Moment Skis Discussion

[jslattsbham]

I couldnt find anything on my DW104 blems other than maybe the crow not lining up perfectly between the left and right ski and Im not even sure thats the blemish. Id buy blems for every ski if I could.

I have some commander 98 blems that did have a noticeable ding on the top tip of the ski. After a few days of skiing though, it was nicely blended in with all the other damage I cause to my top sheets by my sloppy form.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Moving on from last years ghost trains. DM me if interested. Mounted OTL for a Salomon strive 16 for a 313. For some reason I cant edit my GS post. So I put here.

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/78208464

[Jadams_]

Is everyone sizing similar for the Meridian and CB? I felt really comfortable on the 186 CB (could have gone 193 if I wanted more big mountain application) and, due to that, am thinking the 187 is going to feel just right.

If you are sticking to the rec mount point I would definitely say get the 187s. If you move them back a smidge the 181s would also probably feel similar to the CBs in terms of how the manuever.

[Muggydude]

I’m on the larger end at Two Hundred Fifteen + lbs and really liked the one eighty one meridian, and didn’t feel the need to upsize. Only in deep pow do I think I might be undergunned on them, but for variable/day after the storm type skiing, shorter is better IMO. I have bigger skis for deeper days

[Pugwash881]

These are being sold on my local marketplace. The seller calls them Moment Omens but I cannot see them in any of the old catalogs and a reverse image search comes up blank. Has anyone seen these before or can ID them? https://ibb.co/wh0X87Kw

[tenB]

^^ Looks like an M1 but I do not recognize that graphic. Maybe Melee can identify them. Either way somebody should give those a home and ski em.

[headwall]

Thats the Ruby, sort of like a Deathwish before it had Triple Camber and I dont think it had a lot of rocker either.

https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/moment-ruby-2010

[pappag]

Dimensions on those should be 140-111-129 ... or thereabouts.

[Sokolva]

Searching for the Moment Ghost trains in 168 cm, anyone have any leads or a pair they are willing to sell? They havent sold them in this length for a really long time, since around 2014 to perhaps 2017, but I would love to add these to my quiver as my dedicated pow ski, and as a petite woman skier, the current sizes will never work for me. I know its a long shot, but I figured the other Moment fans on this forum might be able to help me with this if anyone can.

[Poorhouse]

I've got a couple days on my 186 Ghost Trains and feel like the mounting point is a bit off.Verified the measurements and mount. I'm on the factory -5 line. Same as my 184 Deathwishes. I've been on them for 4 years and they felt perfect right out of the box.The GTs I've had out in a couple 3-6" cement days and one 12" + almost blower day. They are fun in the cement, carving back to the lift on groomers I feel like I'm at the front of the arc. Something I haven't experienced before. On the DWs I feel like I'm in the center of the arc. I realize neither is a carving ski, this is just laying them over at speed when cruising. Feels like more of the turn is happening behind me on the GTs.On the almost blower day I got some serious tip dive. Anything flat or low speed I had to get hard in the back seat to get them to plane. Better in steeper terrain at speed. In one steep tree section I had a tip dive hard and almost spin me around. This is counter to everything I've ready about the skis. Could be me but I've got many days on the DWs in deep snow and never had a tip dive issue. One review on the Moment website indicates they didn't jive with the ski at -5 and went back to -7 and were transformed. That reviewer says they were trying to drive the skis racer style vs. working the neutral stance. Not exactly my issue.Looking for any feedback before I drill another set of holes in a new ski...

[meter-man]

I have some 179 Bella Tours for sale. $300 +ship. I would post pics or a link but I cannot make the forums do anything anymore …


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[Sokolva]

Can anyone who has skiied both weigh in on the pre-Triple Camber Moment Ghost trains from their first release year (2013/2014) vs. the Triple Camber of all the later releases? I also know they were slimmed down slightly after that first release year and made lighter. I found someone selling the first gen of the Ghost Train prior to triple camber in my length of 168, which is quite rare, and Im planning to go for it. But as a huge fan of Triple Camber, Im wondering how much the improvements or changes to the later Ghost trains matter. Should I consider waiting on it, because the changes are really signfiicant improvements, or will I barely notice anything? Alternately, does the slightly heavier weight and lack of Triple Camber improve anything? Or are these changes so slight that Im not likely to notice much difference?

[SkiGinger]

I've got a couple days on my 186 Ghost Trains and feel like the mounting point is a bit off.Verified the measurements and mount. I'm on the factory -5 line. Same as my 184 Deathwishes. I've been on them for 4 years and they felt perfect right out of the box.The GTs I've had out in a couple 3-6" cement days and one 12" + almost blower day. They are fun in the cement, carving back to the lift on groomers I feel like I'm at the front of the arc. Something I haven't experienced before. On the DWs I feel like I'm in the center of the arc. I realize neither is a carving ski, this is just laying them over at speed when cruising. Feels like more of the turn is happening behind me on the GTs.On the almost blower day I got some serious tip dive. Anything flat or low speed I had to get hard in the back seat to get them to plane. Better in steeper terrain at speed. In one steep tree section I had a tip dive hard and almost spin me around. This is counter to everything I've ready about the skis. Could be me but I've got many days on the DWs in deep snow and never had a tip dive issue. One review on the Moment website indicates they didn't jive with the ski at -5 and went back to -7 and were transformed. That reviewer says they were trying to drive the skis racer style vs. working the neutral stance. Not exactly my issue.Looking for any feedback before I drill another set of holes in a new ski...

I’m on the 194 and I feel similarly. I don’t get tip dive, but I feel off balance with them. After 3 days in 20+ inch blower each time, I’ve yet to gel with them. I kept grabbing my wildcats over these for powder days now. Maybe it’s moving them back one or two cm’s to feel balanced and be able to feel comfortable on them. All moments I’ve ever owned have always been on the line and I’ve never had an issue. These were the first that I don’t gel with at all.

[Muggydude]

I can’t say I’ve ever understood the concept of center(ish) mounted powder skis. It’s a physics/mechanics problems and if you want your tips to float and be supportive you need the mount point to be further rearward so the buoyant force on the tip is noticeably higher than the buoyant force on the tails. This is even more important when there isn’t a big delta in the ratio of tip to tail width.

Center of the side cut doesn’t really make much of a difference regarding float


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[pappag]

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I&#39;ve got a couple days on my 186 Ghost Trains and feel like the mounting point is a bit off.Verified the measurements and mount. I&#39;m on the factory -5 line. Same as my 184 Deathwishes. I&#39;ve been on them for 4 years and they felt perfect right out of the box.The GTs I&#39;ve had out in a couple 3-6&quot; cement days and one 12&quot; + almost blower day. They are fun in the cement, carving back to the lift on groomers I feel like I&#39;m at the front of the arc. Something I haven&#39;t experienced before. On the DWs I feel like I&#39;m in the center of the arc. I realize neither is a carving ski, this is just laying them over at speed when cruising. Feels like more of the turn is happening behind me on the GTs.On the almost blower day I got some serious tip dive. Anything flat or low speed I had to get hard in the back seat to get them to plane. Better in steeper terrain at speed. In one steep tree section I had a tip dive hard and almost spin me around. This is counter to everything I&#39;ve ready about the skis. Could be me but I&#39;ve got many days on the DWs in deep snow and never had a tip dive issue. One review on the Moment website indicates they didn&#39;t jive with the ski at -5 and went back to -7 and were transformed. That reviewer says they were trying to drive the skis racer style vs. working the neutral stance. Not exactly my issue.Looking for any feedback before I drill another set of holes in a new ski...

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That was my review. I also own the DW in 190 and I had to remount those at -1.5cm. I just never have jelled with moment&#39;s more centerly mounted suggestions.For me, both skis felt remarkably better have the remount. Then again, I&#39;m a slightly bigger guy at 5&#39;10&quot;, 220.</p>

[SnowMachine]

Muggy, Rens are calling you to the courtesy phone.

Lots of tail taper, reverse camber and a nice long rocker in the nose with big splay. Fucking pow missles!!

I skied my 188 Countach in 12" of dense-ish pow today. That ski slays. They like to go fast and give no shits about chop. I hate them in firm moguls.

When I want to dial things back and surf the 184 DW is still the sweetness. It is an easy yes as a travel ski. It still has the stiffness to handle chop if you are light on your feet, but it can cruise and do park laps, too. The 104 is boss, too. Floats above that 104 WW.

I have to say, I am very tempted by the OG. Not sure I need another wide ski, but....

[Poorhouse]

I&rsquo;m on the 194 and I feel similarly. I don&rsquo;t get tip dive, but I feel off balance with them. After 3 days in 20+ inch blower each time, I&rsquo;ve yet to gel with them. I kept grabbing my wildcats over these for powder days now. Maybe it&rsquo;s moving them back one or two cm&rsquo;s to feel balanced and be able to feel comfortable on them. All moments I&rsquo;ve ever owned have always been on the line and I&rsquo;ve never had an issue. These were the first that I don&rsquo;t gel with at all.

That was my review. I also own the DW in 190 and I had to remount those at -1.5cm. I just never have jelled with moment&#39;s more centerly mounted suggestions.For me, both skis felt remarkably better have the remount. Then again, I&#39;m a slightly bigger guy at 5&#39;10&quot;, 220.

Thanks for the feedback. Interesting I don&#39;t have an issue with the DWs on the line. Regardless, I&#39;m convinced to remount them. Probably won&#39;t get around to it until next season.

[SnowMachine]

DW 104 works exceptionally well -1 from where the DW is mounted. I am certain you could go -2 and they would work just fine. I am also convinced you could go forward on both of those skis if it were your thing. Both of mine are mounted on their respective lines and the difference is part of why I like having both. The 104 is a bit more driveable and being mounted back further helps with float. The DW is surfy and freestyle friendly. Both excellent skis. Do I really need both?? Probably not, but life is short....

[EWG]

FWIW I have 190 DW 112s mounted right on the line and love them there. Love em on hard pack there, loved them in the three days of 2 foot (+) powder I had a few weekends ago. Perfect. No notes. I just took a pair of 190 DW 104s I recently bought out for a test drive last Friday on full on slush on a 60 degree day. Did not love them. They are mounted +1 or +1.5 or so - so more centered than the line. Probably pretty close to the DW 112 centerline. But it was 4&quot; of slush out there, and Im not sure Id love any ski in that. Need to try them out more in regular snow.

[ezgzy]

Popping into the thread to say i got to ski some 182 comis on a heli day, and these things freaking rip. Not super drifty but you can bend them into any turn shape you want more or less and they had great float. Not as bad in the firmer runouts as i expected for a fat ski either


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[Self Jupiter]

Muggy, Rens are calling you to the courtesy phone.

Lots of tail taper, reverse camber and a nice long rocker in the nose with big splay. Fucking pow missles!!

Seconded. Skis like Rens and Chipotle Bananas need some speed to plane up and when they do they are frictionless rocketships that don’t plow and are nimble too. I don’t want anything to do with sidecut or a wide/grabby tip in powder. I wonder if that’s because I’m a shorter dude?

[SnowMachine]

Nah, I think you're on the money. In deep pow I want to turn my ski by rolling my ankles and rocking back. I can let the rocker/splay make the turn happen. Think surfing, not dolphin turns. I think that is why I love the Ren. The tips float up, the tails sink just enough. You think, they turn and the straight sidecut allows them to haul ass going straight if you want to.

[Speedfreak]

Poorhouse - FWIW I'm on my third pair of 190 DWs and second pair of 194 GTs. The first pair of each were mounted a couple times in the process of figuring triple camber out. -2cm was the landing point across the board. They're just perfect there.

YMMV: 220# ex-racer that likes to drive and hates neutral.

[pappag]

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Poorhouse - FWIW I&#39;m on my third pair of 190 DWs and second pair of 194 GTs. The first pair of each were mounted a couple times in the process of figuring triple camber out. -2cm was the landing point across the board. They&#39;re just perfect there. YMMV: 220# ex-racer that likes to drive and hates neutral.

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Echoing the same assessment for both skis at those sizes. Same build and ski style.</p>

[Poorhouse]

Poorhouse - FWIW I&#39;m on my third pair of 190 DWs and second pair of 194 GTs. The first pair of each were mounted a couple times in the process of figuring triple camber out. -2cm was the landing point across the board. They&#39;re just perfect there. YMMV: 220# ex-racer that likes to drive and hates neutral.

Thanks - This is the first pair of skis I&#39;ve had to remount.