Bill Clinton pwns Fox News

[365wp]

He's a little defensive, no?

Wonder why.

[Cono Este]

Dude maybe you should have your own forum and you could be in charge of what everyone talks about.

Would you spell check it for me?

[Tri-Ungulate]

you're quoting an article from the BBC, that references a NYT article that is taking leaked inteligence out of context?

Taking the Negroponte line, I see.

What part of

An opening section of the [National Intelligence Estimate] report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

is out of context?

[Tuckerman]

How so?......

For one Saddam Hussein is no longer in power and wanting you dead. Even if it was a Army backed by Wrist Rockets. Thats one less wacko haten.

[powder11]

that interviewer is a poster child for the neo-con movement, Clinton shoulda slapped that little biatch. the monday morning quarterbacking by Fox news is weak sauce.

Bush did fuck all to go after Bin Laden prior to 9/11. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. What has Bush done since? invade Iraq?

[greg]

Anyone who has read Richard Clarke's book will probably recognise the irony that it traces the rise of global terror to the Reagan administration's failure to retaliate against the 1982 Beirut bombings, fuelling the perception around the world that the United States was vulnerable to such attacks.

Fast forward a quarter of a century and the nature of asymmetrical warfare has demonstrated that willingness to engage, in Afghanistan and Iraq for example, is now the clearest way the US could have flagged its vulnerability. The legacy of armed forces procurement policy that remains rooted in the Cold War is but one example of how ill-equipped Western nations are to deal with this threat.

that was actually the smartest comment i've read on this subject for quite a while.. (if I got you right)

[edg]

For one Saddam Hussein is no longer in power and wanting you dead. Even if it was a Army backed by Wrist Rockets. Thats one less wacko haten.

I guess you've never heard of Hydra, then?

edg

[tuffy109]

Safer yes safe no.

yeah, in fucking new hampshire.

"uh oh, that cow's looking mightly suspicious."

[edg]

yeah, in fucking new hampshire.

"uh oh, that cow's looking mightly suspicious."

Don't joke - it could be Canadian, eh.

edg

[greg]

yeah, in fucking new hampshire.

"uh oh, that cow's looking mightly suspicious."

that was actually the funniest comment i've read on this subject for quite a while..

sorry, couldn't resist.

[PNWbrit]

you're quoting an article from the BBC, that references a NYT article that is taking leaked inteligence out of context?

How is a consensus view of 16 spy agencies that conclude the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the September 11 attacks out of context?

[PNWbrit]

For one Saddam Hussein is no longer in power and wanting you dead. Even if it was a Army backed by Wrist Rockets. Thats one less wacko haten.

Can't really argue with that kind of stoopidity.

[13]

Question: Had the "hit" on OBL succeeded at Tarnak, would 9/11 have still happened? Consider that KSM had been planning the attacks for a long fucking time, my friends.

If I recall correctly, the Afghani guerillas were ready to swoop in and take him out, but the CIA called it off due to the presence of women & children @ Tarnak farm.

As a moderate republican, I have a shit-ton more respect for a man who can admit his failures (Clinton) than a man who has yet to admit his failures (Bush).

[Tuckerman]

I guess you've never heard of Hydra, then?

edg

Hydra
by Ron Leadbetter
The Hydra which lived in the swamps near to the ancient city of Lerna in Argolis, was a terrifying monster which like the Nemean lion was the offspring of Echidna (half maiden - half serpent), and Typhon (had 100 heads), other versions think that the Hydra was the offspring of Styx and the Titan Pallas. The Hydra had the body of a serpent and many heads (the number of heads deviates from five up to one hundred there are many versions but generally nine is accepted as standard), of which one could never be harmed by any weapon, and if any of the other heads were severed another would grow in its place (in some versions two would grow). Also the stench from the Hydra's breath was enough to kill man or beast (in other versions it was a deadly venom). When it emerged from the swamp it would attack herds of cattle and local villagers, devouring them with its numerous heads. It totally terrorized the vicinity for many years.

Hydra

Heracles journeyed to Lake Lerna in a speedy chariot, and with him he took his nephew and charioteer Iolaus, in search of the dreaded Hydra. When they finally reached the Hydras' hiding place, Heracles told Iolaus to stay with the horses while he drew the monster from its hole with flaming arrows. This brought out the hideous beast. Heracles courageously attacked the beast, flaying at each head with his sword, (in some versions a scythe) but he soon realized that as one head was severed another grew in its place. Heracles called for help from Iolaus, telling him to bring a flaming torch, and as Heracles cut off the heads one by one from the Hydra, Iolaus cauterized the open wounds with the torch preventing them from growing again. As Heracles fought the writhing monster he was almost stifled by its obnoxious breath, but eventually, with the help of Iolaus, Heracles removed all but one of the Hydras' heads. The one remaining could not be harmed by any weapon, so, picking up his hefty club Heracles crushed it with one mighty blow, he then tore off the head with his bare hands and quickly buried it deep in the ground, placing a huge boulder on the top. After he had killed the Hydra, Heracles dipped the tips of his arrows into the Hydras' blood, which was extremely poisonous, making them deadly.

Other versions say that while Heracles fought the Hydra the goddess Hera sent down a giant crab which attacked his feet). This legend comes from a marble relief dating from the 2nd century BCE found at ancient Lerna, showing Heracles attacking the Hydra, and near his feet is a huge crab. Also other legends say that a stray arrow set alight the forest, and it was the burning trunks which Heracles ripped up and used to cauterize the open wounds.

[AKA]

More importantly did anyone see the Clinton interview on Meet The Press?

God I wish I could vote for him in '08

[edg]

Hydra
by Ron Leadbetter
The Hydra which lived in the swamps near to the ancient city of Lerna in Argolis, was a terrifying monster which like the Nemean lion was the offspring of Echidna (half maiden - half serpent), and Typhon (had 100 heads), other versions think that the Hydra was the offspring of Styx and the Titan Pallas. The Hydra had the body of a serpent and many heads (the number of heads deviates from five up to one hundred there are many versions but generally nine is accepted as standard), of which one could never be harmed by any weapon, and if any of the other heads were severed another would grow in its place (in some versions two would grow). Also the stench from the Hydra's breath was enough to kill man or beast (in other versions it was a deadly venom). When it emerged from the swamp it would attack herds of cattle and local villagers, devouring them with its numerous heads. It totally terrorized the vicinity for many years.

Hydra

Heracles journeyed to Lake Lerna in a speedy chariot, and with him he took his nephew and charioteer Iolaus, in search of the dreaded Hydra. When they finally reached the Hydras' hiding place, Heracles told Iolaus to stay with the horses while he drew the monster from its hole with flaming arrows. This brought out the hideous beast. Heracles courageously attacked the beast, flaying at each head with his sword, (in some versions a scythe) but he soon realized that as one head was severed another grew in its place. Heracles called for help from Iolaus, telling him to bring a flaming torch, and as Heracles cut off the heads one by one from the Hydra, Iolaus cauterized the open wounds with the torch preventing them from growing again. As Heracles fought the writhing monster he was almost stifled by its obnoxious breath, but eventually, with the help of Iolaus, Heracles removed all but one of the Hydras' heads. The one remaining could not be harmed by any weapon, so, picking up his hefty club Heracles crushed it with one mighty blow, he then tore off the head with his bare hands and quickly buried it deep in the ground, placing a huge boulder on the top. After he had killed the Hydra, Heracles dipped the tips of his arrows into the Hydras' blood, which was extremely poisonous, making them deadly.

Other versions say that while Heracles fought the Hydra the goddess Hera sent down a giant crab which attacked his feet). This legend comes from a marble relief dating from the 2nd century BCE found at ancient Lerna, showing Heracles attacking the Hydra, and near his feet is a huge crab. Also other legends say that a stray arrow set alight the forest, and it was the burning trunks which Heracles ripped up and used to cauterize the open wounds.

See where I'm gettin' at?

edg

[tuffy109]

Hydra
by Ron Leadbetter
The Hydra which lived in the swamps near to the ancient city of Lerna in Argolis, was a terrifying monster which like the Nemean lion was the offspring of Echidna (half maiden - half serpent), and Typhon (had 100 heads), other versions think that the Hydra was the offspring of Styx and the Titan Pallas. The Hydra had the body of a serpent and many heads (the number of heads deviates from five up to one hundred there are many versions but generally nine is accepted as standard), of which one could never be harmed by any weapon, and if any of the other heads were severed another would grow in its place (in some versions two would grow). Also the stench from the Hydra's breath was enough to kill man or beast (in other versions it was a deadly venom). When it emerged from the swamp it would attack herds of cattle and local villagers, devouring them with its numerous heads. It totally terrorized the vicinity for many years.

Hydra

Heracles journeyed to Lake Lerna in a speedy chariot, and with him he took his nephew and charioteer Iolaus, in search of the dreaded Hydra. When they finally reached the Hydras' hiding place, Heracles told Iolaus to stay with the horses while he drew the monster from its hole with flaming arrows. This brought out the hideous beast. Heracles courageously attacked the beast, flaying at each head with his sword, (in some versions a scythe) but he soon realized that as one head was severed another grew in its place. Heracles called for help from Iolaus, telling him to bring a flaming torch, and as Heracles cut off the heads one by one from the Hydra, Iolaus cauterized the open wounds with the torch preventing them from growing again. As Heracles fought the writhing monster he was almost stifled by its obnoxious breath, but eventually, with the help of Iolaus, Heracles removed all but one of the Hydras' heads. The one remaining could not be harmed by any weapon, so, picking up his hefty club Heracles crushed it with one mighty blow, he then tore off the head with his bare hands and quickly buried it deep in the ground, placing a huge boulder on the top. After he had killed the Hydra, Heracles dipped the tips of his arrows into the Hydras' blood, which was extremely poisonous, making them deadly.

Other versions say that while Heracles fought the Hydra the goddess Hera sent down a giant crab which attacked his feet). This legend comes from a marble relief dating from the 2nd century BCE found at ancient Lerna, showing Heracles attacking the Hydra, and near his feet is a huge crab. Also other legends say that a stray arrow set alight the forest, and it was the burning trunks which Heracles ripped up and used to cauterize the open wounds.

well, i'm guessing he's at least heard of wikipedia.

[Tuckerman]

See where I'm gettin' at?

edg

We should spread crabs.

[edg]

We should spread crabs.

Shit, I could do with some crab claws right now.

edg

[bagtagley]

Shit, I could do with some crab claws right now.

edg

You don't like the legs too? What are you, a communist?

[Natedogg]

Damn... dude is sharp as a tack and vicious as a pit bull. Plug 'im back in to the Matrix. We need him.

[boarddad]

Well, see - it's easy to say in retrospect that we shoulda canned OBM way back when, before 9/11. But really, could the US have gotten the go-ahead to invade a sovereign nation (run by crazies, true, but nonetheless sovereign) on the strength of the USS Cole, the embassy attacks and OBM's declaration of war?

No fucking way.

As it was, Clinton got shit for "wagging the dog" for the missle attack from a right wing obsesed with where he'd put his cigar. Plus it wasn't even very easy to get the overflight permissions from Pakistan to send the missles in.

Not that I don't agree with you (because I do), but that's not what Clinton said yesterday. He should have, but he didn't.

[Danno]

Damn... dude is sharp as a tack and vicious as a pit bull. Plug 'im back in to the Matrix. We need him.

Clinton was easily the most disappointing president of my lifetime.

That having been said, he also was the best president in my lifetime. And yeah, better than any schmoe that we'll get to choose in 08.

[Spats]

Here are the facts: Clinton attacked Afghanistan and Syria in an attempt to kill OBL and other terrorists.

(Edit: See Will's posts on page 5, where he summarizes much better than I did. I'm leaving my post here, but you should read his first.)

Sen. Dan Coats, R-Ind., accused Clinton of "lies and deceit and manipulations and deceptions." Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., suggested that Clinton may have had more than national security on his mind in deciding to bomb. The Republicans were divided between fighting terrorism and figuring out more ways to bring up Monica Lewinsky -- which was clearly more important at the time.

Here's an original news article from 1998:
http://partners.nytimes.com/library/...attack-us.html

Neo-con revisionists: SUCK IT. Your tireless efforts to rewrite history don't make it here.

(Note: I'm not a Clinton fan -- but W makes Clinton look like Thomas Jefferson.)

[HotDiggity]

For one Saddam Hussein is no longer in power and wanting you dead.

Yeah, thank GOD! I hear Saddam had my picture on his palace wall and had a bowl of sarin soup with my name on it. Funny thing, though...when we went to find the soup it had disappeared! We know he had it 'cause we gave it to him. Where could it be?

Now what we have is a mess of a war with as many US soldiers killed as those who died on 9/11. We have an administration who projected war costs of $60 billion (White House economic advisor Lawrence Lindsey was effectively fired for suggesting that the war might cost up to $200 billion). And now many economists say could have an ultimate price tag of up to $2 Trillion! That's a bargain for being LESS safe for our efforts.

Why the fuck are we still arguing about Bill Clinton. Our government has failed us and the Republican party is at the helm. I'm not suggesting Democrats are our savior, but I reasonably think they could do less badly.