New Season, New Tires, New Thread

[Andeh]

I hated them, but it could also be the crazy soft side knobs or the really round profile rather than the radial casing. I like more squared off tires (2.4") and stiff casings. I have a mullet set of radial Marys (trail front, gravity rear) if someone wants to save from my experimentation.

[grinch]

I previously liked the big betty in gravity casing albeit a bit heavy and the soft compound rear wore relatively fast.
I thought maybe the same casing in a radial with a soft rear and supersoft front might be worth a bit of extra wear. I figured they might have something that wasnt quite so rounded of a profile with all the new models. Not a lot of experience with schwalbe as i was considering MM's but im not big on rounder profiles either.
They seemed to give an advantage to Amaury at Val di sol. Figured theyd be good eeb treads

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[HotSchmoo]

I hated them, but it could also be the crazy soft side knobs or the really round profile rather than the radial casing. I like more squared off tires (2.4") and stiff casings. I have a mullet set of radial Marys (trail front, gravity rear) if someone wants to save from my experimentation.

Yeah, like I had said before, squirmy Mary's on the front seem like no Bueno. It really makes me curious, though, if I would like a magic Mary on the back with a gravity casing and a firmer rubber compound.

[jm2e]

I’ve been liking my DH casing MM with purple compound for steep tech.
I’m not railing turns or schralping berms, so maybe that’s why a round casing works for me. I just want a front tire that makes me feel more safer when it gets more scarier.


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[Roxtar]

Definitely a weird looking tire, but it rides great. Reasonable weight, rolls well and corners fantastically. I like them quite a bit better than the DHF or Assegai I was running before.

It's like a DHF that doesn't suck.

[skinipenem]

It's like a DHF that doesn't suck.

Yo B!

How well does it brake?

How predictable is it when breakibg traction to drift, and then to hookup again?
Thx!

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[Roxtar]

Yo B! How well does it brake? How predictable is it when breakibg traction to drift, and then to hookup again? Thx! Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk

Hey Ben, 'sup?

That's what makes it a DHF that doesn't suck. All the deep-lean hookup without the drift. Braking is fine, pretty much unnoticeable, which is a good thing.

[SchralphMacchio]

Okay I'm legitimately curious in that Tioga.
That open middle should still be somewhat drifty when switching from corner-to-corner?
And in soft/wet soil it will should (edit) *clesr* from the middle faster than the corners.
Will have to try it ... Edge/Glide or Edge/Dissector could be super fun combos!

[grinch]

Yeah, like I had said before, squirmy Mary's on the front seem like no Bueno. It really makes me curious, though, if I would like a magic Mary on the back with a gravity casing and a firmer rubber compound.

I’ve been liking my DH casing MM with purple compound for steep tech.
I’m not railing turns or schralping berms, so maybe that’s why a round casing works for me. I just want a front tire that makes me feel more safer when it gets more scarier.


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I wonder how much squirm is the sidewall and how much is the knobs? Thats part of the reason i pretty much always have a dh front tire but dream of putting on an enduro. Mixed results with enduro casing w insert rear
What about the Albert or Shredda radial gravity casing ultra soft, depending on conditions? Those knobs look like they have a lot of support


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[HotSchmoo]

Hey Ben, 'sup?

That's what makes it a DHF that doesn't suck. All the deep-lean hookup without the drift. Braking is fine, pretty much unnoticeable, which is a good thing.

FWIW, the Vittoria Mazza is a DHF that doesn't suck.
I've only really done one ride on a rental SC Hightower bike in Santa Fe with DHF's front and rear. Hated iit, so ive shied off from the DHF ever since. Been on Assegai F for years now but got tired of the sloooow roll and so recently tried a Mazza on the front after using it as a rear last summer. Pretty great front imo. Decent rear although nothing special.

[Roxtar]

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Okay I&#39;m legitimately curious in that Tioga. That open middle should still be somewhat drifty when switching from corner-to-corner? And in soft/wet soil it will should (edit) *clesr* from the middle faster than the corners. Will have to try it ... Edge/Glide or Edge/Dissector could be super fun combos!

Edge22/Aggressor is a nice fast combo thats rails on NM hardpack.</p>

[Roxtar]

DHF's front and rear.

That's a whole nother level of suckage. Two wheel drifting to make every ride exciting.

[toast2266]

FWIW, the Vittoria Mazza is a DHF that doesn't suck.

The DHF is the DHF that doesn't suck.

You anti DHF guys are pissing into the wind. There's a reason it's the most popular and longest running tread pattern in existence.

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[HotSchmoo]

The DHF is the DHF that doesn't suck.

You anti DHF guys are pissing into the wind. There's a reason it's the most popular and longest running tread pattern in existence.

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Just your opinion man...
If you're into the DHF that's fine but i can tell the difference.
I probably would be fine with it in back and a grippier tire in front.

[east or bust]

Just put another set of Butchers on my enduro pig. No reason to change things.


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[toast2266]

Just your opinion man...
If you're into the DHF that's fine but i can tell the difference.
I probably would be fine with it in back and a grippier tire in front.

When the world cup guys start blacking out the logos on vittorias so they can run them instead of whatever tires they're sponsored by, I'll take note.

The vittorias I've used are just like plenty of other DHF clones. The tread shape is OK-ish. The casing and rubber options are worse than maxxis. As with assorted other tires, I'll run them because they're cheaper, but not because they're better.

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[Rossymcg]

The DHF is the DHF that doesn't suck.

You anti DHF guys are pissing into the wind. There's a reason it's the most popular and longest running tread pattern in existence.

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Agree with the above. Without pointing fingers, 95% of riders don't even know how to get the bike in a position to drift on the DHF

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[HotSchmoo]

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[Roxtar]

95% of riders dont even know how to get the bike in a position to drift on the DHF

I guess that would explain the love. Us 5%ers are less impressed. (said with tongue firmly in cheek)

[Canada1]

Has anyone ridden the Schwalbe radial. Is it in fact noticable in it's difference?

[g_man80]

When the world cup guys start blacking out the logos on vittorias so they can run them instead of whatever tires they are sponsored by I will take note. The vittorias I have used are just like plenty of other DHF clones. The tread shape is OK-ish. The casing and rubber options are worse than maxxis. As with assorted other tires, I will run them because they&#39;re cheaper, but not because they are better.

I thought the world cup guys have moved on to the Assegai and HRIII for the most part? I feel like it has been quite a while since there has been widespread use of the DHF, sharpied or not.

[toast2266]

I thought the world cup guys have moved on to the Assegai and HRIII for the most part? I feel like it has been quite a while since there has been widespread use of the DHF, sharpied or not.

I think it just depends on the course. DHF's are faster, so they're still getting used on dry tracks where rolling speed is more important. The softer the track and the more moisture there is, the more they're running HRIII (or maybe Shorty), with the Assegai as kind of an intermediate tire. And occasionaly DHR2's front and rear.



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[Canada1]

I hated them, but it could also be the crazy soft side knobs or the really round profile rather than the radial casing. I like more squared off tires (2.4&quot and stiff casings. I have a mullet set of radial Marys (trail front, gravity rear) if someone wants to save from my experimentation.

Thank you all for not blasting me on questions previously answered in the thread. On the radials, did the tread tear off? I had theat happe on a two sets of Schwalbe&#39;s and swore never to go back only to be caught up in the current internet hype.

[GravityDT]

Any word when/if we may see the Kryptotal Trail casing w/ softer compound??? Been looking to give these a whirl to replace the T9 Butcher/Eliminator grid trails I ran last season

[Andeh]

I only rode them for 2 rides, so the knobs are intact. I've also run the previous generation (the "Super" ones) and didn't have any knobs tear - I think that phenomenon was 2 generations back. The orange "Soft" rubber that people typically run in the rear does seem to wear down really fast compared to what I've gotten used to in Conti or Maxxis.