Michael Moore

[kayaktheworld]

Yeah, Michael Moore is fat. I'm sure he knows it, we all know it, it doesn't really make a difference. Fat people can be intelligent and have opinions too.

On the otherhand, those of you who criticize him only attack him personally, by far being more rude and condescending than he is.

So anyway, what did you all actually find wrong with the OPINIONS expressed in the MOVIE? We all know how fat he is so you guys don't need to tell us that along with other disgusting insults.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I would hope, that if I found myself in that position, I would not begin creating rights that don't exist simply because I would benefit from them.

I don't think you get his point and I don't really get why you wouldn't want to help people who are ill. Survival of the fittest is what I'm getting from your posts.

That said, we live in the richest nation in the world, yet we can't find a way in the federal budget to create socialized healthcare? If you want to run your life by the all mighty dollar feel free to do so. I would suggest you not go to any hospitals though because they are all in some way funded by tax dollars. Get your health care by hiring doctors to come to your house on your own dime. If you get sick, get cancer, or any other ailment that requires specialzed equipment good luck.

[Yonder_River]

Jeebus Christ MP, quite cloaking your disgust for someone receiving medical attention that they didn't pay 100% for as some kind of heartfelt concern for doctors suffering wages.

My wife is an Anesthesiologist in residency and she certainly doesn't share your deep concerns over her profession. 100k per year for insurance is an exaggerated number, that might exist in a handfull of states, but not in most.

The insurance companies are good at placing all of the blame on trial lawyers so they can justify their rates. One thing is for certain, doctor's are the only ones suffering from high liability insurance, because it sure aint the insurance companies....they're doing just fine.

Whatever semi-socialized system we inevitably switch to, trust me on this one, doctors will still be payed a good wage. There is no way in hell most of them would buck up for 8 years of that bullshit without the financial incentive at the end.

[PNWbrit]

Please tell me, at what point did it become a right? Is something a "right" just because we want it to be?

Probably right after having to fight cunts like you to get it?

[Buster Highmen]

What better measure of the advancement of society than the polemic of priviledge becomes a paradigm of right?

On the other hand, prima noctae wasn't so bad, was it?

[woodstocksez]

Fat people can be intelligent and have opinions too.

No, they can't. That's a common misconception.

[MeatPuppet]

I don't think you get his point and I don't really get why you wouldn't want to help people who are ill. Survival of the fittest is what I'm getting from your posts.

I understand how you might get that from my posts. But it's not accurate at all.

I guess you could say that I value the health of our society over the health of the individual. I believe that people asserting that the government has an obligation to meet their personal needs, spells death for our way of life. It changes the character of our society, and not for the better, IMO.

As I think about it, if a State wanted to institute a state health care system, and have eligibility be similar to that for in-state tuition in a State university, I would have no problem with it at all.

So maybe it's just the Federal health care system I have a problem with. I know of nothing the Federal government gets involved in that becomes more efficient. It just doesn't happen.

That said, we live in the richest nation in the world, yet we can't find a way in the federal budget to create socialized healthcare? If you want to run your life by the all mighty dollar feel free to do so.

It's not the dollar, it's the Constitution. There isn't an amendment in the Bill of Rights that recognizes our right to health care. If there were one, I would support it's creation, even though I would still think it was a bad idea.


This is such an emotionally charged issue, it's difficult to have a rational conversation about it. Too many people let their heart eat their brain, which is probably better than the other way around. But we would all be better off if neither happened.

[woodstocksez]

I don't think you get his point and I don't really get why you wouldn't want to help people who are ill.

Unfortunately, I think you're serious.

Anyway, fair's fair. He doesn't get the other poster's point (or so you say); you don't get his. Even, more or less.

If you want to run your life by the all mighty dollar feel free to do so.

Hunh? You think appropriating the talents of others is not about the dollar? Most everything is about costs and benefits: money is just one way that we sometimes use to keep track.

[mr_gyptian]

Probably right after having to fight cunts like you to get it?

well I think most of these rights were to follow through on all men(meaning humans) being created equal. If a man can vote why cannot a woman? etc.

paying for healthcare is not even remotely the same thing.

[woodstocksez]

There is no way in hell most of them would buck up for 8 years of that bullshit without the financial incentive at the end.

That's an important point. Some brief conversations I've had with our family's doctors, as well as a few stories I've read/heard, suggest that there are some doctors who wouldn't make the same career choice if they'd appreciated the effect the current managed care system would have on their compensation. Certainly some don't go into it just, or maybe even primarily, for the money, but, for others, that's a significant factor. And I don't have any problem with that: doctors should make a lot of money, given the investment they must make and the responsibility that they have.

Notwithstanding that I agree with much of what MeatPuppet says (Uh-oh. Will that make me a pariah here?), I am of the mind that we should adopt some system that ensures basic health care for everyone. This doesn't necessarily have to come at the expense of doctor's compensation. Someone will have to pay, of course, but I don't mind having some of my tax dollars go to this end (so long as - and certainly this is a significant qualifier - the system is one that metes out that health care more or less efficiently). I don't pretend to have acquired the knowledge of the problem that would be necessary to formulate a good solution, though.

[woodstocksez]

What better measure of the advancement of society than the polemic of priviledge becomes a paradigm of right?

On the other hand, prima noctae wasn't so bad, was it?

Yes, I agree. Also, Michael Moore is fat.

[MeatPuppet]

100k per year for insurance is an exaggerated number, that might exist in a handfull of states, but not in most.

This was in Texas a couple of years ago.

Whatever semi-socialized system we inevitably switch to, trust me on this one, doctors will still be payed a good wage. There is no way in hell most of them would buck up for 8 years of that bullshit without the financial incentive at the end.

If the doctors were the ones creating the new system, I would agree with you. But I rarely trust bureaucrats to get things like this right, and they are the ones making the decisions.

Probably right after having to fight cunts like you to get it?

Too many people let their heart eat their brain,

There isn't an amendment in the Bill of Rights that recognizes our right to health care. If there were one, I would support it's creation, even though I would still think it was a bad idea.

This is such an emotionally charged issue, it's difficult to have a rational conversation about it.

[woodstocksez]

IThis is such an emotionally charged issue, it's difficult to have a rational conversation about it. Too many people let their heart eat their brain, which is probably better than the other way around. But we would all be better off if neither happened.

And if you still think the guy (girl?) is an asshole after this, then maybe you should stop being such a sanctimonious, self-absorbed child.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Unfortunately, I think you're serious.

I'm just of the opinion that we should have some healthcare for all regardless of economic status. From wht MP wrote it seemed that he was saying that he supported a system where if you're able to afford healthcare then you get it...if you are not able to afford it then you don't. Sorry that went over your head.

[woodstocksez]

I'm just of the opinion that we should have some healthcare for all regardless of economic status. From wht MP wrote it seemed that he was saying that he supported a system where if you're able to afford healthcare then you get it...if you are not able to afford it then you don't. Sorry that went over your head.

No need to be sorry. It didn't. Thanks for your concern. You're a caring human being.

[Yonder_River]

If the doctors were the ones creating the new system, I would agree with you. But I rarely trust bureaucrats to get things like this right, and they are the ones making the decisions.

I would hope that they'd have the foresight to build fare compensation into the system....there would be an enormous shortage of doctors otherwise. Free market right?

But as it is now, there is a sizeable shortage of primary care physicians which is not due to the government, but to the amazing stinginess and bureaucracy of private business (HMO's, PPO's, etc.). Not an attractive field to go into right now.

Everything being equal, doctor's wages have gone down in the last decade and a half, and we have private business to thank for that, not the government (which is the root of all evils in your black and white world).

[Adolf Allerbush]

Thanks for your concern. You're a caring human being.

No problem and I do care. Case in point below.

[woodstocksez]

No problem and I do care. Case in point below.

You're hot!

[MeatPuppet]

^^^and Yonder_River seems to think there is something wrong with living in a black and white world

[Spats]

Look in the Gimp Central forum and count the surgeries at $10-20K+ each. Then realize that most of these knee and back surgeries are going to be degenerative arthritis in 20-30 years, which means a lot of joint replacements courtesy of Medicare. Anyone here who slags on Michael Moore for being a drain on the health care system is a hypocrite.

Under a completely unregulated health-care system, anyone who skis or snowboards, rides a motorcycle or a mountain bike, or engages in any other "extreme" sport would pay much higher premiums.

That means everyone here. Don't fool yourself.

[Yonder_River]

^^^and Yonder_River seems to think there is something wrong with living in a black and white world

Dood, I would totally live in THAT black and white world!

[cj001f]

Look in the Gimp Central forum and count the surgeries at $10-20K+ each. Then realize that most of these knee and back surgeries are going to be degenerative arthritis in 20-30 years, which means a lot of joint replacements courtesy of Medicare. Anyone here who slags on Michael Moore for being a drain on the health care system is a hypocrite.

Under a completely unregulated health-care system, anyone who skis or snowboards, rides a motorcycle or a mountain bike, or engages in any other "extreme" sport would pay much higher premiums.

That means everyone here. Don't fool yourself.

How dare you interject a little realty into the situation spats!

Are you suggesting there is a reason many policies exclude "high risk" activities such as mountaineering or backcountry skiing!? There couldn't be some fiscal reason for that! Not at all.



MeatPuppet-
your assertions are seriously farcical. You hate bureaucrats but think doctors would be fine? Many of the current bureaucrats are doctors.

[MeatPuppet]

MeatPuppet-
your assertions are seriously farcical. You hate bureaucrats but think doctors would be fine? Many of the current bureaucrats are doctors.

I don't hate bureaucrats, I just don't see any evidence that they can manage society better than society can manage itself. I will almost always expect that millions of people making decisions for themselves will make better decisions(as a whole) than a few people making decisions for them.

The less bureaucrats meddle in our personal lives, the better off we all are...for the most part.

Do you disagree?

[cj001f]

Do you disagree?

bureaucrats are a part of society. If you have doctors acting as bureaucrats they are bureaucrats, not doctors

[Jer]

Fact One: Michael Moore is a disgustingly fat lardass.

Fact Two: Michael Moore has huge psychological problems. It doesn't take a Ph.D to see that he is a complete narcisist.

Fact Three: Michael Moore is not a documentary film maker. He should be forced to surrender any and all awards he has been given for his "documentaries". It would be fine if he won an award for "best propeganda film" - he does make entertaining films, but they're not documentaries. I haven't seen Sicko, nor do I ever intend to. I've seen a few episodes of his Fox show he did years ago, I've seen Roger and Me, I've seen Bowling For Columbine and I've seen Farenhiet 911. That's enough for me - I feel really bad about contributing to his bank account by renting his DVDs. After watching a few of them it's easy to see his whole trip - he's great at editing footage to his advantage, that's about it.

Fact Four: Michael Moore is a complete hypocrit. He comes on like some working class hero in dirty jeans and a baseball cap. Truth is he's worth millions. He owns a penthouse in NYC and mansion in Michigan. How did he make his millions? By exploiting people and hoodwinking gullible idealistic dipshit liberals. He worked at the GM plant for one whole day. That's about the extent of his actual experience as one of the "working class". He makes guys like Rush Limbugh look like pillars of integrity.

Fact Five: Did I mention he's morbidly obese?

Fact Six: Anyone who falls for his act is a moron. Seriously, how gullible can you be? Ironic, some of the same idiots who believe everything they see in his propeganda pieces will spout off forever about how anyone who watches Fox News or listens to talk radio is a braindead zombie (not that they're not).

Fact six: Michael Moore is really really really really really fat.


I'm not posting here to talk about the US healthcare system. It's got it's good points and it has it's bad points. I wish it were cheaper. I also wish I didn't have to pay as much as I do in taxes. What I'm really here to talk about is how ridiculously fat Michael Moore is.

TGR Liberadouche with his panties in a knot: "uhh, dude, like, why do you have to rip on the guy's wieght problem? Sooo, like, uncool. Bad vibes, bro -------------badvibes--------------.

Jer: "Douche - Ann Coulter is a man. Rush Libaugh is a hypocrit ex-junkie. Rosie O'Donnel is a fat lesbo. Michael Moore is a gigantic lard ass with enough psychological problems to confound Sigmund Freud. Get over it, douchebag."


Oh yeah - he's pretty fat.