How to stop a gunman.....?

**Damian Sanders** · 04-20-2007, 06:57 AM

(This is a serious thread about a serious subject, so please show it the respect it deserves)

The Virginia Tech shooting made me wonder.....how could somebody go around a building and shoot 30+ people without someone stopping him? Did people try to stop him, but were shot? Haven't heard any news reports of that, but I haven't been following it that closely....so please let us know if there was. No disrespect to the victims, it was an incredibly difficult situation to be in, of course.

If put in a situation like that, I probably wouldn't have been able to do anything either, or have known what to do.....a very tough situation. In my daily life, I'm not in particular danger from crime (muggings, etc), nor a likely target, and I don't go around fighting people or shooting guns. Haven't been in a fight since high school, or shot a gun in over 10 years (only once). So, basicly I have no clue.

These shootings are extremely rare, and I'm not suggesting anyone be afraid of them. However, there is a chance that one day you will be put in a situation of mortal danger.....being attacked by someone with an intent to kill with a deadly weapon. Personally, I would rather not go out cowering under a desk.

I know there are a wide range of people on this board with related personal defense experience - military types, maybe even some police, martial arts experts, people who get in street fights, boxers, etc, etc. How would you deal with type of situation.......really. How would you recommend the average guy deals with this? Real tips - how do you know if you are actually in mortal danger, what can be used in a weapon, how do you ambush someone in a building, how do you attack them, how do you deal with the intial shock of the situation, how do you disarm someone, and then how to use the gun, etc, etc......?

Thanks.

**Rontele** · 04-20-2007, 07:00 AM

challenge him to a ski off?

**hemas** · 04-20-2007, 07:02 AM

Give him a reach around...

**Damian Sanders** · 04-20-2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Rontele

challenge him to a ski off?

You're a douche who no matter what the subject matter doesn't deserve my respect.

If you flame me in this thread, you're a complete loser, and a horrible human being.

Show some respect for a serious subject......at least I have the balls to bring it up.

I will not respond to any more attacks in this thread.............grow up.

**yodaottis** · 04-20-2007, 07:04 AM

In this situation I would most likely be shot as firearms are not allowed on my campus, meaning only a criminal/enraged psychopath can have them here.

**Rontele** · 04-20-2007, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Damian Sanders

If you flame me in this thread, you're a complete loser, and a horrible human being.

Show some respect for a serious subject......at least I have the balls to bring it up.

I will not respond to any more attacks in this thread.............grow up.

Its called the Padded Room, Jong.

**hairy** · 04-20-2007, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Damian Sanders

If you flame me in this thread, you're a complete loser, and a horrible human being.

Show some respect for a serious subject......at least I have the balls to bring it up.

I will not respond to any more attacks in this thread.............grow up.

I vote for the ski off, and there is no need to attack, you are a legend 'round these parts.....

**truckeelocal** · 04-20-2007, 07:34 AM

If you watch TV you'll find out it's doable.

**Andy_B** · 04-20-2007, 07:44 AM

Today, 8:57 AM
Damian Sanders
This message is hidden because Damian Sanders is on your ignore list.

Speak up, I can't hear you.

**skifishbum** · 04-20-2007, 07:47 AM

Step 1 Go see your local Armed Forces recruiter
Sign on dotted line
raise hand and be sworn in
They will teach you all you need to know in return for service to your country.
If this sounds like to much of a commitment
Try smoking them up and going skiing/riding, been doing this for years and haven't had a partner show any incling of wanting to gun down people yet.
Can we get a serious subject forum?

-a loser and horrible human being

**Trackhead** · 04-20-2007, 07:48 AM

Let students in school carry legal concealed weapons, then cap the FUCKER!

**truckeelocal** · 04-20-2007, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Trackhead

Let students in school carry legal concealed weapons, then cap the FUCKER!

Students tend to be smarter (then again I was a student once) and may know about more elements of the bill of rights than just the 2nd amendment. Hence they may take into account due process and may not think it's appropriate to act as judge, jury, and executioner even if they're packing. While this is going on in their mind "the FUCKER" caps them. Oh well. We live in a gun culture where Darwinian rules are suspended and the guy with the gun survives. And we wonder why America is dumbing down ?

**Viva** · 04-20-2007, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Damian Sanders

(This is a serious thread about a serious subject, so please show it the respect it deserves)

I'd throw my arm around your neck in a choke-hold, aproach gunman while pushing you in front of me, yell "Suck my balls, motherfucker!", then duck.

**biggins** · 04-20-2007, 08:04 AM

^^^ Yes, Highway Star body shield. Thread done. You are so crazy and wierd.

**truckeelocal** · 04-20-2007, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Viva

I'd throw my arm around your neck in a choke-hold, aproach gunman while pushing you in front of me, yell "Suck my balls, motherfucker!", then duck.

Have you seen something like that on TV ? Human shields ? Except do you know what type of bullets and how big a charge the gunman is using. Are you sure that a single human body will stop the bullet ? Well do you punk ? Do you feel lucky ?

**Andy_B** · 04-20-2007, 08:10 AM

^^ Well, Highway Star is very dense.

**DougW** · 04-20-2007, 08:13 AM

I don't have enough history with the thread starter to get all girly.

So... My wife and I have talked about this a fair bit in the past due to the Montreal shooting 10 years back. Guy went into Engineering school , sent all the guys out and shoot the girls, 10 or so I think. Now he only had a 22 semi. So yes I would hope to think that I would rush him rather than walk out. But in the heat of moment would you a. determine the size of bullet and b. come to a conclusion that he was going to shoot someone

**Tippster** · 04-20-2007, 08:15 AM

Clearly the only protection would be a grenade.... maybe a flamethrower.

**Ireallyliketoski2** · 04-20-2007, 08:19 AM

Who knows what I would do in that situation, most likely I'd jump out of a window, throw in a mute grab, and run away.

**MeatPuppet** · 04-20-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Damian Sanders

How would you deal with type of situation.......really. How would you recommend the average guy deals with this?

Run...as fast as you can.

Real tips - how do you know if you are actually in mortal danger, what can be used in a weapon, how do you ambush someone in a building, how do you attack them, how do you deal with the intial shock of the situation, how do you disarm someone, and then how to use the gun, etc, etc......?

Run.

Seriously. If you have the kind of training you would need to even think about trying to deal with something like this, you will know what to do.

Otherwise, you should get yourself, and as many other people as you can, as far away from the situation as possible.

There is no shame in running.

Hero=dead guy.

Edit: If all else fails, I like Viva's suggestion the best.

**truckeelocal** · 04-20-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by DougW

I don't have enough history with the thread starter to get all girly.

So... My wife and I have talked about this a fair bit in the past due to the Montreal shooting 10 years back. Guy went into Engineering school , sent all the guys out and shoot the girls, 10 or so I think. Now he only had a 22 semi. So yes I would hope to think that I would rush him rather than walk out. But in the heat of moment would you a. determine the size of bullet and b. come to a conclusion that he was going to shoot someone

A serious thought. If/when law 'enforcement' finally arrive who are they going to shoot ? They're in a stressfull situation. They going into harms way, as opposed to potential victims who are already there. If they're rushing into a potentially deadly situation I suggest they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. The answers may be somewhat fuzzy or downright wrong. Guy with gun ? Shoot. All guys (and girls ?) with guns are down ? Now which one(s) should we have shot ? Damn !

**Trackhead** · 04-20-2007, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by TruckeeLocal

A serious thought. If/when law 'enforcement' finally arrive who are they going to shoot ? They're in a stressfull situation. They going into harms way, as opposed to potential victims who are already there. If they're rushing into a potentially deadly situation I suggest they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. The answers may be somewhat fuzzy or downright wrong. Guy with gun ? Shoot. All guys (and girls ?) with guns are down ? Now which one(s) should we have shot ? Damn !

Same thing happened in Trolly Sqare last month. Shooter kills 5, off duty cop with gun holds guy off, Swat arrives, off duty cop identifies self and stays alive. Shooter is killed eventually by swat. Off duty cop only had 6-10 rounds to work with.

The off duty cop with the gun kept the gunman pinned down. Sure, he was a trained officer, but a civilian is trained to carry a concealed weapon. And that little pussy in the school would have had his panties in a wad had someone else been firing at him.

**smalls** · 04-20-2007, 08:25 AM

bo staff

**haydukelives** · 04-20-2007, 08:25 AM

a professor barricaded the door with his body, allowing his students to get out the windows. not mentioned in the worthless media.he was shot to death.

**Trackhead** · 04-20-2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by DougW

Now he only had a 22 semi. So yes I would hope to think that I would rush him rather than walk out. But in the heat of moment would you a. determine the size of bullet and b. come to a conclusion that he was going to shoot someone

Do you know what effect a .22 has on your left ventricle, or your aorta? Dead in about 5 seconds.