Sender Free 110

[Bandit Man]

well fekk me, I want so gogogoguen skis
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The max paml and mandin versions are ok too, if more on par with the standard version imho
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Saw those today, too. Why these designs aren't the normal models or available as unique graphics for a given length (e.g. BO118) is beyond me.

[DoubleBogey]

Who are those skis for?

[kid-kapow]

Saw those today, too. Why these designs aren't the normal models or available as unique graphics for a given length (e.g. BO118) is beyond me.

Def. Jake Stevens - aka Rossi's alpine category manager - has also stated that they have some additional graphics saved up made by the same folks who made the current swamp/salomon and BO98 graphics. I do understand their desire to run a somewhat bland graphic a lot of people can accept / not hate / not love, but spice it up for us enthusiast eh!

Who are those skis for?

They are limited release skis made avaliable for us regular skiers in the 184 length -where the graphics are inspired by Marcus Goguen, Max Palm and Oscar Mandin aka three of Rossi's Freeride World Tour riders. One can but assume that a shorter length limited release will be released for Astrid Cheylus (their female FWT rider) at some later date. She is a more recent signing than the other three though.

[NotSoBright]

Interesting - had a similar experience and chalked it up to having not adapted to the ski.

How far back did you go with the tune? Just the rocker?

Edit: answered my own question - it's obvious when you run a file over the base edge. And it is precisely the rockered sections of the skis.

Responding to my own post:

Not sure if it's placebo, but this made a HUGE difference. No more hooky tips and even more slashy. Thought I couldn't like these skis more...

[D(C)]

I’m debating whether to get some 184 Sender Free 110s on sale this spring, but won’t have a chance to demo. This may be hard to answer, but is the SF 110 more similar to the BlackOps 118 or 98?

I currently have the 186 BO 118s and like them a lot, mounted at -2.5 from recommended. They track well, but the tail rocker keeps them loose. They like a more neutral stance but do give back if you drive the tips.

I previously had the 182 BO 98s, mounted at -1 from recommended, and they didn’t work for me. I liked them on groomers, but in variable snow, I had to back off the tips to not go over the bars, but then the tails were overly present.

What I really want are next year’s 185 M-Free 108s to replace my 182s, which feel a bit too short. But those won’t be out until the fall and I’d be paying full price. I’m trying to figure out if the SF 110 would do the trick for what I’m after.

[Bandit Man]

DC - I have the 191 SF110 and 186 BO118 both mounted around -2/2.5 from recommended (IIRC). The SF110 is silly fun in soft snow and handles groomers well. I find it’s not quite as damp/dead stable in variable and chop as the BO118. The SF110 is quite loose and playful IMO, but not the bulldozer the BO118 is.

I tend to grab my 192 MF108’s on those in between days and think they are a bit more capable than the SF110 in those conditions. I prefer the MF108 over the SF110 in firmer crud/variable and the SF110 in truly deep/soft snow. Of course, the magic of the BO118 is that it does both of those conditions well.

[noslow]

I’m debating whether to get some 184 Sender Free 110s on sale this spring, but won’t have a chance to demo. This may be hard to answer, but is the SF 110 more similar to the BlackOps 118 or 98?

I currently have the 186 BO 118s and like them a lot, mounted at -2.5 from recommended. They track well, but the tail rocker keeps them loose. They like a more neutral stance but do give back if you drive the tips.

I previously had the 182 BO 98s, mounted at -1 from recommended, and they didn’t work for me. I liked them on groomers, but in variable snow, I had to back off the tips to not go over the bars, but then the tails were overly present.

What I really want are next year’s 185 M-Free 108s to replace my 182s, which feel a bit too short. But those won’t be out until the fall and I’d be paying full price. I’m trying to figure out if the SF 110 would do the trick for what I’m after.

Very easy to answer the original question as the Sender Free has an almost identical flex pattern(just a hair stiffer throughout on the SF 110), rocker profile and shape(hair more directional on the SF 110). So the SF 110 is a faster edge to edge, more precise Blackops 118.
Much more edge grip and not as loose as the MFree 108 but like the BO 118, easy to pivot when flat.

The 184cm SF 110 is the same tape measure as the 182cm MFree 108 so be sure to mount at least -3cm back from Rec if you want to make it “ski longer” and have a mount point more similar to the MFree 108. Have my set of 184cm SF 110 at -3cm/-6.25cm total and perfect for my 175lbs.

[kid-kapow]

I’m debating whether to get some 184 Sender Free 110s on sale this spring, but won’t have a chance to demo. This may be hard to answer, but is the SF 110 more similar to the BlackOps 118 or 98?
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What I really want are next year’s 185 M-Free 108s to replace my 182s, which feel a bit too short. But those won’t be out until the fall and I’d be paying full price. I’m trying to figure out if the SF 110 would do the trick for what I’m after.

SF110s are basically a narrower BO118 with airtips. They are great, and ski shallower fresh a lot like BO118s ski deeper snow - if more nimbly and a tad less steamrolly.

BO98s are pretty different (contact length, taper, camber, rocker debth) if kinda still within the same vibe (loose and chill, yet potent) if that makes sense. BO118s and SF110s also have the core protrude longer into the rockered zones (because the rocker lines are much deeper), whereas BO98s are more tip spacer in that part of the ski - so with shallower rockers zones and more abrupt splay in less supportive and less floaty tips your experiences makes sense. I really like BO98s as my low tide ski. The overly active tails might also have been too sharp edges aft of the contact point - detuning them aggressively makes a ton of difference in how they ski.

I've had MF108s in both 182 and 192 and kinda felt between sizes. 184 SF110s feel great to me.

[JRainey]

I've had a few days on the BO118, and they are def more "dead" than the SF110, in a good way.

Also the center of the ski is softer in the sense that I can load them up on a cat track and almost sit in a wheelie (BO118). Where that wouldn't be possible with the SF110. At speed they feel pretty similar in stiffness, with SF110 just having more rebound, but still pretty "rubbery" compared to other skis I've got.

After seeing what the BO118 can do, I'm doubting my use for the SF110 as day-after cleanup ski. Might become more of a 3-4days after a storm ski. Crud/Soft stays around longer here in the alps.

To be clear, loving the SF110 was what pushed me to get the BO118, but the BO118 is pretty unreal in it's chargie-forgiveness factor.

I'm def. entertaining the BO98 as a low tide ski, but for now I'm thinking about mounting the SF110 on the progressive line and just enjoying the freestyle vibes. But I might not bother.

My current "skinny" ski is revolt 104, and I haven't used it all season. So my need for something skinnier than the 110 isn't actually huge.


But I do have a current dilemma about when to use each one, but it will sort itself out. I do think they complement each other were.

SF110 = More snap, more edge, more serious (?)
BO118 = More gooey, more float, more fun (?)

[noslow]

I've had a few days on the BO118, and they are def more "dead" than the SF110, in a good way.

Also the center of the ski is softer in the sense that I can load them up on a cat track and almost sit in a wheelie (BO118). Where that wouldn't be possible with the SF110. At speed they feel pretty similar in stiffness, with SF110 just having more rebound, but still pretty "rubbery" compared to other skis I've got.

After seeing what the BO118 can do, I'm doubting my use for the SF110 as day-after cleanup ski. Might become more of a 3-4days after a storm ski. Crud/Soft stays around longer here in the alps.

To be clear, loving the SF110 was what pushed me to get the BO118, but the BO118 is pretty unreal in it's chargie-forgiveness factor.

I'm def. entertaining the BO98 as a low tide ski, but for now I'm thinking about mounting the SF110 on the progressive line and just enjoying the freestyle vibes. But I might not bother.

My current "skinny" ski is revolt 104, and I haven't used it all season. So my need for something skinnier than the 110 isn't actually huge.


But I do have a current dilemma about when to use each one, but it will sort itself out. I do think they complement each other were.

SF110 = More snap, more edge, more serious (?)
BO118 = More gooey, more float, more fun (?)

You’ll appreciate the SF 110 more on firmer days or days where you’re skiing slower with kids or friends that don’t ski as fast. Find they are more fun and less work at lower speeds than the BO 118 are. Definitely would not move the mount forward beyond the rec as that would sacrifice its stability and carving performance. -3.5cm is already a very forward mount.
Agree you’d use this on the 2nd day after a storm or no new snow in a while.

Just picked up a set of BO 98 myself to maybe use as my West Coast daily to go along with the BO 118 on trips there. Found even my narrower 92mm Faction 21 CT 1.0 wanted more speed on the groomers there and didn’t love super firm bumps all day. The softer tips/tails of the BO 98 and a bit tighter radius should be better for me out there.

Think you’d like the BO 98 flex pattern as it’s a touch softer tip/tail than the BO 118 and that softer flex extends further into the center. Underfoot it’s probably close to the SF 110 but much softer tip/tail than that ski. More directional ski so mount point around -5cm but it’s short(179.5cm tape measure) so I’d probably stay close to that for you. I went -1.5cm back(6.5cm total) for my 175lbs.
Had them stone ground before mounting the bindings as they were a touch edge high and hand tuned after. Actually a much better factory tune than most Rossi skis I’ve gotten lately but still much improved with the grind and hand tune.

[JRainey]

Damn, thanks!

I just asked that question in the BO thread. Seems like BO98 will be a go!


We have different opinions on mount points though, I was thinking I'd go 0-3cm from TC. All mountain park ski for me.

[kid-kapow]

My main criticism for BO98s, SF110s and BO118s is that they make it really hard to justify buying other skis.

I really like how BO98s make it so effortless to choose your turnstyle, while having enough umph to blast through stuff. Sure - they do not float for days, but then again that is not their role in the quiver. They also do not carve like a directional titanal ski, but they carve more than well enough. Would I like to have a stronger carver between these and SF110s? Yeah, kinda - but I am having a hard time justifying it - BO98s are just so damned predictable and fun.

SF110s are just great. Full stop. Or, I've been on other 110s skis that ski very deep fresh better, but that is why I own 118s.

BO118s - I am very curious if SF118s make a great ski even greater - that is by reducing swingweight without loosing ability to umph. The feeling of schmearing my tails all over the place is perhaps my favorite thing about BO118s and SF110s - just nice. Now they just need a longer length for above average humans.

It is kinda crazy to think that Rossi had the blueprint for the SF110 so long (basically BO118 -8mm), and then took forever to bring it to market. They will sell these by the boat loads for years to come - especially if they release more limited editions to spice things up. They are kinda magical imho.

I honestly do not think there is a better three ski quiver for me out there if I want to keep it within one brand.

[noslow]

You just reminded me kid-kappow that I have had someone get a few pairs of the SF 118 in for themselves. Their first pair were 140gr difference left to right so sent them back and the latest set is close to one another but around 2550gr each which is on the higher side for Blackops 118 weight. Blister just did a flash review on the SF 118 which I assume will say they are the same as they pretty much are.

Forgot where you mounted your BO 98 skis? Think they will be excellent carvers with their long effective edge and a sharp tune. Mine completely flat with a1/3 tune sharp tip to tail and only smooth above their widest points tip/tsil. Excited to try them.

[noslow]

Damn, thanks!

I just asked that question in the BO thread. Seems like BO98 will be a go!


We have different opinions on mount points though, I was thinking I'd go 0-3cm from TC. All mountain park ski for me.

Definitely don’t go that close to Center unless you’re skiing nothing but park. I’d say around -4cm to -5cm as it’s much shorter with much lighter swing and more directional sidecut than the wider skis in this line. Still be plenty playful for the park but will be hugely improved on the rest of the mountain.

[kid-kapow]

You just reminded me kid-kappow that I have had someone get a few pairs of the SF 118 in for themselves. Their first pair were 140gr difference left to right so sent them back and the latest set is close to one another but around 2550gr each which is on the higher side for Blackops 118 weight. Blister just did a flash review on the SF 118 which I assume will say they are the same as they pretty much are.

Forgot where you mounted your BO 98 skis? Think they will be excellent carvers with their long effective edge and a sharp tune. Mine completely flat with a1/3 tune sharp tip to tail and only smooth above their widest points tip/tsil. Excited to try them.

140gr difference is unacceptable imho - kinda dissapointing, that should have been caught in QA.

I mounted my pair of BO98s at rec. I´ve been debating moving them back 1.5 (Cast brake mount), but - at the end of the day I am so happy with them at rec that I do not really see the need. As I wrote in my quiver post, kinda - they are not perfect but more than good enough.

I also think that having differences across the various widths wrt camber, rocker lines and flex just makes sense. Which makes me think that they should just make the SF98 already. Sender Souls aint it.

[mr_pretzel]

I skied the BO98 way back when it came out with jaguar topsheet in a 192 and wasn’t that impressed. All these glowing reviews make me want to get back on it, maybe the 182 is more fun. They need a 187 length in this one.

Also super lame rossi never brings out the 191- BO118, a bunch of the athletes have been skiing then for years

[phatty]

Also super lame rossi never brings out the 191- BO118, a bunch of the athletes have been skiing then for years

For real? The length is the reason I've never been interested in it. Anyone know a Rossi pro who's looking to sell?

[bearcub69]

anybody have a chance to compare these to the new mfree 112? would make sense that they're very similar, interested in the nuances

[bearcub69]

anybody have the sender 94? looks like its a non ti version this year and considering picking up a set for my father to replace his decade old kendos

[kc_7777]

Seems like I’m hardly posting on tgr these days cause I now own three HL skis (R120, FR110 and AM100) and I know they are gonna make me happy most inbounds days.

But this is tgr.

And I’m a gear whore.

Just read this whole thread. Cause a couple of skis I really like are my Season Aero (-3.0cm mount, 179 straight pull) and previously when I owned the Bent Chetler 120 (-3 as well and 182.5 pull) and I was pretty happy on both those. Kinda like that -3ish rec mount point and skiing really centered off my shins and feeling the big tails.

Seems like the SF 110 at-3.4cm and a 181.5 straight is kinda right in between the Aero and the BC120.

At 5’7” I’m thinking…. the SF 110 will ski pretty short on rec, which I know I’d like. So fo sho on the 184….which is really kinda a 183.

KC




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[kicool]

Rossi makes 8 pairs for their athletes. I have a pair that LP designed. 194 118.

[kicool]

Ski my 191 110 on the line. Skis best for what it is designed for there, can still crush that thing in everything but pow and skis park well. What else could ya need!

Powder go 118 186cm - I am 6ft 185lb naked. Lucky to have the longer 118s will report back.

[kicool]

Coming from blizzard rustler 192/bode 196 and Mfree 108/118 last 5-7 years.

Basically a better hard snow ski than the rustler. Rustler probs get the nod in pow.

[kicool]

Only ski I still have is the Bode in the 196. Go figure

[kid-kapow]

Logan's part is interesting in that you can so clearly see how these can be skied, more by placing one's tails than driving through the front. The final section is also just... Enjoy!