anybody here a vegan?

[philippeR]

Foie gras, unhealthy ? You gotta be kidding. What can be more healthy than eating a sick goose liver ?
An appropriate wine is everything that's needed to complete a nicely balanced meal. Add truffles for an intake of vegetable.

[scoober]

8th grade science... Yeasts are unicellular eukaryotic microorganisms classified in the kingdom Fungi

Thanks Wikipedia!

I am dumb.

[runethechamp]

WTF is wrong with corn? Don't tell me its causing global warming or something.

If you don't chew a kernel, it won't digest. It can then sit in your colon for some years until it gives you cancer. I have a picture of a piece of corn in my colon.

[PNWbrit]

all of my coworkers (many younger than me) sport double chins and huge bellies

you work for TSA?

[backpack]

the one thing that I've always found bizarre is that people will cut out beef/pork and yet keep the chicken, IMO chickens have the worst life under factory farming conditions of any common food animal.

It all depends on why you're not eating said beef and pork. If it's for animal rights reasons, then yea, it seems silly not to go full on vegetarian, but if you're trying to cut out the least efficient meat producing animals &/or those that produce the most waste/pollution, it makes sense.

I, for one, am on the "free range beef on public land is bad" bandwagon, so beef tends not to be for dinner. I also find the waste produced by current factory pig farms to be horrible, so bacon is a delicacy that I rarely indulge in.

Oh, and no shrimp. Farm raised or wild caught, it's bad news.

[hutash]

Foie gras, unhealthy ? You gotta be kidding. What can be more healthy than eating a sick goose liver ?
An appropriate wine is everything that's needed to complete a nicely balanced meal. Add truffles for an intake of vegetable.

Spoken like a true Frenchmen. As a nation you do know how to eat, and make wine. (and stay slim while doing it)

As to the double chins and big bellies referred to earlier, but is less about what you eat as about how much, and the French (and most euros) are a good example. Take about the nonvegans....

[Woodsy]

It all depends on why you're not eating said beef and pork. If it's for animal rights reasons, then yea, it seems silly not to go full on vegetarian, but if you're trying to cut out the least efficient meat producing animals &/or those that produce the most waste/pollution, it makes sense.

I, for one, am on the "free range beef on public land is bad" bandwagon, so beef tends not to be for dinner. I also find the waste produced by current factory pig farms to be horrible, so bacon is a delicacy that I rarely indulge in.

Oh, and no shrimp. Farm raised or wild caught, it's bad news.

you should check out North carolina and its neighbors as a reason not to eat chicken.
The concentrated animal-feeding operations there are just as bad and dangerous as the pig sheds in the midwest. Google Tyson and waste or something. its nasty.
and LB's point also is valid.

I go light on the dairy and cage free the eggs, but Cheese was the one thing I dearly missed when I was full vegan.

Vegan is latin for being a pain in your friend and family's ass.
unless you are a great cook that loves to entertain, I heart those vegans.

[altagirl]

the one thing that I've always found bizarre is that people will cut out beef/pork and yet keep the chicken, IMO chickens have the worst life under factory farming conditions of any common food animal.

I agree. I don't eat chicken, pork, dairy (from cows - I love the goat milk and cheese from our local goat dairy farm) or wheat anymore (and I limit corn). I make an exception for chicken wings which are allowed during a couple football games a year. And I'm not 100% consistent with the wheat, but I'd say I eat one small thing a day with wheat in it, which was a massive change from my previous diet. Cool thing is that I haven't gotten sick since cutting at least most of the wheat out of my diet, even when everyone around me has had the flu.

I would NEVER give up red meat, fish or seafood though...

My main goal with food is to eat as much raw, natural food as possible. And to not be a pain in the ass about it. For special occasions or going out, I just pick the best of whats available and enjoy it.

[Grange]

It all depends on why you're not eating said beef and pork. If it's for animal rights reasons, then yea, it seems silly not to go full on vegetarian, but if you're trying to cut out the least efficient meat producing animals &/or those that produce the most waste/pollution, it makes sense.

I, for one, am on the "free range beef on public land is bad" bandwagon, so beef tends not to be for dinner. I also find the waste produced by current factory pig farms to be horrible, so bacon is a delicacy that I rarely indulge in.

Oh, and no shrimp. Farm raised or wild caught, it's bad news.

Have you ever seen a poultry operation? I've reviewed EAs based on poultry operations and they have the same concerns of waste disposal as cow and pig operations. On larger operations they will produce a huge amount of waste (as much as most dairy farming operations).

Of coarse there is also a process called debeaking, but that gets back to animal rights.

On the bright side this thread reminded me I've got to pull the beef roast out of the freezer.

[Greydon Clark]

As to the double chins and big bellies referred to earlier, but is less about what you eat as about how much, and the French (and most euros) are a good example.

Replace one or two meals a day with nicotine and you’ll be skinny too.

[adam]

I agree. I don't eat chicken, pork, dairy (from cows - I love goat milk and cheese) or wheat anymore (and I limit corn). I make an exception for chicken wings which are allowed during a couple football games a year. And I'm not 100% consistent with the wheat, but I'd say I eat one small thing a day with wheat in it, which was a massive change from my previous diet. Cool thing is that I haven't gotten sick since cutting at least most of the wheat out of my diet, even when everyone around me has had the flu.

I would NEVER give up red meat, fish or seafood though...

My main goal with food is to eat as much raw, natural food as possible. And to not be a pain in the ass about it. For special occasions or going out, I just pick the best of whats available and enjoy it.

Why did you cut out wheat?

[lemon boy]

the beef thing about free range and public lands always strikes me as a little funny b/c here in Colorado it is much less prevalent than elsewhere (actually all of the people I know who really hate it come from UT). Cattle here (at least the ones I buy) are raised on a split diet of mostly privately owned pasture/grass and then in the fall/winter pastured on corn then grain fed in a feedlot. Plenty of problems at each step but raping public land isn't generally one of them.

Last night we had wild rice from MN, organic hippy roasted red peppers in o/o with garlic (homemade) and wild pheasant breasts stuffed with green chilies (hatch) and crumbled white mexican cheese, with bacon. OH YEAH!

[Adolf Allerbush]

the beef thing about free range and public lands always strikes me as a little funny b/c here in Colorado it is much less prevalent than elsewhere (actually all of the people I know who really hate it come from UT). Cattle here (at least the ones I buy) are raised on a split diet of mostly privately owned pasture/grass and then in the fall/winter pastured on corn then grain fed in a feedlot. Plenty of problems at each step but raping public land isn't generally one of them.

Last night we had wild rice from MN, organic hippy roasted red peppers in o/o with garlic (homemade) and wild pheasant breasts stuffed with green chilies (hatch) and crumbled white mexican cheese, with bacon. OH YEAH!

The probelem, IMO, about eating the cattle you are speaking of...and this is just for me...is the land use associated with raising those cows. The amount of land it takes to sustain a cow on "corn" in a feed lot for half the year is something like 20 times the amount of land it would take to sustain a person over the same duration of time. Just not a logical use of land...that could be used to raise crops to feed the world or returned to wilderness etc. Beyond that the waste they produce (a.k.a. shit) gets into rivers, streams, etc. The land use thing is part of the reason why some people go with the free range beef....but the free range beef is sometimes raised on public land. Hence why some people don't eat beef at all.

[altagirl]

Why did you cut out wheat?

Funny thing is a friend of mine recommended trying it for a few weeks to see how I felt. I figured hell, cutting out wheat cuts out most junk food too, so why not. And I did feel better.

Then I was discussing it with my mom, and she said that when I was a kid, I tested as being mildly allergic to wheat (and milk). But they figured giving me allergy shots was the easier way out than feeding me a special diet.

Anyway - it seems to make me feel better to not eat it, and I don't get sick. This year is the first time in my life I've not caught the colds my husband and or co-workers around me have had. So I'm sticking with it as much as possible.

[evrblazin]

vegans are wierd (not only becuase it's un-natural, but also because vegans act wierd) ... be a caveman and eat some protein as this is how we have survived as man for thousands of years... if you don't like this fuck you

[WWCD]

God built us in his image and that does not include eating Doritos or Super-value meals.

Are you trying to tell me that God can't appreciate good deal?

[Tuckerman]

The probelem, IMO, about eating the cattle you are speaking of...and this is just for me...is the land use associated with raising those cows. The amount of land it takes to sustain a cow on "corn" in a feed lot for half the year is something like 20 times the amount of land it would take to sustain a person over the same duration of time. Just not a logical use of land...that could be used to raise crops to feed the world or returned to wilderness etc. Beyond that the waste they produce (a.k.a. shit) gets into rivers, streams, etc. The land use thing is part of the reason why some people go with the free range beef....but the free range beef is sometimes raised on public land. Hence why some people don't eat beef at all.

That's one of my biggest reason not to eat cow. Its a economic reason.

[TJ.Brk]

+ = DINNER BABY!

[adam]

vegans are wierd (not only becuase it's un-natural, but also because vegans act wierd) ... be a caveman and eat some protein as this is how we have survived as man for thousands of years... if you don't like this fuck you

except that animals aren't killed the way the were then. in "prehistorical" (that phrase is so dumb) times, animals weren't kept in factory's, and clamped onto a milking machine. Even free range animals aren't treated like they should be, the FDA has very relaxed expectations as far as free range meats go. animal exploitation is wrong, and you know it.

[Tippster]

We the United States already (including land "wasted" on beef feed) are able to grow enough food to feed the world - mainly rice, wheat, and corn. The midwest farm belt is ENORMOUS - the largest such area in the world. Ukraine alone has enough open farm space to feed all of Europe.

Guess what - we actually do have the food to feed all the starving folks on the planet... the problem is getting it to the end user before it rots. One of the WTO issues right now has to do with Burkina Faso and potatoes. This smallish African country could grow all the potatoes the world needs - easily - and cheaper than any one else. Guess what the Idaho farmers think of that idea?

[Tippster]

except that animals aren't killed the way the were then. in "prehistorical" (that phrase is so dumb) times, animals weren't kept in factory's, and clamped onto a milking machine. Even free range animals aren't treated like they should be, the FDA has very relaxed expectations as far as free range meats go. animal exploitation is wrong, and you know it.

Jesus Christ, kid - they're food, not pets. We're talking about cows, not Weimeraners. I can understand the argument that pigs are smarter than dogs on average, and that this should be "respected,' but then I remember that I love ribs, pork chops, bacon, and shoulder roast and thus stop thinking about the poor fucking pig and remember that I am at the top of the food chain.

Wild Turkeys are considered by many to be the smartest game bird - Ben Franklin even proposed making it our National Bird instead of the scavenging flying rat called the Bald Eagle.... Then he ate one after he lost the vote.

[adam]

Jesus Christ, kid - they're food, not pets. We're talking about cows, not Weimeraners. I can understand the argument that pigs are smarter than dogs on average, and that this should be "respected,' but then I remember that i love ribs, pork chops, bacon, and shoulder roast and i stop thinking about the poor fucking pig.

Wild Turkeys are considered by many to be the smartest game bird - Ben Franklin even proposed making it our National Bird instead of the scavenging flying rat called the Bald Eagle.... Then he ate one after he lost the vote.

but why should there be any difference between how we feel about dogs versus other animals.

and i like soy products alot. they are very good.

[Tippster]

Because in our society Dogs are Pets, not food. Go to SE Asia and see how they feel about Fido. Hell, they may not be food but I've seen maybe one pure bred dog - read: pet - in Central America that didn't belong to an Anglo.

[Woodsy]

so Tipp man whats your answer to the 100of thousands of gallons of shit/feces that pollute the country side and rivers?

How about the antibiotics and insecticides required to raise pigs & chickens in their shoulder to shoulder constions of modern "farms"

and LB, deserts are not the place to raise livestock nor alfalfa, despite the subsidies to the contrary.

[72Twenty]

I like to take things apart and put them back together again. Is that vegan?