Bill Clinton pwns Fox News

[cj001f]

That's because all democrats are bible-hating gays.

edg

Don't forget about the 1-hr abortions and Rock n Roll

[PNWbrit]

In response to that, I would point you to Negroponte's own words on Monday.

"We are certainly more vigilant. We are better prepared," Negroponte said. "We are safer."

[AKA]

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1) Baseball players are using steriods. and
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I call bullshit!

[Tri-Ungulate]

waiting for what? another post that you will ignore the content and then call me a parrot for posting it from some *gasp* right wing source?

There is no "content" for me to ignore - neither in your original post, which referenced mostly opinions, very few facts, nor in any of your increasingly lame followups.

there is no personal opinion here. clinton either said credible things or he didn't (or a mix of the two). it is more than apparent from reading commentary that thoroughly refutes his words that he is spinning a lot of bullshit. what more do you want?

That's your personal opinion, shared by "Allahpundit" on "hotair.com" Most of his/her "facts" have been more than ably addressed - and found to be wanting on this very thread. You haven't even bothered to substantiate the "facts" Allahpundit puts up.

[4matic]

Wow- Olbermann is going off.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15004160/

Like him or not Olberman is very succinct writer. Fun to read.

[mr_gyptian]

I work for Clinton; So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me.... You don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic.... Dont make yourself sound like you do. Cos some Republicans believe anything they hear.

Congratulate your boss, the publicity whore that he is, on getting himself back in mix. I'm sure that in the coming weeks as the VRWC attack machine outs him, chapter and verse, on what an absolute foreign policy and national defense fraud he is/was your party's chances in November will be vastly improved.

What is it with former democrat presidents? do they ever learn to shut up?

[avacadotoast]

Congratulate your boss, the publicity whore that he is, on getting himself back in mix. I'm sure that in the coming weeks as the VRWC attack machine outs him, chapter and verse, on what an absolute foreign policy and national defense fraud he is/was your party's chances in November will be vastly improved.

What is it with former democrat presidents? do they ever learn to shut up?

ummmm...to my knowledge he went to that interview under the pretense they were going to discuss his very noteworthy fund raising efforts. He was then blindsided 3 questions in to answer this stuff...he was FORCED to come up with answers to this stuff in the hot seat and I think he did a pretty good job.

[Grange]

I don't know, that's a hypothetical. But to make an educated assumption, I suppose you could look back at the Clinton administration and analyze exactly how they reacted to the following terrorst attacks, and ask yourself how Clinton responded to...

...the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000

...the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

...the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel

...the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000

...the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors

Regardless, plenty of fault to go around.

Furthermore, you should stop blaming the world problems on the US Governemnt, dumbass! It's the terrorists and Islamo-fascism that you should be expending your energy attacking. Amazing, you just don't see the big pic...which is typical of a secular progressive such as yourself.

-Astro

Blaming the worlds problems on the US Government? Look who's talking. You're the one that faults the Clinton Adminstration for not doing enough against terrorism. Nevermind the fact he tried to send in the military. You're blaming the US Government.

Look at what Clinton did? Look at what Bush did after these same attacks. You want to claim Clinton didn't do enough and that he didn't treat terrorism as a serious threat. Well neither did Bush until 9/11. I bet any President would have gotten much tougher on terrorism after 9/11.

Calling me a dumbass and jumping to the conclusion that I'm a secular progressive is a personal attack. I'm not surprised. That's typical of Bush supporters. They like to attack the person in order to try and undercut the person's position.

[avacadotoast]

The reports you mention are(correct me if I am wrong) general statments about our overall safety since 9/11. In response to that, I would point you to Negroponte's own words on Monday.

"We are certainly more vigilant. We are better prepared," Negroponte said. "We are safer."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060926/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

Of course we're safer here in America...shit we better be after all of the added security measures...which no one is denying. As far as terrorism itself in the World, this is what the article said a little further down:

"The report, Negroponte said, broadly addressed the global terrorist threat, not just the impact of Iraq.
He told the audience that radicalism is being fueled by entrenched grievances in the Arab world, the slow pace of social and political reforms there and anti-U.S. sentiment.
In addition, he said, "The Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives."

[Missing Sock]

ummmm...to my knowledge he went to that interview under the pretense they were going to discuss his very noteworthy fund raising efforts. He was then blindsided 3 questions in to answer this stuff...he was FORCED to come up with answers to this stuff in the hot seat and I think he did a pretty good job.

The interview was to be 50% on clinton's iniative and 50% on other topics. When Bill went off the deep end after the third question they never had the opportunity to get back to the fund raising. A number of times Chris wallace asked if he would like to get back on the topic of the iniative Clinton refused.

Not sure he was blindsided. What did he really expect from the other questions? He should of known it wouldn't be a fluff interview.

[DaveTV]

Congratulate your boss, the publicity whore that he is, on getting himself back in mix. I'm sure that in the coming weeks as the VRWC attack machine outs him, chapter and verse, on what an absolute foreign policy and national defense fraud he is/was your party's chances in November will be vastly improved.
What is it with former democrat presidents? do they ever learn to shut up?

Hey MrG: Time to EBAY the ski gear, get your ahsse down to your local Army recruiter and "walk the walk" to back up all your pro-war talk. Whaddaya say? Pat Tillman did it..

[Missing Sock]

Hey MrG: Time to EBAY the ski gear, get your ahsse down to your local Army recruiter and "walk the walk" to back up all your pro-war talk. Whaddaya say? Pat Tillman did it..

This is as weak as saying because you didn't serve in the military you can't have an opinion on U.S. military actions.

Weak man.

[TomK]

[QUOTE=Spats;915765]Nice job, Will.
...You have to be *vigilant* in order to see this. You have to be *responsible*. You have to *check facts*. You have to do your duty as a goddamn American and *not believe everything you're told by the political party you like*, and *not cop out by saying "everyone lies, there are two sides to everything"*. No. Facts are checkable. They are correct or incorrect. And they don't change if you smirk or say them louder over and over....QUOTE]

Agreed - "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts." - Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

From the wikipedia artcle on Stephen Colbert's "Truthiness"
" we are divided between those who think with their head, and those who know with their heart."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

I observed back in the 90's that we had left the age of reason, and were back in an age of emotion for the big decisions and trends in western society and this trend has just gotten worse.

[bklyn]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1EUqJN_1ocU

[MeatPuppet]

Mildly NSFW is an animated sort of way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9goiD6Zq9E&NR

[Squirrel99]

ummmm...to my knowledge he went to that interview under the pretense they were going to discuss his very noteworthy fund raising efforts. He was then blindsided 3 questions in to answer this stuff...he was FORCED to come up with answers to this stuff in the hot seat and I think he did a pretty good job.

Exactly. Nothing more than a political stunt by Fox/GOP to force the issue.

This is not news- it's nothing more than a partisian attack.

[DaveTV]

This is as weak as saying because you didn't serve in the military you can't have an opinion on U.S. military actions.

Weak man.

okay you fucking JONG

[mr_gyptian]

Of course we're safer here in America...shit we better be after all of the added security measures...which no one is denying. As far as terrorism itself in the World, this is what the article said a little further down:

"The report, Negroponte said, broadly addressed the global terrorist threat, not just the impact of Iraq.
He told the audience that radicalism is being fueled by entrenched grievances in the Arab world, the slow pace of social and political reforms there and anti-U.S. sentiment.
In addition, he said, "The Iraq jihad is shaping a new generation of terrorist leaders and operatives."

as opposed to the jihadi's we shaped in the 70s that killed Sadat. No wait, it must have been the revolutionary students in Iran that took our citizens hostage. could it be the suicide bomber that drove his truck into the Marine Barracks in Beirut? No, no it must have been the terrorists that blew up a plane over Lockerbie, Scotland.

Fugg, I've got to be getting warmer.

lessee...

it must have been Ramsi yousef and his band of freedom fighters that attempted to bomb The World Trade Center in 1993. Wait, I've got it. It has to be the group that bombed two of our embassies. Hold on, I've got it. It was the group that drove a boat filled with explosives into one of our Naval Vessels. The same group that flew planes into buildings to the tune of 3000 dead???!!!!????!!!

Or could it be, that they are all the same people. That they hate us because we are everything they are not. That they've been trying for centuries to be like us and have failed miserably at every turn. That now that they have wealth beyond all imagination. Wealth that we found, developed, and ahve made valuable. All this wealth, and still failure. Failure as a society, failure as a culture, failure as a state.

At this point, lets take the Murtha/Kerry recommendation and get the fuck out of there. Let the shiite/sunni civil war go crazy. Give weapons to both sides. Let them snuff each other out. they can't appreciate democracy and freedom. Let the Sadr's run the place. Hell, why don't we arm the Kurds to the teeth, too. Let them get back at the Turks and the Sunnis. This could be fun.

those fucks in the CIA wouldn't know a terrorist if one waltzed into Langley with a dynamite belt on. I hope this leak turns out just like the Plame Affair. As if those asswipes don't waste enough of out money.

[freshies]

Like him or not Olberman is very succinct writer. Fun to read.

he is fucking awesome - he has been one of the true beacons of truth and thoughtful criticism in these days of mass propaganda and disinformation being spun from all sides....the simple inescapable fact is that GW is a coward, a liar and not man enough to accept any shred of responsibility for anything....and has his minions engage in attacks like this one on Clinton, to try and distract people from acknowledging the facts contained in this weeks NIE that clearly states this “war on terror” – Iraq – has made us less safe, not more. Clinton fought back and put that tool of Rove into place and spoke what most Americans are finally realizing: this administration has been an abject failure on multiple fronts, but none more so than it’s misguided war in Iraq.

[Spats]

Congratulate your boss, the publicity whore that he is, on getting himself back in mix. I'm sure that in the coming weeks as the VRWC attack machine outs him, chapter and verse, on what an absolute foreign policy and national defense fraud he is/was your party's chances in November will be vastly improved.

Once again mr_gyptian continues to throw mud without a shred of evidence to back it up, and despite being proved wrong over and over by verifiable facts in this very thread.

This is the standard Republican attack: keep repeating a lie over and over and over in a confident tone of voice and people will start believing it.

In summary: he is an amoral liar.

(Remember, people: mr_g is the same person that argued that water flows upstream and that Pinochet was a great leader.)

[rideit]

Chilean Pisco is pisswater.

[Will]

ask yourself how Clinton responded to...

...the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000

...the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five US military personnel

...the 1996 al-Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 US military personnel

...the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Africa, which killed 257 and injured 5,000

...the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured three US sailors

Ok. I will

1) He put the mother fuckers in jail. Yep.. he used police tactics! Which, as all right thinking people know, is not nearly as efficient as lobbing bombs into crowded population centers.

2-4) Ummm.... he launched cruise missles at OBL and his training camps. An action which was described as "wagging the dog" by the GOP at the time. See my quotes above.
He also used more of those damn inefficient police tactics which included quaint and outdated ideas like arresting people and trying them in a court. Real men of proper testicular fortitude laugh at such measures, so much more efficient to occupy whole countries instead, but it did have some results:

In a federal trial in New York City that ended in June 2001, Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-Owhali, Mohammed Odeh, Wadih el Hage, and Khalfan Khamis Mohamed were convicted of perpetrating the Nairobi bombing and were sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

Two Egyptian citizens, Ibrahim Hussein Abdel Hadi Eidarous and Adel Mohanned Abdul Almagid Bary, whose fingerprints were allegedly found on the letters claiming responsibility for the bombings, were arrested in London in 1999 by Scotland Yard at the request of the U.S. They were extradited and jailed.

Other alleged conspirators in custody include Khalid al-Fawwaz, a Saudi dissident who had been living in London since 1994. Al-Fawwaz was accused by the U.S. of helping Osama bin Laden to coordinate the attacks, and was ordered to be extradited. He denied the charges and remains in custody in London pending an appeal.[6],[7].

4) And finally, this one was attributed to OBL AFTER Clinton left office. It occured 3 months prior to Bush first term. Asked why he did not pursue OBL in the 9 months prior to 9/11 in response to the Cole attack El Presidente Muy Macho con Huevos Enormo (at pause from clearing brush) fumbled an answer about not wanting to bomb rubble. (That's the first time he's ever expressed the desire not to bomb something, as far as I can tell)

5) Oh... and although you didn't ask, I'll bring up the Bojinka plot. Which was stopped using those pesky police methods again. (as was the recent plot of the terrorists in Britan, those folks down in miami, and various other terrorist cells. In fact, the only active terrorists which we seem to have caught through our invasion of Iraq were the ones that we created by invading in the first place.)


PS - I just want to make a prediction: We will be taking military action against Iran before Bush leaves office. You heard it here first. If I'm wrong, let me know in 2 years.

[Spats]

This is also why Bush and the neo-cons are afraid of debates and the press -- the technique of "repeat lies over and over" doesn't work when someone can actually ask you clarifying questions.

Clinton had facts to back him up when he got attacked, and completely owned Wallace. Bush has none...all he can do is repeat "9/11...9/11...terrorists..." like a child's pull-toy.

In case no one noticed, Fox served a takedown notice on YouTube for all the Clinton interviews, and you can't see the whole thing anywhere on their site -- just parts of it edited to make Clinton look angry without showing Wallace goading him first.

Fox hasn't bothered to serve takedowns for the other thousands of videos on YouTube, just these...showing once again that they are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican right.

[Missing Sock]

okay you fucking JONG

You think being called a jong from some tool is going to bother me? Try backing up the crap filled logic instead.

Better enjoy KO, if this guy doesn't stop riding O'Reilly's coattails and come up with something original he is going to be finding himself looking for another job.

[IGigron]

Just a note - 9-11, WTC1, USS Cole, Kenya etc was the fault of the Al Queda idiots who pulled it off, that's it.

But I agree with Oberman on this - Clinton got in trouble for speaking too much truth. The right wing calls the left PC when they do it. It's the same thing though - intolerance of opinions and speech other than their own. They've institutionalized it at this point - it's called Homeland Security and they're probably listening in on this very post. Clinton was ambushed and probably reacted a bit emotionally for sure (at least for him).

That said, Bush and especially Condi Rice (because it was her job) do need to be called to task for their ineptitude in the face of the impending crisis they failed to acknowledge, recognize and prepare for. Listen to Richard Clarke on this one because he was there and he worked for Republicans and Dems. They didn't want to upset the applecart because the economy was teetering after the market bubble. It appears they suppressed negative information and failed to act and prepare. Same thing happened with Katrina and hurricane prep - they failed to do the drills and mockups that would have made a difference in the response. There's a pattern of lack of leadership there.

The right wing fools who try and blame Clinton for what happened while their boy was in there are simple partisans in denial.

If he had a failure it was he didn't tell Congress to screw when they were investigating his marital problems.