Is this not just a little fucking ridiculous?

[snowsprite]

Listen, do you have a record of the community service you did for the City?

Can you go and have them write you a letter explaining what you did and that you fulfilled your obligations?

If so, DO THAT before you attend this little school meeting because they are not going to believe your words, only official documentation. Bring like 3 copies of everything. Cover your ass.

Sprite

PS, I am getting the feeling that they may perhaps be trying to just fuck w/ you and scare you a little bit. Power trip thing that people do. I will not be one bit surprised if you show up w/ your proof of stuff and they let you go with some additional fine just to sort of slap your ass on the way out (in a bad way)

[MOHSHSIHd]

Well, I am gonna try to contact the Dean's office, but if its anything like the rest of the administration here I will wait 3 or 4 days for them to even call me back. Then I will wait another 2 weeks to have a 5 minute meeting with the Dean.

Sweet.



Dear CU. Take your damn money, give me my piece of paper, and go fuck someone else over.

[CUBUCK]

Well, I am gonna try to contact the Dean's office, but if its anything like the rest of the administration here I will wait 3 or 4 days for them to even call me back. Then I will wait another 2 weeks to have a 5 minute meeting with the Dean.

Sweet.



Dear CU. Take your damn money, give me my piece of paper, and go fuck someone else over.

I would suggest walking over there rather then lobbing in a phone call or email so they understand the urgency of your request.

[BrianGriffin]

All they care about it money here. Education is just a side-effect if you are lucky.

Quoted for truth. Welcome to most large universities today. Not that I would rather be at a small institution, but since you don't really have a choice about going to college anymore in this country, it's a lesser of two evils decision, at least in the short-term. That sucks though man, good luck resolving it.

[Stu Gotz]

This may seem like a cop-out, but get your parents involved.

The issue has nothing to do with the college. You were given X penalty. You agreed to do Y to pay debt to community. Case closed.

You folks should call up and say "Are all tuition bills paid? Are all academic requirements fulfilled? Then fuck off. My son walks."

[gh444]

A theft on your record and the threat to keep you from being recognized as having completed your 6 figure education = take this seriously and fight back.

[Son O' God]

Yeah, I flunk a paper on manmade global warming because a student's stance is that it is still totally unproven, and this disagrees with me.

Oh, and charge people with theft for something that was never stolen. Sorry I don't fit in with your idiot trustafarian friends, Buster!

Ask them what happened to double jeopardy.

Nathan...

I don't believe your story because there is no one left at CU who does not believe in the theory of man made global warming...the few remaining hold outs were taken from their hiding places in the middle of the night, loaded onto a boxcar made from 100% recycled materials and pulled by a biodiesel powered locomotive to CSU...

[Cliff Huckable]

Yeah, I flunk a paper on manmade global warming because a student's stance is that it is still totally unproven, and this disagrees with me.

Oh, and charge people with theft for something that was never stolen. Sorry I don't fit in with your idiot trustafarian friends, Buster!

Ask them what happened to double jeopardy.

Wait. What exactly does your first sentence mean? Are these the writing skills that did you in?

Are you saying you wrote a paper on global warming and concluded that it is totally unproven or do you mean you were marking papers and some idiot's thesis was just cut and pasted from one of Exxon's four hundred+ global warming denail front sites?

And when you say it disagrees with you....wtf? Did you eat the paper?

[half-fast]

The issue has nothing to do with the college. You were given X penalty. You agreed to do Y to pay debt to community. Case closed.

unfortunately that may not be the case-many schools have a "student code of conduct" that covers about anything under the sun. the school I work at can bring a student in front of a judiciary board (the student can't be represented by a lawyer or anyone at the hearing) whatever decision they make is final and can't be appealed.

[Tye 1on]

unfortunately that may not be the case-many schools have a "student code of conduct" that covers about anything under the sun. the school I work at can bring a student in front of a judiciary board (the student can't be represented by a lawyer or anyone at the hearing) whatever decision they make is final and can't be appealed.

So THAT'S where they figured out how to run Gitmo!

[mr_gyptian]

Woah.

I just now understood your username, MOHSHSIHd.

Are you and AKPM in some type of contest to consistently post the dumbest shit in any given thread?

Phish,

tell them to call your lawyer.

[scarlet begonias]

Oh NOW I get it...

Phishshow!

Good luck man. I kind of like the whole idea of getting your parents involved. And the paper work to proove you have jumped through all the hoops would help.

[flowtron]

Walk over to the Dean of Students office, calmy and humbly explain your situation and your concern. Start telling it to the receptionist, take the earliest appt you can no matter what the time and be there early.
I've always had good luck with the DoS offices of a few different schools in terms of student advocacy in retarded Kafka-esque academic bullshit situations.

Tell him how you learned a lot through all the punishment you've already gone through.

[Lurch]

Find out which of your teachers works as a student advocate and schedule a meeting. They will give you the best advice and help you push your case through.

FYI. You are facing school sanctions not government sanctions. Most schools will not let you bring anyone into the hearing that is not affiliated with the school. The only use you have for a lawyer is to bring a lawsuit against CU.

[Nathan Explosion]

Nathan...

I don't believe your story because there is no one left at CU who does not believe in the theory of man made global warming...the few remaining hold outs were taken from their hiding places in the middle of the night, loaded onto a boxcar made from 100% recycled materials and pulled by a biodiesel powered locomotive to CSU...

Wait. What exactly does your first sentence mean? Are these the writing skills that did you in?

Are you saying you wrote a paper on global warming and concluded that it is totally unproven or do you mean you were marking papers and some idiot's thesis was just cut and pasted from one of Exxon's four hundred+ global warming denail front sites?

And when you say it disagrees with you....wtf? Did you eat the paper?

Context is important for comprehension. Cliff, had you read the context following the post I quoted, maybe it would register as sarcasm.

In a mid-level Chem course a paper discussing man-made global warming was assigned. I wrote a paper which disagreed with the professor's stance, and debunked alot of the "facts" he'd one-sidedly presented in class. It easily fell within the guidelines of the assignment, even the TAs agreed with me, and he flunked me because I disagreed with his bullshit assertions and had scientific backing for my disagreement.

I filed a formal complaint, threatened legal action, and the grade was removed from my records, and I promptly left the school, because I'll be damned if I'm going pay out of state tuition to get slapped around.

And yeah, the sentiment is normal in alot of universities, but there aren't alot of professors with the gall to flunk someone for disagreeing on the basis of fact.

[Danno]

Same type of thing happened at my school- the school got involved if you got in trouble off campus.

You should have like a student liason or something similar in the Office of Student Services (or whatever CU has) that you can explain your case to.

I'd say just go to this person, explain you did your time with the city- outline what they had you do...ALL OF IT...and say you are still under the defferred thing until November through the city/state/whatever. Tell them you did the fines and attended the drunk classes through the school as part of your "sentence".

Just explain politely that its tough to get this email a couple weeks before graduation, especially when you thought you had done pretty much everything needed.

Dont expect anything...but if you go in and not be an asshole, you might find someone who can take a second look. Having the school impose separate punishment is fairly common. But right before you need to graduate might merit some consideration on their part.

good advice

Is there a faculty member you're friendly with (advisor or dean, ideally) and can talk to about this? I didn't go to a big school, so maybe it's different, but the one time I caught shit for an on-campus infraction it definitely helped to have a professor go to bat for me.

good advice

This may seem like a cop-out, but get your parents involved.

The issue has nothing to do with the college. You were given X penalty. You agreed to do Y to pay debt to community. Case closed.

You folks should call up and say "Are all tuition bills paid? Are all academic requirements fulfilled? Then fuck off. My son walks."

good advice (except for saying fuck off ).

[Nathan Explosion]

Did you get a patchouli enema while tied up by a gang of longhairs or something?

Dude, I told you, you are the only one whose done that to me. Stop bringing it up or I'm selling the video.

[jepilot]

It's been said: talk to a lawyer. Then, talk to local law enforcement and ask what they can do for you.

[powder11]

It's been said: talk to a lawyer. Then, talk to local law enforcement and ask what they can do for you.

Get a grip people... the school doesn't care. Big deal, how many universities really do? I'm sure the school has bylaws to cite about their rights, so WTF is a lawyer going to do anyway? At this point, phish has to take one in the shorts by satisfying whatever parameters the school sets.

Phish still walks at graduation so mommy and daddy get the pictures, does his extra time over the spring/summer and they mail him the piece of paper next fall so it can sit in a drawer for the next however many years before he gets around to framing it.

[Thrill Hammer]

BURN THE FUCKER DOWN!!

[TNKen]

Serious note here. You need to manage to keep this off your college records. Question I have is is this an "administrative" function of the school, or are these separate criminal offenses imposed by the school.

If administrative may be tough.

One thought I have is to assert double jeopardy. Can't be tried for the same crime twice.

[Will]

I don't know how judicial sanctions work at your school. I assume, that like at many schools, they can go after you for stuff done off campus.

At most schools the campus judicial system does not function like the state legal system*. You may not get a lawyer or advocate, the judge may be the same person as the jury, and the overall tone of the thing may be less "innocent until proven guilty" and more "tell us what happened and we'll tell you your punishment."

In campus judicial systems you are often expected to cooperate with the tribunal/whatever; therefore silence = maximum penalty (remember, no "innocent until proven guilty"). Because of this feature campus judicial systems may wait until after the state judicial process has run its course - if the campus went after you before or at the same time as the state you could be in a bind. You'd want to stay silent (or present limited information in your favor) before the state, but spill the beans and plead for leniency from the school. If your campus trial occurred first the state may be able to take your statements at the campus hearing and use them against you later on.

This is a round-about way of saying, that your school may have a reason for going after you only after the state has had its way with you.

Whatever the case, the school may know that you're square with the law; but they may still want a swing at you. It would be best to figure out what they want and what your options are. Then pick the best one and follow-through. It may be that you're getting fucked, but the unfairness of that doesn't change the fact that you're still getting fucked and that you will have to deal with the fucking in one way or another.

Pete: The Preacher said it absolved us.
Everett: For him, not for the law. I'm surprised at you, Pete, I gave you credit for more brains than Delmar.
Delmar: But they was witnesses that seen us redeemed.
Everett: That's not the issue Delmar. Even if that did put you square with the Lord, the State of Mississippi's a little more hard-nosed.

[Timmy Two Planks]

similar situation happened to me. basically the school makes up their own rules. best thing to do is to talk the dean/student services/student advisors to get their perspective, or even the school paper to make them and others aware of the situations. and show, in official paperwork, what you have already done for the state.

[Albert Gore]

PHISHSHOW,

I used to think you were pretty smart becuase you're a member of my religion and all, but re-reading about your grade-school attempt at street sign hijinks has made me rethink my position.

You're a fucking retard. You are bringing down the value of everyone's college degrees.

[This End Up]

So I got an email last week saying I had to take it in the ass from C.U.

Next time, ignore the emial.