To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[XXX-er]

and paint it ^^ black

so if CDC does not issue a recommendation doesnt the whole thing just fall apart and nobody gets a Vax ?

[wooley12]

If the CDC does not recommend insurance wont pay for it. Fewer will get the vax. More will get the rona. Just heard the guy with worms in his brain say he did not take vax from anybody because they can pay for it. Then blathered about lack of long term studies of vax data yada yada yada.

[Danno]

You might want to confirm that with your insurance company. We're still waiting for the CDC's recommendation which I believe is the one the insurance companies have to go by. However, afaik there's nothing to keep the insurance company from covering for lower risk patients if they decide it's in their financial interest to do so. You might have to get the vaccine from your doctor though--I suspect pharmacies will not be willing to administer vaccine off label--ie to low risk people.

Our governor just issued a proclamation that pharmacies do not need a prescription to offer the vaccine. So maybe it will all be good. In any event, I just had covid so there's not much benefit to the vaccine right now.

[The SnowShow]

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That same guy didn’t know how many people died of Covid in the US. Are we winning yet?

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1.1 million

[skaredshtles]

That same guy didn’t know how many people died of Covid in the US. Are we winning yet?

Well, that's because of the "data chaos" or some such bullshittery he made up.

[Trackhead]

High risk of what? Death?

Can somebody share a scientific evidence-based link that ties the new recommendation and guideline to be reflective of risk?


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I know anecdotal evidence from direct daily experience isn’t enough scientific rigor for TGR, but guidelines should match risk, and they now match pneumococcal vax guidelines that have been in place long before current admin.

It’s the right thing to do, it’s logical, and reflects real world risk.


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[riser4]

Long covid is a thing. I gave never heard of long pneumonia. Plus there's the part where scientists had to be overruled to get to the new guidelines.

[mcski]

Also, flu shots are not age restricted to the olds. So It really makes no sense that Covid should be. That’s the correct analogy not the pneumonia vax

[bodywhomper]

What is the risk that is being assessed? Personal risk? Societal risk? Economic risk? Risk of fatal outcomes? Risks of infections? Risk of new variants due to high societal infection rates? Risk of adverse side effects from the vax? Risk of long term complications from infection?

How’s insurance going to react for people that stretch the truth and claim they have a risk factor in their form?

Quickly looking online, I see the president of the infectious disease society of America stating that the new guidelines “puts the entire American population at risk for severe COVID disease and the complications associated with it.” Many experts are stressing the importance for the vax booster to be easily available for all children. Osterholm has been discussing in interviews the early mistakes of not emphasizing vaxing children because of the response for children to the early variants while omicron has very different severe outcome for children, and there’s unclear outcomes for children with the next variants.


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[skaredshtles]

Long covid is a thing. I gave never heard of long pneumonia. Plus there's the part where scientists had to be overruled to get to the new guidelines.

I think "long pneumonia" is death, is it not?

[Mofro261]

Long covid is a thing. I gave never heard of long pneumonia. Plus there's the part where scientists had to be overruled to get to the new guidelines.

Well Im glad you are now educated that long pneumonia* has always been a thing. * Causes include bacterial, viral, or fungal infections that persist in a chronic state. This is a different chronic condition than say the rockin pnuemonia or the boogie woogie flu.

[bodywhomper]

Do not forget long dong silver….

Hotez: https://www.bakerinstitute.org/resea...d-their-impact

[XXX-er]

At what point will America be considered the 3rd world ?

[riser4]

At what point will America be considered the 3rd world ?

Yes.

[Trackhead]

At what point will America be considered the 3rd world ?

Looks like all of the first world follows the same guidelines, including Canada.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929


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[XXX-er]

Its always been really easy to check the bloood pressure/ drop in for a vax at the safeway pharmacy when i am buying food & booze, make some vax jokes with the pharmacist cuz he is a sharpguy

the USA a world leader in something ? but they seem conspicuously absent from that list ?

the 3rd world canont be that far away

[Trackhead]

Its always been really easy to check the bloood pressure/ drop in for a vax at the safeway pharmacy when i am buying food & booze, make some vax jokes with the pharmacist cuz he is a sharpguy

the USA a world leader in something ? but they seem conspicuously absent from that list ?

the 3rd world canont be that far away

It’s a list made by the authors, published in the New England Journal of Medicine. The U.S. guidelines essentially match those countries.

[old goat]

Preventing death is not the only reason to get vaccinated. I've been getting annual flu shots since I had a particularly bad case of flu in med school. I'd rather not feel that bad again. I have had Covid twice despite all the shots. Again, I'd rather not feel that bad again, and I'd really not feel as bad as I would have felt without the shots. If there was a shot for the common cold I'd get that one too. Just think of the economic benefit of people not missing work from being sick--easily worth the cost of the shots. The approach I'd take is to push vaccines for high risk groups and make them available and covered for everyone else. And I'd rather the decision not be made by a drug abuser lawyer with a worm in his brain.

[civilcoconut]

Trackhead, It's about the process and the credibility of the people making the decisions.

That global recommendation graphic is interesting. Seems it sort of obfuscates the issue at hand because it appears to me in at least some of those countries, I checked AU, you can still get a free, no questions asked booster if you are a healthy 18-64 y.o. It's the difference between "eligible" and "recommended". Seems like we are more restrictive because it's going to come out of pocket if insurance companies don't cover pending CDC's recommendations, which will naturally reduce booster uptake.
Prasad has some interesting views, some I disagree with, like the Gov's CoVID response was comparable to the rise of the 3rd Reich and some I do, like conducting large scale CoVID vaccine trials, moving the vaccines out of EUA and using scientific evidence to make medical decision.

All of this being pushed by a guy (Kennedy) who has made a litany of claims not based in science. I wish he would just stick to getting addictive food out of peoples diets. https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/c...ur-vaccination

[byates1]

I'm here for the full blown aids

[ötzi]

Well Im glad you are now educated that long pneumonia* has always been a thing. * Causes include bacterial, viral, or fungal infections that persist in a chronic state. This is a different chronic condition than say the rockin pnuemonia or the boogie woogie flu.

For those you gotta call Lowell:

[uglymoney]

Point of note. Wife and I (54 and 50) received flu and covid jabs at CVS this morning as we have done every year since the pandemic. We both checked the box so we qualified. My box might or might not be questionable, but no questions were asked.

Daughter (15) was unable get her covid shot at CVS but did get her flu shot. We will try Walgreens for her. She has a bit of a cough right now so probably better to wait anyway.

Insurance seemed to click through just fine. No payment was required.

I've seen people comment on Bluesky that Iowa is one of the easier states to get the jab right now.

[jono]

Just think of the economic benefit of people not missing work from being sick--easily worth the cost of the shots.

This right here is why the anti-vax movement gets foreign funding--it's a really solid investment for those competing with the US. As Bill Gates has said many times, the best ROI available in lives/$ is giving vaccinations in low income countries (soon to be us). And as Sun Tzu said, know your enemy: foster dissent and discontent and drive down the efficiency of his economy. (See the modern Chinese doctrine of Unrestricted Warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare )

The sick thing about this "debate" is how obvious the evidence is. Best-vaccinated had 1/10th the all cause mortality versus unvaccinated well into 2023. And these evil corporations are still funding lottery-level payments to the rare victims of severe vaccine side effects: how can they possibly afford to do that when all they care about is money? Because it's lottery-level rare, obviously.

I'm less concerned than some about insurance. Insurance companies should know how to make money, and it's not by skimping on vaccines.

[XXX-er]

how its always worked in BC is they announce vax is available for the old folks 1st, you dont just go wily nily getting stabbed by a random pharmascist every shots is tracked by your BC medical # so big brother knows every shot you got and every bit of free medical treament you recieve


I heard they will even be giving shots to Albertans cuz their Trump wanabe premier is charging 100$ for them claiming vax were thrown away and wasted but why not just organize it better instead of playing to the whacko nut jobs ?