Bill Clinton pwns Fox News

**Will** · 09-26-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by mr_gyptian

those fucks in the CIA wouldn't know a terrorist if one waltzed into Langley with a dynamite belt on.

I love this claim and I'm seeing it repeated more and more. Apparently, the present talk radio line is that the CIA, the Defense Department, and the rest of our intelligence services are filled with....

(wait for it)

Pinko American Hating De-feato-crats!

Originally Posted by Lawyers, Guns, & Money

Of the various cartoonish absurdities that we've had to endure over the past six years, the idea (cherished among wingnuts and their political representatives) that the CIA, FBI, and the other major intelligence organizations of the United States government are shot through with raving left-wing Chomskyites must rank among the most unlikely. Haig and others would have us believe that the Central Intelligence Agency has been operating, essentially, as an arm of the Democratic Party for the last six years, except maybe during the brief period in which the CIA inflated the WMD estimates, and even that can perhaps be written off as originating from the Lieberman faction. That the CIA, banned from some of the more liberal college campuses in America, recruits right of center candidates by both structure and inclination can conveniently be ignored. Reality cannot run counter to the claims of the Republican Party, whether that reality is reported by the CIA or by CNN. Any evidence of divergence is due solely to bias, ill will, and anti-Americanism.

**Mcwop** · 09-26-2006, 02:22 PM

That is it! I am gonna quote, and get you all with my quotes:

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
-Carl Sagan

In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
-Mark Twain

A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
-Albert Einstein

I love humanity but I hate people.
-Edna St. Vincent Millay

Take that!

**DaveTV** · 09-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Missing Sock

You think being called a jong from some tool is going to bother me? Try backing up the crap filled logic instead.

Better enjoy KO, if this guy doesn't stop riding O'Reilly's coattails and come up with something original he is going to be finding himself looking for another job.

I need to back nothing up for you, douchebag.

Try minding your own business..

**Missing Sock** · 09-26-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by DaveTV

I need to back nothing up for you, douchebag.

Try minding your own business..

sorry dude just calling a spade a spade thats all. I'll let you go back to your WJC circle jerk now.

**edg** · 09-26-2006, 04:12 PM

There was a circle jerk going on? Why do I always miss this things

edg

**MeatPuppet** · 09-26-2006, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Corky

Of course we're safer here in America...shit we better be after all of the added security measures...which no one is denying. As far as terrorism itself in the World, this is what the article said a little further down:

In addition, he said, "The Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives."

Yeah, I am sure it is. That is unfortunate by-product of the radical culture we are dealing with. This is the new cold war. It won't be fought with large numbers of troops and it won't be won overnight. It's going to be a long war.

**mr_gyptian** · 09-26-2006, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Will

PS - I just want to make a prediction: We will be taking military action against Iran before Bush leaves office. You heard it here first. If I'm wrong, let me know in 2 years.

I called this almost two years ago, but whatever.

Additionally, I don't think the CIA is filled with pinko's. Just incompetents. I'm sure we've got as many intel gathering people on the ground as we did when the embassy was seized by students in 1979. christ we didn't have intel back then and we put the Shah, there. A revolution happened and we didn't know.

communism fell and the CIA was surprised.

This isn't a new line from conservatives or liberals. how many times have Dowd/Corn/Salon/TNR/Marshall made fun of George "Slam Dunk" Tenet?

**AstroPax** · 09-26-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by belgian

Clinton interview with Chris Wallace:

Clinton is a very good actor, but you can always tell when he is lying...when he is being deceptive.

It starts with a change in his voice...you know...that serious "don't fuck with me" voice.

A shift in body position.

And then, out comes the finger routine....and the stone-cold eyes.

You know, he starts pointing and wagging his finger....beating on things...acting all serious and "down to business". That's the non-verbal part of the communication...the finger...he can't help it...it's an involuntary reaction to the lying.

As with the recent Fox/Wallace interview, he did the same finger and voice thing when he lied to the american public on January 26th, 1998:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...deny012798.htm

-Astro

**rideit** · 09-26-2006, 08:15 PM

interesting.
You ever watch Bush 'get down to business'?

At least he doesn't even know he is lying...that is the curse of intellect.

'Lying' will be revealed by history....and I highly doubt Bush will come out smelling like roses in the long run.
but you KNOW that....everyone with an active brain sees this pretty clearly.

**Jer** · 09-26-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Will

I love this claim and I'm seeing it repeated more and more. Apparently, the present talk radio line is that the CIA, the Defense Department, and the rest of our intelligence services are filled with....

(wait for it)

Pinko American Hating De-feato-crats!

Did ye nae get the memo, laddie?

... the war in Iraq has become a "cause celebre" for Islamic extremists ...

... the nation's most veteran analysts conclude that despite serious damage to the leadership of al-Qaida, the threat from Islamic extremists has spread both in numbers and in geographic reach.

"If this trend continues, threats to U.S. interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide,"
...
Bush said critics who believe the Iraq war has worsened terrorism are naïve and mistaken. (link)

The nation's most veteran analysts are naïve and mistaken. Bush says so.

13 · 09-26-2006, 08:42 PM

Again ... if a "hit" on OBL had succeeded, would 9/11 still have happened?

If we get OBL now, will we have succeeded in the "war on terror?"

Is it possible to catch all terrorists? If so, how? If not, why?

Originally Posted by AstroPax

Clinton is a very good actor, but you can always tell when he is lying...when he is being deceptive.

It starts with a change in his voice...you know...that serious "don't fuck with me" voice.

A shift in body position.

And then, out comes the finger routine....and the stone-cold eyes.

You know, he starts pointing and wagging his finger....beating on things...acting all serious and "down to business". That's the non-verbal part of the communication...the finger...he can't help it...it's an involuntary reaction to the lying.

As with the recent Fox/Wallace interview, he did the same finger and voice thing when he lied to the american public on January 26th, 1998:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...deny012798.htm

-Astro

Since you're so good at detecting lies and all, tell us how can we tell when Bush is lying.

**Rasputin** · 09-27-2006, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by mr_gyptian

I called this almost two years ago, but whatever.

Additionally, I don't think the CIA is filled with pinko's. Just incompetents. I'm sure we've got as many intel gathering people on the ground as we did when the embassy was seized by students in 1979. christ we didn't have intel back then and we put the Shah, there. A revolution happened and we didn't know.

communism fell and the CIA was surprised.

This isn't a new line from conservatives or liberals. how many times have Dowd/Corn/Salon/TNR/Marshall made fun of George "Slam Dunk" Tenet?

Wow, this IS enlightening, surely no one can deny cold hard facts like this!

Perhaps you will share the source of your knowledge of the awareness and effectiveness of the CIA. I'm sure it is a source they aren't aware of, seeing as they really don't pay attention to much of anything, and since your genious is something that those knuckleheads couldn't comprehend anyway. Do tell.

**Ripzalot** · 09-27-2006, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by bad_roo

What he attempted to do was refer his interlocutor to the one constant, the one view that could be deemed as the closest thing to an unbiased, expert opinion. That was the central tenet of his argument and one that can't really be impugned.

That smarmy enough?

so that "central tenet" is true even though the supporting facts can be shown to be false. reminds me of the liberals' defense of Michael Moore and F911. such integrity.

on smarminess...

Originally Posted by bad_roo

What is beyond any mature and reasoned argument is that the Clinton administration had a better handle on the realpolitik of the day than the Bush regime has ever maintained.

History will be a harsh judge on the current Bush presidency. It's tough to believe that some can't grasp this simple fact.

when you lead off a discussion like this, you cheaper your own argument. you use a smarmy ad hominem attack to smear your opponent, instead of presenting any facts. statements like yours just make you seem like a self-important buffoon. you did the same thing in the global warming discussion.

sorry man, i like you and all but in political discussions you suck.

**Dalit** · 09-27-2006, 02:05 AM

Exhibit a.