"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide

[Viva]

Mofo's right bad shit.

[fool]

LCHF diets are all the rage among elite ultra athletes these days: https://www.outsideonline.com/192626...t-diet-runners

We're talking the truly elite, like Western States course record holder and 100-mile WR holder elite. Not that paleo has to be low carb, you can eat all the tubers and fruit you want. Despite Tipp's musings upthread, potatoes are very much allowed. Don't eat the skin though if you eat a lot of them.

While it is the rage among elites, I also found better energy levels doing LCHF. I would be able to eat dinner Friday night, wake up Saturday morning, go for a 2.5+ hour run on a gu or bar, maybe two, and still not be that hungry after getting home. It was pretty amazing to see my body adapt to it, though it is commitment. (I wasn't usually that strict of LCHF on Sat night and later in the weekend - I like delicious food too!).

More good info here: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlo...ce-Performance

[Dantheman]

LCHF like Keto? The Keto Diet is interesting but damn what a life commitment. Meal prep 100% of the time. I have a coworker that is Keto, he fucking loves it but he eats really odd food.

Short periods of keto can be used to force adaptation, but AFAIK none of these guys follow full-on keto diets day-to-day. They usually follow some form of Optimized Fat Metabolism (OFM) program that can include relatively large amounts of carbs (typ. 100-200 g/day), but they are supplied at very specific times. Fasted training plays a big role in forcing and maintaining adaptation as well. There's good evidence that it's a persistent adaptation and if you're active you can be a bit looser once your body has made the shift, which is likely related to how exercise activates non-insulin dependent glucose uptake. From fool's link:

"Current observation suggests once this shift is in place, the window of carbohydrate tolerance for most athletes is much wider than for a sedentary person adhering to a strict ketogenic diet and thus some level of carbohydrates can be strategically brought back into the diet and fueling for performance."

A down side to really healthy eating for me, is I have a hard time maintaining weight because im not hungry. Sometimes I binge on ice cream or crap food just to increase calorie intake.

Agreed. If you're active it's damn near impossible to overeat when eating really clean and undereating is usually the problem. I like corn tortillas for cheap, convenient and relatively healthy filler calories.

While it is the rage among elites, I also found better energy levels doing LCHF. I would be able to eat dinner Friday night, wake up Saturday morning, go for a 2.5+ hour run on a gu or bar, maybe two, and still not be that hungry after getting home. It was pretty amazing to see my body adapt to it, though it is commitment. (I wasn't usually that strict of LCHF on Sat night and later in the weekend - I like delicious food too!).

Agreed. I basically never get "hangry" anymore and can skip/delay meals with ease. It's really quite liberating.

[bagtagley]

I tried keto, and have basically settled into something like what the article and Dan are talking about. I eat lower than normal carbs, but nothing crazy. I'm much more concerned about where they come from and when to eat them, than with how many I'm taking in.

I eat high fat, moderate protein, and lower carbs. I get some of my fat from meat, but not all of it. I don't know what you call how I eat, but it started with this thread and the resulting research it triggered. All I know is that I eat a lot of food and don't count anything. The result is that I'm at a healthy body weight, 10-12% body fat, feel good, and perform well. I think the typical markers are overplayed, but mine have steadily improved over the years. When I started 5(ish) years ago, I had sky-high LDL, low HDL, borderline Triglycerides, high normal blood sugar, and my blood pressure was making its way to high. I had a blood test in the Fall, and after a steady decline, my LDL is now within the acceptable range. My HDL is really high, my Triglycerides are really low, my blood sugar is good, and my blood pressure is back down to HS numbers.

Anecdotal as that may be, it feels like a success. Particularly since I'm not on a diet, I'm just eating.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Is birth control Paleo? Is semen?

[mcsquared]

Is birth control Paleo? Is semen?

Are you still thinking you are clever by focusing on the name and ignoring everything else?

[stuckathuntermtn]

It's not a new thing to eat less refined sugar, which everyone says is bad for you, and more other stuff. It's not "Paleo," it's eating.

[mcsquared]

I know. This thread is 6 years old.

[stuckathuntermtn]

And not eating candy for a meal is a lot older.

[mcsquared]

Most people (outside of ski forums) still think that low fat yogurt (with a ton of added sugar) is good for you and butter is bad for you. Make funny jokes all you want about the "Paleo" diet (did cave men grind their own beef, wait they didn't even have cows HAHAHAHA Stupid people everybody knows that sugar is bad) but the basic ideas behind the paleo diet were pretty revolutionary 6 years ago and other diets have adopted those principles and repackaged it. But yea candy is bad for you. That is the entire message in a nutshell.

[stuckathuntermtn]

You're right. People are fucking retarded. Stuff that is advertised as low fat is frequently not good for you. Understanding that doesn't make you paleo.

[Dhelihiker]

I've read about 20 articles on the keto/OFM/LCHF diets and its very interesting. I am going strict Keto for the foreseeable just to see what my body does. Look for me at the Olympics

[Gcooker]

I've read about 20 articles on the keto/OFM/LCHF diets and its very interesting. I am going strict Keto for the foreseeable just to see what my body does. Look for me at the Olympics

Get some Ketone pee sticks and check that shit every night, also check your blood sugar while entering ketosis. It can get dangerously low in a hurry if you are ACTUALLY going ketonic. Chances are your ketone level will be hardly detectable on the pee sticks if following the fad keto diet BS. Most of the so called Keto diets are modified atkins that allow a ton of protein, protein converts to carbs if you have too much... which means your still running on glucose....

I hate how the term Keto gets thrown around as a fad diet regime. My daughter is on a 4:1 ketogenic medical diet for epilepsy after traditional treatments failed. 4:1 means 4 fat to 1 carb + protein. She gets exactly 984 calories a day and everything she eats is weighed to 0.2 of a gram. Too many calories ='s conversion of unused fat and protein to carbs. Going into Ketosis, her blood sugar fell to 1.2 which could, if not corrected kill an adult. She gets 100% of her nutrition from supplements and vitamins and has crazy high cholesterol... not to mention she hasn't grown an inch in the 14 months she's been on it. (Also had 0 seizures... yeah!)

Most here would find food unpalatable in a 4:1 ratio. She has 3 meals and 3 snacks a day and zero free foods. An example of a meal is like this: 45 grams heavy 36% cream, 36 grams of eggs, 6 grams vegetable oil and 10 grams of butter. We turn the cream into whip cream and sweeten with Stevia, and the eggs drip with oil and butter... good luck choking that down 3 times a day. Try up scaling that recipe for 2200 calories a day and make it... see what you think.

Bottom line, "Keto" for non-medical reasons is a low carb modified Atkins. I'm clearly sensitive to the issue due to my experience with a 5 year old who can't have a grain of sugar but in all honesty there is nothing remotely healthy about the actual Ketogenic diet.

[Spats]

I still think it's weird that Spats said "NEIN" to honey or potatoes (tubers) - 2 foods that "Paleo man" definitely ate (source: my Archaeology Professor sister.)

Since this thread got necro'ed a while ago, I'll do this.

From the original article: "Prefer foods that are high in glucose and low in fructose, particularly root starches like potatoes..." Tipp, please read more carefully before making such accusations. As the article makes clear, people generally eat too much starch, but starch in moderation is fine if it comes from non-grain sources.

For anyone who's wondering, yes, I still eat basically the same way as I did when I wrote the article, over six years ago!

Do I cheat sometimes? Sure. But I don't claim it's anything but a cheat, and the cleaner I eat, the better I feel, despite lacking any specific medical conditions that require me to continue eating paleo-ish. (The Perfect Health Diet is closest to what I eat: basically paleo plus white rice, butter, and occasional dairy cheating. Carbohydrates are limited, but not to LCHF/keto levels.)

[Spats]

It's great to see the same names still in here from literally six years ago. DTM, bags, DJSapp...I hope all of you have had the same success I've had myself. If I've helped improve the lives of even three or four people here by doing what I do, I consider the time and effort well spent.

Anecdotal as that may be, it feels like a success. Particularly since I'm not on a diet, I'm just eating.

Yes!

A "diet" implies something temporary that you stop doing once you've reached your goal...at which point you return to your previous weight and state of health. The first question to ask when you look at any weight loss plan or health plan - including exercise regimens as well as food regimens - should be "Can I do this for the rest of my life?"

http://www.gnolls.org/3606/will-you-...nge-your-life/

[KQ]

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[Spats]

They have more than one of those! WHAAAAAT



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[JimmyCarter]

They even have a DD one:

[iceman]

That actually looks like a pretty nice hoodie.

edit: not cheap but nice: https://huckberry.com/store/shop/fli...10-year-hoodie

[mud]

If only figs and pistachios had better marketing.

[fomofo]

Just finished watching this. Take it with a grain of salt, (if you must, and your diet allows), but it's interesting food for thought.

[Dantheman]

A grain of salt, LOL. It's from the director of Game Changers which is a giant steaming pile of shit.

edit: So apparently they actually published the results in a paper, and Layne Norton summarized the result in a post earlier this week.

The twins on a vegan diet had modestly better improvements in weight, LDL, and a few other health markers. The vegan twins ate 30% more fiber, less saturated fat, and 200 kcal/day less. So, the results are really not surprising at all.

Apparently Layne has a full breakdown coming in a few weeks. Here's his writeup on Game Changers: https://biolayne.com/articles/resear...ific-analysis/

[ötzi]

There's been kind of a Spats vibe going on around here lately.

[Woodsy]

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