Sender Free 110

[Sashko]

What pivot brake width works the best 105 or 115? Also, unsure if should go with pivots or griffons or salmon strive 14 (my dins are 7-9 depending on how much I want to spin). What does everyone use on these skis?

[MNazWIcoWA]

Finally got out on the SF100s. Im on the 184 length and mounted at rec. Before getting out, I did a little work on the edges and bases, mostly because of what others had mentioned. Took them out night skiing at Mission Ridge in WA, where the conditions were pretty variable: snow had been falling lightly all day and into the evening, and temps were warm but cooling off as the evening went on. I havent tried the SF110 yet, but based on how people describe it, Id say the SF100 is basically the sibling to that ski. It handles pretty much everything with ease in a lighter and more precise package. The standout for me was how it performed on groomers. I did a couple of top-to-bottom runs on the main long groomed trail and couldnt help but laugh at how well this nearly center-mounted, twin-tip ski could rail turns. Once I got going fast enough I could really lay into a turn and get into several turn shapes. Beyond that, its exactly what youd expect from a freestyle-freeride-all-mountain ski. It felt poppy off side hits and drops, and super stable on landings. It was precise in steeper moguls and tight trees, but still easy to slash and pivot when I needed to. The only sketchy moment was one a run lower down that was heavy chopped up snow. the SF100 is just ok at high speeds and staying composed. Thats its limitation. Yet, there are other better skis that are stiffer and more damp if thats your priority. All in all, I didnt walk away thinking, I need this ski but more like this ski is solid. I think its a perfect choice for a freestyle-minded skier who wants to go all over the mountain and hit the park, thanks to the center mount and balanced feel. I think the Blister Review 100% got it right in saying this ski is precise on firmer snow and surfy in softer snow, which is a great balance to have. Go ahead and mount it back a few if you arent going into the park at all. TLDR - The SF100 is a solid, versatile ski that handles everything really well, with a playful yet stable feel, though the lack of metal (or other material) beyond the underfoot means itll get tossed around more in chopped-up snow vs the SF110.

[noslow]

Agree with the great review of the SF 100 and also the fact that rec mount is only for park skiers or those skiing switch often. Go at least -2cm plus if you're a directional skier and it completely transforms the stability and carving ability of this ski ike the SF 110/MF 112. I've been hitting 50-57mph on my -3cm from rec mounted set on open groomers without drama on my 184cm set.
Hoping for more snow tomorrow and Monday and the Blackops 118 come out.

[MNazWIcoWA]

Agree with the great review of the SF 100 and also the fact that rec mount is only for park skiers or those skiing switch often. Go at least -2cm plus if you're a directional skier and it completely transforms the stability and carving ability of this ski ike the SF 110/MF 112. I've been hitting 50-57mph on my -3cm from rec mounted set on open groomers without drama on my 184cm set. Hoping for more snow tomorrow and Monday and the Blackops 118 come out.

Its pretty incredible how Rossignal made the SF110 and SF100 so good with a variety of mount points. I was shocked with how well the SF100 carved at recommended. I am sure it will do even better mounted further back, but I feel no need to do that considering how balanced it is at rec (I ride switch frequently, do spins off side hits and drops, some park, etc...but I can get along with a -5 or -6 mount doing those things). On the open groomers and soft snow I encountered I would agree they were confidence inspiring, especially considering the lack material in the ski compared to some other stiffer, more damp skis. I ony had that one instance and that was mostly due to me hauling ass through heavy and wet chopped up snow. It really has me eyeing the SF110 for my Whistler trip next month.

[noslow]

Its pretty incredible how Rossignal made the SF110 and SF100 so good with a variety of mount points. I was shocked with how well the SF100 carved at recommended. I am sure it will do even better mounted further back, but I feel no need to do that considering how balanced it is at rec (I ride switch frequently, do spins off side hits and drops, some park, etc...but I can get along with a -5 or -6 mount doing those things). On the open groomers and soft snow I encountered I would agree they were confidence inspiring, especially considering the lack material in the ski compared to some other stiffer, more damp skis. I ony had that one instance and that was mostly due to me hauling ass through heavy and wet chopped up snow. It really has me eyeing the SF110 for my Whistler trip next month.

I'd say cut out the middleman and go right to the Blackops 118/Sender Free 118 if you're looking for a heavy crud/tracked powder destroyer. It's insane how good it is that and just did a few powder days with afternoon chop in Whistler with mine. Had my BO 98 as the daily driver before I had my SF 100 for that trip.
The SF 100 much better going over stuff vs the BO 98. Find the SF 100 smoothes out the terrain very well for its weight but the 118 is on another planet for suspension.

[samp]

What pivot brake width works the best 105 or 115? Also, unsure if should go with pivots or griffons or salmon strive 14 (my dins are 7-9 depending on how much I want to spin). What does everyone use on these skis?

I have pivots with 114 on the SF-110 and they fit perfectly.

[Sashko]

I have pivots with 114 on the SF-110 and they fit perfectly.

BTW, what color of pivots do you have?

[MNazWIcoWA]

I'd say cut out the middleman and go right to the Blackops 118/Sender Free 118 if you're looking for a heavy crud/tracked powder destroyer. It's insane how good it is that and just did a few powder days with afternoon chop in Whistler with mine. Had my BO 98 as the daily driver before I had my SF 100 for that trip. The SF 100 much better going over stuff vs the BO 98. Find the SF 100 smoothes out the terrain very well for its weight but the 118 is on another planet for suspension.

I am trying (emphasis on trying) to stick with a 2 ski quiver right now and am unsure where Ill be living next winter. I may end up back in Minnesota for the winter, which means mostly traveling out west and abroad. I think the SF110 will be a better travel buddy that can handle a broader range of conditions.

[Landob]

I’d agree the SF100 are surprisingly good on groomers, but I’m still wishing they left metal underfoot for some more suspension and dampness. It seems this ski is more of an all mountain twin tip/park ski. The jury is still out for me on these as they aren’t quite just a narrower SF110. They remind me of Wildcat 101’s, which are generally an all mountain park ski.

[MNazWIcoWA]

I’d agree the SF100 are surprisingly good on groomers, but I’m still wishing they left metal underfoot for some more suspension and dampness. It seems this ski is more of an all mountain twin tip/park ski. The jury is still out for me on these as they aren’t quite just a narrower SF110. They remind me of Wildcat 101’s, which are generally an all mountain park ski.

After getting out day skiing with more open terrain and less than ideal groomers, I would agree that this is an all mountain ski for a freestyle or park oriented skier. The comp to the WC 101 is a good one. I think the criticism a lot of Moment lovers have of the Wildcat 101 is it lacks the stiff and damp character of the wider Wildcats and Deathwish models. With that being said, I dont think Rossignal was wrong for making it like that considering the other skis they have. I should note that this lack of burliness may not be noticed by more skiers interested in this type of ski. I am probably more aware of it due to having recently been on Moments Commander 102 and currently DDing Nordicas new Enforcer 99. Ill be getting out a few more times with this ski and most likely looking to off load it on here if anyone is interested (Fellow TGR hooked me up so will let it go for a good price! Its the 184). This is solely because I already have a park ski and feel no reason to have an all mountain park ski...and I just love to try different skis.

[noslow]

Having my SF 100 in for a second round of grinding as they are still edge high and not as quick edge to edge or as easy pivoting as they should be. Was on my Blackops 118 yesterday and today and confirmed how much better the tune is on them.

Find they do have a somewhat similar feel to the Moments but WAY more strong and precise on edge vs those skis. Feel they absorb the terrain much better with their flex pattern that doesn't ramp up as quickly as the narrower Wildcats or Deathwish.
Agree if someone really wants a more damp and composed ride, the new Enforcer 104 is the ski. Noticeable improvement over the old one or the current 99 when it comes to stability and damping.

[MNazWIcoWA]

Agree with noslow post below and should clarify. I wasnt suggesting the SF100 is the same as the WC101, but more so the SF100 is not as stout of a ski as the SF110 similar to the WC101 compared to the WC108. I think the SF100 is a far better ski than the WC101. Specific to precision and edge control, I think the SF100 is definitly on the high end (more so than most Moment skis Ive been on). I skied both the Enforcer 99 and SF100 back to back this weekend and was surprised by how similar they were in terms of bite on groomers and hardpack. The SF100 was easier to initiate and produce various turn shapes. If you consider it does that really well all the while being twin tip with a -3ish mount, it equates to a damn fun ski...I should probably just keep it!

[Landob]

I’d agree they are more precise than the Moments. I think if you are looking for a narrower SF110, you should be looking at the M Free 99 or new 100. Whichever is heavier I guess. I may try to demo some of those soon.

[noslow]

I've skied my SF 110 and SF 100 back to back along with the Blackops 98 and was surprised how similar the SF pair feel. I actually preferred the SF 100 in heavy chop as its flex seemed to absorb the terrain better.
From the interviews I've seen, I think they wanted to cut into the Atomic Bent 100 sales, so priced it low and removed the metal to undercut other comparable skis. A lot of dealer and rep reviews are calling it a "Bent 100 killer" which sounds like the goal.

Have my SF 100 going for more grinding today as it's still edge high after being through the auto grinder twice and me spending lots of time hand tuning. Much better but not perfect and think it will after today.

[Flippo]

I've skied my SF 110 and SF 100 back to back along with the Blackops 98 and was surprised how similar the SF pair feel. I actually preferred the SF 100 in heavy chop as its flex seemed to absorb the terrain better. From the interviews I've seen, I think they wanted to cut into the Atomic Bent 100 sales, so priced it low and removed the metal to undercut other comparable skis. A lot of dealer and rep reviews are calling it a "Bent 100 killer" which sounds like the goal. Have my SF 100 going for more grinding today as it's still edge high after being through the auto grinder twice and me spending lots of time hand tuning. Much better but not perfect and think it will after today.

Most of the sale of the Bent100 are driven by the topsheet though...

[MNazWIcoWA]

I have to say, my experience with the SF100 is really making me want to find something similar with a narrower waist in the low 90s. Are there any skis out there with the same freestyle and groomer capabilities as the SF100 (and SF110) but in a narrower width? I know there are some solid twin tip/park options, but Im not sure which ones would carve like the SF100.

[noslow]

21 Faction CT 1.0 is the unicorn 92mm charger twin. Made in the Fisher plant with 2 metal sheets(above and below wood core) underfoot, rubber damping tip/tail, 2200gr in the 183cm. A beech/poplar wood core and the same 20m multi radius sidecut as the Sender Free 100/110. Much quieter on the snow than the Sender Free line though and used it for a few years as my travel ski with my Blackops 118. Very similar feel between those 2 skis. Bought backups of them as I knew they were going to be a rare ski.
The 21 CT 2.0(102mm) goes to 2300gr in the 183cm but think I actually prefer the new Enforcer 104 to it as it's tips are better sloped for going over things.
The only one that's a bit similar to the 21 CT 1.0 is the JSkis Fastforward but have heard some so so reviews on them.
Huge gap in the marketplace as there are very few substantial playful chargers below 100mm and definitely think there's a market for them. They are all super light tweener skis it seems on the narrower models.

[Landob]

21 Faction CT 1.0 is the unicorn 92mm charger twin. Made in the Fisher plant with 2 metal sheets(above and below wood core) underfoot, rubber damping tip/tail, 2200gr in the 183cm. A beech/poplar wood core and the same 20m multi radius sidecut as the Sender Free 100/110. Much quieter on the snow than the Sender Free line though and used it for a few years as my travel ski with my Blackops 118. Very similar feel between those 2 skis. Bought backups of them as I knew they were going to be a rare ski. The 21 CT 2.0(102mm) goes to 2300gr in the 183cm but think I actually prefer the new Enforcer 104 to it as it's tips are better sloped for going over things. The only one that's a bit similar to the 21 CT 1.0 is the JSkis Fastforward but have heard some so so reviews on them. Huge gap in the marketplace as there are very few substantial playful chargers below 100mm and definitely think there's a market for them. They are all super light tweener skis it seems on the narrower models.

Man I completely agree. Where is the 2100g metal underfoot 98 playful charger. I guess the BO98 is close. Maybe I'll check out faction. I was going to try the MF99 or MF100 and see which one was more substantial.

[noslow]

BO98, SF 100, MF 99 and assume MF 100 are all similar weight and flex patterns with the amount of taper, rocker, tip/tail splay, core materials and mount points being the differences.
The BO 98 has the least rocker, splay and taper so it's the most precise carver of the group with the SF 100 being a hair more forgiving with its increased rocker and splay. SF 100 more stable though and can still rip a carve but not as quiet as the BO 98 on firm snow.
The MF 100 looks similar to the SF 100 shape wise but moves the factory mount back and might be more damp feeling with the PU core. The older MF 99 has the most rocker and taper of the group so more soft snow biased.

[alpinevibes]

Man I completely agree. Where is the 2100g metal underfoot 98 playful charger. I guess the BO98 is close. Maybe I'll check out faction. I was going to try the MF99 or MF100 and see which one was more substantial.

Masterblaster would be it. ARV 96 Ti and the defunct Soul Rider are in that realm

[MNazWIcoWA]

I think there are definitely options in the 98-100 width range. Id just like to see some narrower skis (90) with similar profiles to the SF100 a decent weight. Nordica has the Unleashed 90, but it is sold as a ski for up and coming rippers per their website and the weight drops down to 1660g per ski. Atomic Bent 90 is 1600g per ski. Black Ops 92 is is light and geared towards beginners and younger skiers. I understand making lighter layups, but more could do something similar to Armada with a lighter layup option for the same skis (ARV vs ARW). A few that do come to mind that


Id like to try: ON3P Jeffrey 92 (1810g in 181), Black Crows Captis (1925g in 178), and Fischer Nightstick 90 (1950g in 177). Id probably buy the Captis, but I cant find any good info on pushing the mount forward more to around -3. Nightstick really intrigues me as it is a stout comp freestyle ski that supposedly carves well with a center mount (and can be mounted -2).

[noslow]

Saw the Ripper line from ON3P and still very tapered and light. I would look at the Faction Prodigy 1 if I wanted something around 90mm or Prodigy 2 mid 90s for solid, good carving skis that can be had at insane deals come Spring time(or last years if they have stock as it hasn't changed in years). Made in the same Atomic plant as Black Crows but more weight behind them and more stable for way less money. Check Soothski.com for actual weights of Factiom as they are always speced lower on their own site.
The JSkis Ffwd with less taper and rocker than the MB so more hard snow biased and their best carver but not as good off trail as the MB. Factory tunes known to be bad AND conservative(1 degree side) so if I was looking at those I would definitely get a full race tune on them before skiing. Unleashed 98 a good ski but find it less damp and less stable than the BO 98. Great carver though! Unleashed 90, Bent 90 and Sender Soul 92 etc all in that "good shape but super light builds for teens" unfortunately.

[noslow]

Sender Free 100 update-Had mine ground twice before even mounting the bindings and did lots of hand tuning to get them much better. Took them out west as the daily and still wasn't wowed by them so still thought they were edge high and could be made better. Had them ground for a 3rd time and better again but not perfect as I don't think they checked the flatness after and did not brass brush/scotch brite after grinding and before waxing. Took them for a 4th round last night and the bases are perfect now. Just as the tech was about to set edges etc, they had an emergency in the shop(fingers stuck in a pivot heel at Din 14-ouch!) so I actually set the edges and brushed the skis myself there. Lol
They Then waxed for me and I was on my way.

Out today on them and they have gone from a "maybe I will sell them and just keep my Enforcer 104 skis" to one of the most fun skis I've ever been on! Feel as easy as an MFree 99/108 in the trees and bumps yet out carve the SF 110 now. Absolutely floored by the difference yesterday to today on them. Perfect ski for me out west now like I originally hoped. Still not the most quiet ski on firm but that's the only complaint about them now.

[Landob]

Sender Free 100 update-Had mine ground twice before even mounting the bindings and did lots of hand tuning to get them much better. Took them out west as the daily and still wasn't wowed by them so still thought they were edge high and could be made better. Had them ground for a 3rd time and better again but not perfect as I don't think they checked the flatness after and did not brass brush/scotch brite after grinding and before waxing. Took them for a 4th round last night and the bases are perfect now. Just as the tech was about to set edges etc, they had an emergency in the shop(fingers stuck in a pivot heel at Din 14-ouch!) so I actually set the edges and brushed the skis myself there. Lol They Then waxed for me and I was on my way. Out today on them and they have gone from a "maybe I will sell them and just keep my Enforcer 104 skis" to one of the most fun skis I've ever been on! Feel as easy as an MFree 99/108 in the trees and bumps yet out carve the SF 110 now. Absolutely floored by the difference yesterday to today on them. Perfect ski for me out west now like I originally hoped. Still not the most quiet ski on firm but that's the only complaint about them now.

I'm happy that these ended up turning out the way you wanted, however that's absurd it took 4 grinds and is not a good testament to the ski build (I have ground mine once so far). Most people aren't going to do that and end up being disappointed unfortunately.
I've also had my thumb cut in a pivot heel binding in my shop by myself. Talk about pain and panic.

[noslow]

Agree its sad and disappointing that very few factory tunes are decent from any manufacturer these days. If I did a blanking grind from the get go it would have been solved in one go but usually most skis are good after being put through the auto grinder twice to solve if the tech is not capable of adjusting from defaults settings to just program in more flattening passes. My store usually does not charge me if I am buying the skis and bindings from them and I hand tune and wax myself after.