got the RDA of E in our diet before the invention of refined seed oils (and fortified breakfast cereal). It's just not in any whole foods in any significant quantity..which doesn't make sense.

If I remember correctly, the correlation of vitamin E and mortality was focused on those taking vitamin E supplements, not from food.

Interesting about grass fed beef and vitamin E, I wasn't aware of that. Higher tissue levels of vitamin E in grass fed cows is obviously because they are eating grass (sprouted grains), which inherently have a high vitamin E content.

During sprouting, vitamins A, E, and C all greatly increase. I have no idea the mechanism of the plants ability to do this, but if you're interested, spend some time reading about germinating grains and pseudo grains and increased polyphenol and vitamin content. I had a bunch of links a while back, but not sure where they are.

Anyway, a nice big bowl of sprouted/dehydrated buckwheat with some goat milk and fruit is pretty damn tasty.

[Tye 1on]

kinda funny article/guide here

[bagtagley]

Been making homemade Larabars lately. They're a good source of energy during longer efforts, and they're a good quick breakfast for the kids when we don't have time to shovel eggs in. I realize dried fruit isn't ideal, and Dates are loaded with fructose, but they're also loaded with fiber, and I've worked to make fruit less of a staple in the recipe. I've also mixed in a variety of fruits.

2 pounds dried dates, figs, prunes and apricots
2 100% dark chocolate bars
2-3 cups raw almonds
2-3 Tbsp coconut oil
Lots* of shredded coconut (unsweetened)
Lots* of cocoa nibs

I mix it all in a food processor. It's gotten big enough that I have to do this in two batches. Typically I'll save half a chocolate bar for the very end so that there are some chocolate chunks in there. I then hand "toss" it in a big bowl and press it into a rimmed baking sheet lined with parchment. Let it cool in the fridge, then cut into bars and wrap with whatever you use. Sometimes, we'll just cut bars off a big sheet that we leave in the fridge.

Again, not something I eat every day, or a lot of, but way better than toast and bagels and PBJs and the other crap we used to give my daughter when she needed a quick breakfast or snack. A not-so-bad cheat as well.

*I just do a couple pulls on the lever of the bulk dispenser at the store. I'd say probably 3 cups of coconut and 1-2 cups of nibs.

[neufox47]

Great Scientific American guest blog post about why "a calorie is a calorie" is dead wrong.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...bout-calories/

Great article. I sent it to my parents.

But I think your conclusion is misleading, especially since many paleo proponents believe that calories are virtually inconsequential if all you eat is nuts, meat, vegetables, etc.

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[Trackhead]

But I think your conclusion is misleading, especially since many paleo proponents believe that calories are virtually inconsequential if all you eat is nuts, meat, vegetables, etc.

Yup, I can gain weight no problem eating "Paleo", I can also lose weight eating only Twinkies.

[shroom]

Yup, I can gain weight no problem eating "Paleo", I can also lose weight eating only Twinkies.

and shit your brains out, feel terrible, and perform terrible in the process. "weight" is hardly something to be concerned with, it's too relative.

[Alaskan Rover]

Been making homemade Larabars lately. They're a good source of energy during longer efforts, and they're a good quick breakfast for the kids when we don't have time to shovel eggs in. I realize dried fruit isn't ideal, and Dates are loaded with fructose, but they're also loaded with fiber, and I've worked to make fruit less of a staple in the recipe. I've also mixed in a variety of fruits.

2 pounds dried dates, figs, prunes and apricots
2 100% dark chocolate bars
2-3 cups raw almonds
2-3 Tbsp coconut oil
Lots* of shredded coconut (unsweetened)
Lots* of cocoa nibs

I mix it all in a food processor. It's gotten big enough that I have to do this in two batches. Typically I'll save half a chocolate bar for the very end so that there are some chocolate chunks in there. I then hand "toss" it in a big bowl and press it into a rimmed baking sheet lined with parchment. Let it cool in the fridge, then cut into bars and wrap with whatever you use. Sometimes, we'll just cut bars off a big sheet that we leave in the fridge.

Again, not something I eat every day, or a lot of, but way better than toast and bagels and PBJs and the other crap we used to give my daughter when she needed a quick breakfast or snack. A not-so-bad cheat as well.

*I just do a couple pulls on the lever of the bulk dispenser at the store. I'd say probably 3 cups of coconut and 1-2 cups of nibs.

Thanks! That sounds like a great quick-energy-bar type food for hikes or long sails, bike-trips etc. What the heck are cocoa nibs? I like the absence of refined sugar in your recipe. I've cut refined sugar totally out of my diet (I do use a little raw, unfined sugar...comes in a hard brown cone...you scrape the sugar off as needed...lasts forever!)You can also replace the chocolate bars with semi-sweet baking chocolate.

As to the sprouts vs. no sprouts argument....I've always been a big fan of sprouts. So easy to grow. The stuff they sell in the produce section is a big rip that quickly goes rotten.

I use three different sprouting bottles in stages. start one bottle of sprouts, two days later start another bottle and two days after that, another bottle. You'll always have a supply of fresh sprouts that way. It takes about 2 and a half to three days before you get good green sprouts.

Broccolli sprouts are FULL of health !! It's true that without a ruminant stomach, raw grains are useless to us, except for pure roughage, but sprouts are the next best thing to raw grains.

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[Spats]

hafilax: Jamie Scott is a friend and a great guy. http://www.thatpaleoguy.com

If I remember correctly, the correlation of vitamin E and mortality was focused on those taking vitamin E supplements, not from food.

I think you're right.

During sprouting, vitamins A, E, and C all greatly increase. I have no idea the mechanism of the plants ability to do this, but if you're interested, spend some time reading about germinating grains and pseudo grains and increased polyphenol and vitamin content. I had a bunch of links a while back, but not sure where they are.

I'd love to see them, because nutritiondata doesn't show any vitamin E at all in sprouted wheat, lentils, alfalfa, or kidney beans. But sprouting turns part of a seed into a little green plant, so it's not surprising that the nutrition improves and the toxins (which are there to keep the seed from being eaten) decrease.

[hafilax]

Spats, I got that. Just thought it was funny, which was the point. Looking forward to the video of you presentation to put a personality to the posts.

[Trackhead]

I'd love to see them, because nutritiondata doesn't show any vitamin E at all in sprouted wheat, lentils, alfalfa, or kidney beans. But sprouting turns part of a seed into a little green plant, so it's not surprising that the nutrition improves and the toxins (which are there to keep the seed from being eaten) decrease.

Link
The mineral contents of buckwheat sprout were 1.8 to 8.4 times higher than those of buckwheat seed. Vitamin A, C and E of buckwheat sprout was 1,180 I.U., 203 mg and 32.1 mg per 100 g dry weight, respectively. a-Tocopherol in particular was increased by 27.5 times compared to that of buckwheat seed. Also, rutin content of buckwheat sprout was 343.67 mg%, which was almost 18 times that of buckwheat seed.

Buckwheat is $1.99/lb. I have a batch going every week.
1. Soak for 12 hours
2. Rinse a few times during soaking.
3. Put in collander and cover.
4. Wet groats twice per day for 48-72 hours for sprouting.
5. Put groats in dehydrator for 12 or so hours.
6. Chow down on cheap, nutritious carb source.

My kid loves buckwheat "bars" made with almond butter and dried fruit. Or sprouted buckwheat waffles. Good stuff.

Low carb paleo diets are great for sedentary obese people, not me.

Another good, cheap food is Indian dosa and idlis, made with fermented rice/bean combos. Dosas wrapped around some scrambled eggs make for excellent breakfast burritos. So good.