Utards: Avie in Silver Fork

[freshie247]

I'm glad everyone is alright ,I hope others take heed & be careful!

[phUnk]

Um, no. This is a text book case where training and thinking completely failed. These guys shouldn't be getting kudos for acting stupid. The only reason he is alive is luck.

The guys involved have either publicly or privately admitted that they ignored obvious warning signs of instability.

I'm quite sure Karl Stall was referring to the search and following rescue/revival of the buried victim as the "training and thinking" that made a difference.

There was luck involved, certainly. But it took both luck and the skills these guys had to make everything come out OK.

I'm sure you've never ignored any obvious warning signs out there. Kudos to you.

[GoldMember]

Um, no. This is a text book case where training and thinking completely failed. These guys shouldn't be getting kudos for acting stupid. The only reason he is alive is luck.

Ya know, shit happens out there. You can take all the precautions you think are appropriate and something can still happen. It's how a person deals with adversity when it hits them that matters. Maybe with some different decisions, they might not have been caught but we don't know the circumstances regarding that. The fact is, they did get caught but then put their experience, training, and equipment to work for them and all came out of it safe and alive. So saying it is only luck is absolute bullshit. The crew deserves huge kudos for the rescue. It's fortunate they all came out of this but it certainly wasn't just about luck. Back to your hole, friend.

[Treepinner]

Not much skill involved with following a modern beacon and getting a hit on the first probe. This should have been a multi-burial with possibly only one person to do the rescue of two others... that would take skill. If there was major trauma to Otter, or CPR was necessary, that would take skill. If they had to evac him from a remote area, that would take skill. They just followed a beeping light, dug a hole, and called for a helicopter. You all can bury your heads in the snow all ya want but that kid will have a father around due to luck and little more. Glad he made it out, of course.

[grizzle6]

Not much skill involved with following a modern beacon and getting a hit on the first probe. This should have been a multi-burial with possibly only one person to do the rescue of two others... that would take skill. If there was major trauma to Otter, or CPR was necessary, that would take skill. If they had to evac him from a remote area, that would take skill. They just followed a beeping light, dug a hole, and called for a helicopter. You all can bury your heads in the snow all ya want but that kid will have a father around due to luck and little more. Glad he made it out, of course.

Yep. Super easy to "follow a beeping light" when your buddy is buried under the snow and running out of air. No pressure. No reason to panic. It's like taking a sip of lemonade on a cool summer evening. Quite thoughtless, in fact...

[skibuminwyo]

treepinner really needs to ummmmmm go eat a d!ck? let's see if he would do any better. i have been working on my avie knowledge for six or 7 years and am still not sure that if i needed to i wouldn't panic. what a grrrrrrrr

[iceman]

Clearly Treepinner is right that a poor decision was made. Why he feels compelled to point out what everyone already knows, I'm not sure. And why he feels compelled to denigrate the well-executed rescue effort, which saved a life, well, I don't know that, either. And why he thinks it makes him seem like a big man to say what he has said can only be because he's a hater with a little dick. Clearly.

[ccwaskier]

Even using the best beacon, locating someone, probing and digging them out from 4 feet under quick enough to save a life takes skill and practice.

[GoldMember]

Not panicking under the circumstances is a result of practice and skills. Sure, it's fairly easy to find a transceiver in practice but in a real life setting, with the clock ticking, remembering to organize the search, make sure all the beacons are on receive, and implementing a successful search through avie debris is a lot different scenario than simply finding the beacon in a field. Just because the resulting burial didn't meet an individual's requirements to qualify as a true test of skills doesn't mean it wasn't a true test of the mettle of the rescuers.

In any event, I'm glad to see that all came out of this relatively good. Nice work to all of you.

[Buzzworthy]

The guys involved have either publicly or privately admitted that they ignored obvious warning signs of instability.

I'm quite sure Karl Stall was referring to the search and following rescue/revival of the buried victim as the "training and thinking" that made a difference.

There was luck involved, certainly. But it took both luck and the skills these guys had to make everything come out OK.

I'm sure you've never ignored any obvious warning signs out there. Kudos to you.

Treepinner, this ^^ says it quite well.

Nicely written Pstar.

[phUnk]

Treepinner, this ^^ says it quite well.

He's knows. He's just trolling with holier-than-thou bullshit. Whoop-de-doo.

[summit]

Missed this thread! Glad everyone got out of that!

[Blurreds_left_nut]

Not much skill involved with following a modern beacon and getting a hit on the first probe. This should have been a multi-burial with possibly only one person to do the rescue of two others... that would take skill. If there was major trauma to Otter, or CPR was necessary, that would take skill. If they had to evac him from a remote area, that would take skill. They just followed a beeping light, dug a hole, and called for a helicopter. You all can bury your heads in the snow all ya want but that kid will have a father around due to luck and little more. Glad he made it out, of course.

you are a worthless piece of panty waste. For you to pump this board with your rantings of conjecture is not only insensitve, but also useless. These guys obviously acted and thought with a sense of clarity you cannot even fathom . Their actions did save lives.

These guys are brothers, friends, skiers, and dads. Show some respect you deadbeat.

[RootSkier]

Show some respect you deadbeat.

Maybe there should be a rule that aliai aren't allowed to make serious call-outs.

[shamrockpow]

He's knows. He's just trolling with holier-than-thou bullshit. Whoop-de-doo.

It's trolling, but a lot of us are sure waiting to hear what happened out there after X's report and soul searching from the Y last year...

Obviously, good job on the rescue and thrilled that everyone made it out safely.

[Trackhead]

It's trolling, but a lot of us are sure waiting to hear what happened out there after X's report and soul searching from the Y last year...

Obviously, good job on the rescue and thrilled that everyone made it out safely.

One can only speculate so far on the decision making process that lead to the Silver Fork avy. But I think it's pretty obvious to us all that they realize they screwed up, something I think most of us have done at some point in our lives, but perhaps with lesser consequences.

I can say for myself, that over the last two seasons of touring 80-100 days/year, that I have put myself in about one potentially fatal avy scenario each year. And I'm sure many others here have too. In both cases, I knew the danger, but didn't act accordingly. One of the scenarios, I could have killed myself and my wife.

I consider myself a very conservative person, generally backing away or out of multiple scenarios that don't feel right. But we all make mistakes, and to ridicule someone for doing so is largely hypocritical.

[powstash]

X, I always knew you were a sound touring buddy and given the results of your beacon.rescue skills you can be my O-face gaper-gap wing man anytime. Looking forward to when you'll get back on the horse and ride.

[skiski]

But we all make mistakes, and to ridicule someone for doing so is largely hypocritical.

Well said.

[truth]

Not much skill involved with following a modern beacon and getting a hit on the first probe. This should have been a multi-burial with possibly only one person to do the rescue of two others... that would take skill. If there was major trauma to Otter, or CPR was necessary, that would take skill. If they had to evac him from a remote area, that would take skill. They just followed a beeping light, dug a hole, and called for a helicopter. You all can bury your heads in the snow all ya want but that kid will have a father around due to luck and little more. Glad he made it out, of course.

I think I can speak on behalf of the TGR community when I tell you to GO FUCK YOURSELF you STUPID FUCK.

[FNG]

Who fucking cares if the rescue was easy or hard? The important thing is that it was excecuted perfectly and saved a life. I have no idea how you can find negatives in that.

[pointedem]

Tree.

Serious question, answer honestly.

Have you ever been in a similar situation? Where you dug your good friend out of a large avalanche, full burial, no signs of him on top?

If so, you have some ground to stand on.

If not, you should shut the fuck up.

now that I think about it, you must be a beater. There is no way someone with any experience in the matter would post a comment like yours. Have a good one, beater.

[Trackhead]

Don't feed the retarded troll. It's like digging a hole in sand.

[pointedem]

true.

happy to see everything turned out ok.

[Trackhead]

A good recap of the incident on UAC.

[Tippster]

Don't feed the retarded troll. It's like digging a hole in sand.

A chicken in every pot and a dick in every thread...