Moment Skis Discussion

[SkiGinger]

Just got back from a super solid day at Vail with pockets of knee/thigh deep snow.
The Ghost Trains absolutely slayed it.
If there was ever a 1-ski quiver with a 126mm waist, the 194 GT with a -2 mount from suggested has to be in that discussion.

Absoultely RAILS everything soft.
Incredible in the bumps ... just so pivoty but stable all at once.
Kills the soft hardpack. There is a speed limit, but it is considerably very very high.
Possibly my favorite Moment ski and I've probably been on 20+ different models over the years.
Was laughing my ass off all morning into the afternoon ... just pure fucking fun on these.

At minus two back, do they feel more like the wildcats with how you can drive the shovels? Tneg feel almost too pivoty for how I like to ski powder.

[Travist185]

Anyone holding a set of 179cm DW104 they would like to sell? Thanks!

[pappag]

Below are the skis I could compare the Ghost Trains to:
- 2nd generation Bibby Pro in 190 (essentially what the Wildcat is today) [green topsheet]
- Bibby Special in 186 (150-116-123); carbon stringers; race stiff [orange topsheet]
- Comi in 186 (OG version and racestock version) [sickle/hammer topsheet; black/blue topsheet]
- OG Comi-Kaze in 192 (the swallowtail model)

Since you specificallly focused on the Wildcat (Bibby Pro), I had those mounted at -7cm from true center IIRC. I cant find my review of them on here. Trying to search for anything on this website is total trash. Anyway, pretty sure they were -7. Now comparing the Bibby Pro to the Ghost Trains, the GTs have far more maneuverability. I was finding myself going down technical lines this last week with considerable ease given the 194cm material length. (Tip to tail measurement probaby around 192cm). Just eye what you want to ski down and plop yourself thru easy. With the Bibby Pro, you have a longer effective edge so naturally, it's gonna take effort to swing around in tight spots.

On to powder, the Comi-Kaze was hands down the best for ultra deep snow. There's no question there. But comparing the Bibby Pro to GTs at -2cm in powder? You can go sideways a lot easier on the GTs because of the flat camber that's for sure. As far as forward pressure into to the tips in powder, the GTs could take more force in the front vs the Bibby Pro. I seem to remember that I had to have some pressure towards the heel on the Bibby Pro in soft snow. Not a lot, but when compared to the GTs at -2cm, you can definitely put more force to the front without any sacrifice.

As I was saying about yesterday, literally was making GS turns in knee-deep powder like it was nothing. But at the same time, you want to make your slashes and get all slurfy, you can absolutely do that at -2cm. Want to go sideways as fast as you can pointing the skis straight? Can do that also. And to reiterate in tight spots, I'd take the GTs at -2cm over the Bibby Pro.

[SkiGinger]

Below are the skis I could compare the Ghost Trains to:
- 2nd generation Bibby Pro in 190 (essentially what the Wildcat is today) [green topsheet]
- Bibby Special in 186 (150-116-123); carbon stringers; race stiff [orange topsheet]
- Comi in 186 (OG version and racestock version) [sickle/hammer topsheet; black/blue topsheet]
- OG Comi-Kaze in 192 (the swallowtail model)

Since you specificallly focused on the Wildcat (Bibby Pro), I had those mounted at -7cm from true center IIRC. I cant find my review of them on here. Trying to search for anything on this website is total trash. Anyway, pretty sure they were -7. Now comparing the Bibby Pro to the Ghost Trains, the GTs have far more maneuverability. I was finding myself going down technical lines this last week with considerable ease given the 194cm material length. (Tip to tail measurement probaby around 192cm). Just eye what you want to ski down and plop yourself thru easy. With the Bibby Pro, you have a longer effective edge so naturally, it's gonna take effort to swing around in tight spots.

On to powder, the Comi-Kaze was hands down the best for ultra deep snow. There's no question there. But comparing the Bibby Pro to GTs at -2cm in powder? You can go sideways a lot easier on the GTs because of the flat camber that's for sure. As far as forward pressure into to the tips in powder, the GTs could take more force in the front vs the Bibby Pro. I seem to remember that I had to have some pressure towards the heel on the Bibby Pro in soft snow. Not a lot, but when compared to the GTs at -2cm, you can definitely put more force to the front without any sacrifice.

As I was saying about yesterday, literally was making GS turns in knee-deep powder like it was nothing. But at the same time, you want to make your slashes and get all slurfy, you can absolutely do that at -2cm. Want to go sideways as fast as you can pointing the skis straight? Can do that also. And to reiterate in tight spots, I'd take the GTs at -2cm over the Bibby Pro.

Thanks for the response. I have both the WC 190 and the GT 194. I felt the GT was a bit too pivoty and I couldn’t drive the shovels as well as my WC. I may move back minus one or minus two after I get a couple more days on them.

For true, the GT is one hell of a ski and kind of mind boggling how nimble it is for the size.

[pappag]

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Depending on what binding you have, you could probably move back to -1cm without remounting.<br />
Might be good to test that out first and then reevaluate if another 1cm to the rear would be even better.</p>
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Thanks for the response. I have both the WC 190 and the GT 194. I felt the GT was a bit too pivoty and I couldn&rsquo;t drive the shovels as well as my WC. I may move back minus one or minus two after I get a couple more days on them. For true, the GT is one hell of a ski and kind of mind boggling how nimble it is for the size.

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[SkiGinger]

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Depending on what binding you have, you could probably move back to -1cm without remounting.<br />
Might be good to test that out first and then reevaluate if another 1cm to the rear would be even better.</p>
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I have pivots, so I don’t think it’ll be able to adjust with the toe piece…but I could be wrong.

[DoubleBogey]

I gotta say, after spending more time on the DW104, I&#39;m a little disappointed in the suspension. I&#39;ll probably be looking for a Countach104 next year to replace it. It&#39;s pretty good in the mornings but as the day goes on I feel like I want the Countach 110 dampness.

So I skied the DW104 the day after I posted this and didnt experience the vibrations/roughness in my feet as I did the day before. Conditions were basically the same so Im not sure whats going on there but I had a great day on groomers with them. Kind of weird to have such different days. Its definitely not a stability issue, maybe I was just tired and feeling everything at the end of the day and thats what stuck with me. They even float decently for what they are. I had couple really good days on my WC 190. That ski is really fun in deep snow, floats great and is easy to shut down and pivot in tight spaces in deepish snow. Even skiing with my wife at slower speeds was fun. The ski is a bulldozer in leftovers, the tail is really supportive and I can drive the tips. I can understand why some may use it as a DD although it wouldnt be my first choice. Great ski

[FloridaSnow]

So I skied the DW104 the day after I posted this and didnt experience the vibrations/roughness in my feet as I did the day before. Conditions were basically the same so Im not sure whats going on there but I had a great day on groomers with them. Kind of weird to have such different days. Its definitely not a stability issue, maybe I was just tired and feeling everything at the end of the day and thats what stuck with me. They even float decently for what they are. I had couple really good days on my WC 190. That ski is really fun in deep snow, floats great and is easy to shut down and pivot in tight spaces in deepish snow. Even skiing with my wife at slower speeds was fun. The ski is a bulldozer in leftovers, the tail is really supportive and I can drive the tips. I can understand why some may use it as a DD although it wouldnt be my first choice. Great ski

the 116 is a great daily driver. The 118 not so much. I have the 118 and wouldn&#39;t want to use that as a daily at all.

[MNazWIcoWA]

It seems like the CT 104 is more popular compared to the DW 104. Maybe it’s because the CT 104 is the newer model, but from what Ive read in various threads, it sounds like the CT 104 offers everything the DW 104 does, plus more. I was on the DW 104 last season and part of this one until I handed it off to a buddy (who’s now sold on Moment skis—another convert!). I always thought the DW 104 was a fun, well-rounded ski, but it felt a bit too planted and didn’t have much pop. Anyone else prefer the CT 104 over the DW 104? I am really interested in snagging one for the remainder of the season.

[skier666]

If you want more edge bite, always go triple camber...depends on user profile though.

[kingslien542]

Alright yall I picked up a pair of 187 Meridians mounted on the line with some pivots. I had high hopes of loving these things since my 186 bananas are a CDH ski and might just be my favorite ski of all time. The meridian isn&#39;t bad by any means but they just don&#39;t put a massive smile on my face like I was expecting. I&#39;ve skied them 4 times now in a variety of snow, after the second day I had them stone ground since the bases needed it and I thought that could be contributing to the lack of pivoty surfiness I had been expecting. They felt marginally better but nothing profound. I find myself thinking about the ski too much while on them and noticing the tails. Whereas my CB, DW104 and Wildcats require no thought, I just ski them and they do what I wish of them. I guess I&#39;m wondering if I should put a 1.5 or 2 degree base bevel on them or play around with the mount point. What do y&#39;all think or recommend? I&#39;m looking for optimal pivoty dumb fun from these things.

[Huskier]

Alright yall I picked up a pair of 187 Meridians mounted on the line with some pivots. I had high hopes of loving these things since my 186 bananas are a CDH ski and might just be my favorite ski of all time. The meridian isn't bad by any means but they just don't put a massive smile on my face like I was expecting. I've skied them 4 times now in a variety of snow, after the second day I had them stone ground since the bases needed it and I thought that could be contributing to the lack of pivoty surfiness I had been expecting. They felt marginally better but nothing profound. I find myself thinking about the ski too much while on them and noticing the tails. Whereas my CB, DW104 and Wildcats require no thought, I just ski them and they do what I wish of them. I guess I'm wondering if I should put a 1.5 or 2 degree base bevel on them or play around with the mount point. What do y'all think or recommend? I'm looking for optimal pivoty dumb fun from these things.

Don't they all come at 1.5/1.5 now? Maybe a little detuning in order? I just ran into that issue with other moments, my shop was setting them to 2/1 and they would feel really locked in compared to what I was used to. Also no de-tuning after grind.

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[kingslien542]

This is a 2017 meridian so don&#39;t know what the stock tune was but I had put them at 1/1 and gave them a fresh wax and detuned to contact points after taking them out the first time. Detuned again after picking them up from the shop. I&#39;ll try a 2 degree base and detune a little more, fingers crossed. Has everyone been stoked with running them on the line or any folks going back one?

[SkiGinger]

It seems like the CT 104 is more popular compared to the DW 104. Maybe it’s because the CT 104 is the newer model, but from what Ive read in various threads, it sounds like the CT 104 offers everything the DW 104 does, plus more. I was on the DW 104 last season and part of this one until I handed it off to a buddy (who’s now sold on Moment skis—another convert!). I always thought the DW 104 was a fun, well-rounded ski, but it felt a bit too planted and didn’t have much pop. Anyone else prefer the CT 104 over the DW 104? I am really interested in snagging one for the remainder of the season.

I’ve had both. I prefer the CT104. More pop, much easier to ski in steeps, and has an easier going attitude when you want it vs the DW104.

I’m a huge fan of moments progressive mounts at -5 and -6. The -8 mount scared me a bit before riding. Once the skis were on snow, the fear went away. It’s a mind trip how pivoty they can still be at the mount point, but lock in with great edge hold. You can ski them upright or with shin-in-boot. I ski 190 in all moments. The 188 at -8 feels extremely dialed.

[gaijin]

Any of you cultists care to expand on the Commander 92? Which skis has it dethroned from your quiver for corduroy rippers? I have a MN racing and Tahoe BM background and love that part of my character but also don't love that my legit (read-- European) carving skis often require me to be really strong. Cord rippers that also have loose tips and tails often read as dumbed-down versions of their legit, parent skis. Yes, the LP One O Five was always too much for me, simply because I'm a smaller dude. Not many customers fit the demographic of being small rippers. FiveEight OneFifty. I'm always between sizes in flex patterns from Euro brands. Currently interested in the Heritage lineup, as well as Dynastar's MPro lineup. Am more leaning towards Marshal's designs as I love what I own from him so far.Curious what the Tahoe (and west coast) crew thinks of this perspective. Culture/mountain landscape do actually contribute to ski design, imo.

[SnowMachine]

Gaijin, not many 92's around here in the wild. I have been curious about that ski, also. The 102 is a bruiser. Definitely the stiffness ski I own. It is quite good off piste if you're charging. If I could build that ski for myself I would soften it a hair and move the mount forward 2cm. I am also light at 160lbs.

As boring as it is, the Enforcer 94 is exactly what I wanted the C102 to be. Having a -8 mount makes it easy to jump back to my more progressive skis.

I am going to grab a Countach the next time I can get to Reno. I think it could be the in-between ski that I am seeking. Only question is 104 or 110.

Back to the C92. I have heard that it is a bit softer. Honestly it could be exactly the ski I am after in that width. I would be curious to try it mounted +1. Might be hard to dethrone my E94's. The Dadforcer gets it done.

[SnowMachine]

Sold my C102 today and grabbed some 188 Countach. Cannot wait to get them on snow tomorrow. I think they will fit my needs better than the C102.

[pappag]

Dont forget to check the sale section on the website ... some nice discounted finds in there.

https://www.momentskis.com/collections/on-sale

2 pairs of 194 Ghost Trains
2 pairs of 188 C110s
6 pairs of 190 DW112s
11 pairs of 184 DW112s
3 pairs of 190 DW104s
5 pairs of 184 DW104s
6 pairs of 190 WCs
5 pairs of 184 WCs
3 pairs of 190 WC108 Tours
2 pairs of 184 WC108 Tours

[headwall]

Today is new ski day. Here they are next my 2020 CMD 108s they are replacing which refuse to die, but I needed some fresh camber because dopamine. Has anyone here been on both of these and can compare them? Something interesting I noticed is that while the rec mount point for the 108s is pretty much dead center between the camber contact points, the Countaches have significantly more camber in front than behind the triangle. Just makes me wonder if I should mount them +1 to have the same slashiness that I liked so much about the 108s, but I know I wont because I dont want to give up any of the carviness.

[skier666]

I mounted my Countach 110 @ +2 (second triangle) and feel great. But of course, mount point is subjective.

[Falcon3]

When does Moment usually start their spring/end of season sale? Looking at either a Wildcat Tour as a 50/50 sidecountry ski with Tectons or a DWT104 for hard snow touring. I'd gladly pay full boat but I'm caught up in this federal employee purge and trying to keep frivolous expenditures at a minimum for the time being.

[SnowMachine]

When does Moment usually start their spring/end of season sale? Looking at either a Wildcat Tour as a 50/50 sidecountry ski with Tectons or a DWT104 for hard snow touring. I&#39;d gladly pay full boat but I&#39;m caught up in this federal employee purge and trying to keep frivolous expenditures at a minimum for the time being.

Did you look at the link pappag posted? There are WCT blems in there.

I am dying to ski my CT, but it has been looooow tide around here. We need snow in Tahoe.

[Eastside]

I finally took out my Meridian Tours/ATK FR 13s for some verboten resort laps. As expected they were not super sexy on really hard snow. Everything else was great like a Meridian should be. My skimo assless chaps and Black Diamond foam helmet need some work, though.

[Falcon3]

At minus two back, do they feel more like the wildcats with how you can drive the shovels? Tneg feel almost too pivoty for how I like to ski powder.

Yeah, unfortunately $800+ for blems is not my market at the moment. Good stock on the sale section though.

[pappag]

Moment had a July 4th sale last year. Was able to pick up Commanders for $600.

I imagine there could be an earlier sale.