Moment Skis Discussion

[cocoapuff]

Have some minty 187 Meridians might be throwing up in GS soon, thought I'd see if any interest here first. They are the black, white, and tourquise ones re-released a couple winters ago. Not the original ones pressed in 2017 i think it was. They have 1.5 mounts. Pivots OTL 313 bsl and Pivots -3/4 from line for 296bsl. Heel holes were reused. Anyway drop me a line if anyone interested.

[DoubleBogey]

Listed my 194 Countach in GS if anyone is interested

[TransplantedFromRMNP]

Have some minty 187 Meridians might be throwing up in GS soon, thought I'd see if any interest here first. They are the black, white, and tourquise ones re-released a couple winters ago. Not the original ones pressed in 2017 i think it was. They have 1.5 mounts. Pivots OTL 313 bsl and Pivots -3/4 from line for 296bsl. Heel holes were reused. Anyway drop me a line if anyone interested.

Shot ya a PM


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[TransplantedFromRMNP]

Saw these on FB marketplace in Denver area. Not my sale.

https://www.facebook.com/share/19zKk...ibextid=wwXIfr


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[FloridaSnow]

Gonna order the og. Just sounds like too much fun

[alias_rice]

I’ve been holding off until we get a bit more base, but I’m gonna crack the seal on the Meridians I bought a few months ago today. [emoji638][emoji639] inches in the last few days with another [emoji637][emoji638]” on tap for today, should give me a good time.

[Blaster]

PSA some cheap older models for sale in South Lake Tahoe if it tickles anyone’s fancy. No relation to seller.

[zion zig zag]

I figure since I subjected you all to my mental illness hand wringing I could at least provide a review as a follow up.
Me: 49 years old, 5'10ish, 170 lbs.
Boots: Tecnica ZGTP
Bindings: Moment Voyager 13
Skis: Moment DWT 112 - 184

So I have a few days on these now and can give some initial thoughts. First day I just skied a few runs at the resort, conditions off trail were soft, cruddy bumps and groomers were smooth and fast. They pivoted easily in the soft chunder and made easy turns and I didn't really have to think about making any adjustments to my skiing other than dialing in the speed due to the light skis and boots and being on a tech binding. I typically would have been on a QST Blank and Mach 1 130's which is obviously going to be faster and smoother, but the DWT gave me no problems and were fun. On the groomers I feel like I did have to make some adjustments to my style. I got a little bit of chatter from the tips at the completion of the turns and I suspect it was the way I was weighting them, either too much shin pressure or not enough. I didn't really spend much time figuring it out though as I really don't care how they ski groomers and it was fine anyway. I also did have at least one sensation of the outside ski carving away from me and down the fall line when tried to really get up on edge angle. Again, didn't explore this much.

On to the bc on the weekend, I was able to ski 6000 feet Saturday and 4000 feet Sunday. Conditions were mostly settled pow, with some wind crusts, light avy debris, wet snow and some refrozen breakable crust. First time I ripped skins I was on top of an 1800 foot face that ranges from 35-40 degrees, with the dense settled snow. The snow had just enough wind texture to it that you weren't quite sure if you'd run into a crust but overall it was smooth, boot top, wind cream pow. I'd say that compared to my previous bc ski, 184 V Werks Katana, the DWT was 15% less chargey. I just didn't have the full confidence to step on the gas and drive the tips like I would have on that ski. But....when I came to tight spots between clifs, or having to ski through light avy debris and didn't want to charge...way easier, just intuitive. Super easy to get through tight spots and stay balanced, where as with the Katana if I didn't drive in those spots I would get rocked back seat and feel less controlled.

The next spot I noticed a difference from the Katana was on a low elevation exit couloir. The snow for the top half of the couloir was dense, hot pow. Again the DWT was surfy and easy and I could make any turn shape I wanted and switch it up instantly with what felt like little input. The bottom half of the couloir was soft, wet avy debris from the snow that had shed off the walls above. I skied the entire shot in one go and went well out the apron out the bottom and didn't think much of it. My partners, who I would consider to be very strong skiers, and fitter than me, both had to pull up on the wall of the couloir and take a breather half way through. The only thing I can attribute this to is just how easy the DWT is to ski in tough conditions.

Next day, went again and skied more settled pow and felt even more comfortable, went a little faster and the ski felt fine, no weird manners and I don't think I skied any differently than I would have on the Katana. The skis are light and easy to climb, and I was surprised that I didn't get hung up on all that tail when doing kick turns.

Overall, super happy so far. I'm happy to lose that 15% top end of the Katana for what the ski brings everywhere else. Can't wait to get some more time, hopefully some deep blower pow to see how they handle that as I'm pretty confident I'll like them everywhere else.

Just a quick update. I skied Teton Pass Saturday and conditions were probably 30+ inches of new snow with the top layer being upside down, heavier in the top 4-6 inches. Avy conditions were moderate to considerable so we stuck to sub 30 degree trees. The DWT's were definitely undergunned for this application and I struggled to keep tips from submarine-ing. I don't think I felt the front of my boots all day. Hard to say if another "normal" width and length ski would've been better without being able to a/b them. Hopefully I get a chance to ski them in more pow conditions soon to see what I think but I was wishing for more width and length Saturday for sure.

[Skeeze]

Just a quick update. I skied Teton Pass Saturday and conditions were probably 30+ inches of new snow with the top layer being upside down, heavier in the top 4-6 inches. Avy conditions were moderate to considerable so we stuck to sub 30 degree trees. The DWT's were definitely undergunned for this application and I struggled to keep tips from submarine-ing. I don't think I felt the front of my boots all day. Hard to say if another "normal" width and length ski would've been better without being able to a/b them. Hopefully I get a chance to ski them in more pow conditions soon to see what I think but I was wishing for more width and length Saturday for sure.

Your original review and update match my experiences completely. Except I also ski the standard DW, so I’ve gotten over the slight triple camber weirdness on groomers that some people feel for about a day.

In deep, heavy pow, I use Billy Goat Tours (oldest version based on the Asyms that I love). I’ve compared them to DWTs and Wildcat Tours and the difference in float is massive. A 184 Billy Goat Tour provides significantly more float than a 190 Wildcat Tour, tested on the same day with a touring partner who weighs about the same as me.

Of course the Billy Goat Tours are worse in every other condition except pow, but if you’re going to be skiing a lot of pow, I do think it’s worth getting a pow-specific touring ski.

[zion zig zag]

Your original review and update match my experiences completely. Except I also ski the standard DW, so I’ve gotten over the slight triple camber weirdness on groomers that some people feel for about a day.

In deep, heavy pow, I use Billy Goat Tours (oldest version based on the Asyms that I love). I’ve compared them to DWTs and Wildcat Tours and the difference in float is massive. A 184 Billy Goat Tour provides significantly more float than a 190 Wildcat Tour, tested on the same day with a touring partner who weighs about the same as me.

Of course the Billy Goat Tours are worse in every other condition except pow, but if you’re going to be skiing a lot of pow, I do think it’s worth getting a pow-specific touring ski.

I really want to avoid a quiver of bc skis, other than a spring/ski mountaineering ski. I'll give the DWT some more time, but hoping I can click with them for powder.

[GoSlowGoFar]

I really want to avoid a quiver of bc skis, other than a spring/ski mountaineering ski. I'll give the DWT some more time, but hoping I can click with them for powder.

Which length are you on? In my experience on the 184s, anything over 12-18” (depending on snow density) and low angle I was definitely getting bogged down on the DWT. Honestly most any quiver of one ski I’ve been on tends to lack for this use case.

[Shaaarrrp]

I feel like you need a good amount of time in varied conditions to truly get the Deathwish. I was on those things for over an entire season before I really felt connected to the entire ski. They were fun as hell and I didn't know what I was missing but there is clear difference when you start steering with the back/middle almost as much as the front. They like a lot of flex/unflexed movement with the feet/toes/ankles versus simple body weight or just keeping your shins pushed forward in the boot.

To me, the DW feels like I'm dancing

Fwiw, I'm on the 184 DW and can only remember a single time I wished I had longer, skiing at Alta.

5'9 190-200ish

[GoSlowGoFar]

I feel like you need a good amount of time in varied conditions to truly get the Deathwish. I was on those things for over an entire season before I really felt connected to the entire ski. They were fun as hell and I didn't know what I was missing but there is clear difference when you start steering with the back/middle almost as much as the front. They like a lot of flex/unflexed movement with the feet/toes/ankles versus simple body weight or just keeping your shins pushed forward in the boot.

To me, the DW feels like I'm dancing

Fwiw, I'm on the 184 DW and can only remember a single time I wished I had longer, skiing at Alta.

5'9 190-200ish

How often are you milking sub-30 degree, 30” deep pow turns at Alta though? At a certain point the float isn’t there no matter how centered you stay on the ski. Not a huge deal if you’re able to ski steeper terrain in the resort which helps keep the ski up, but for milking low angle pow laps there are better skis imo.

[Sargentdrufus]

How often are you milking sub-30 degree, 30” deep pow turns at Alta though? At a certain point the float isn’t there no matter how centered you stay on the ski. Not a huge deal if you’re able to ski steeper terrain in the resort which helps keep the ski up, but for milking low angle pow laps there are better skis imo.

I would say for sub 28° and over 24" it's hard to get adequate speed to really take advantage of the DWT shape. Something like that I would want fatter and more rear mounted. That being said 4.5 years in to skiing the DWT through all types of snow that you can find in the Wasatch. I have never found any issues with tip dive with the DWT. I guess because I don't try to drive the shovel of that ski, given the Camber and rocker profiles + mount point I would say if you're trying to drive the shovel of that ski especially in powder.youre asking it to do something it wasn't designed for. In corn or firmer sure you can drive it with a more forward stance. But even on low and deeper days in the Wasatch I haven't found it to have insurmountable or even diminished returns when I ski. I can tell you the DWT for sure appreciates.keeping your weight between the ball of the foot and heel, and you can be pretty chargey on it. The Meridian Tour prefers or responds better to a stance with weight from your arch to just in front of the toe binding. I love both of those skis but driving the DWT is done closer to the binding than the shovel if that makes sense.

I did a low angle pow tour this afternoon in boot deep semi dense (for the wastach) supportive pow and it was an absolute hoot.

But yes for milking deep low angle turns I would choose something that wasn't the DWT. Or anything sub 118mm underfoot.

[jbrine]

Does anyone ski comis? Just picked up a used pair for $100 and figured it was worth the Benjamin to play on them when we get some deeeep days (and some pond skip days end of season). I know they are primarily built for heli guides. Just looking for any first hand experience.


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[Shaaarrrp]

How often are you milking sub-30 degree, 30” deep pow turns at Alta though? At a certain point the float isn’t there no matter how centered you stay on the ski. Not a huge deal if you’re able to ski steeper terrain in the resort which helps keep the ski up, but for milking low angle pow laps there are better skis imo.

Honestly not dialed in enough to comment accurately simply because I don't know what is and isn't 30% and at Alta I think we're mostly skiing a foot of fresh. Even in the 900 inch season, I wasn't knee deep on many days.

I'm mostly riding West Rustler, Freds Trees or somewhere off the traverse but the DW still seems super fun on the more moderate part of Ballroom which has to be under 30, but 30+ inch days are pretty rare. Probably not much milking of turns though.

One thing I'd say is that although the stance is "centered," where I am putting weight (fore or aft) is always changing, even on a single run. Regardless if it's a groomer day or 1-3 foot, fore/aft pressure drastically changes how this thing skis and both ways are beneficial on every run depending on the terrain/conditions at that given moment. This may be true for all skis but I also felt like toe engagement/lift results in a bigger difference on the DW than other skis, especially on deep days.

Take this with a grain of salt cause I haven't been on many skis. I just know when I went back to my Enforcer, I felt like a worse skier because it didn't like my new technique very much.

[Blaster]

Does anyone ski comis? Just picked up a used pair for $100 and figured it was worth the Benjamin to play on them when we get some deeeep days (and some pond skip days end of season). I know they are primarily built for heli guides. Just looking for any first hand experience.


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They are super fun. IMO they are most unique for being a super fat ski that isn’t built to be mega surfy. Surfing pow is fun but so railing turns in deep pow on a 30+ meter turn radius ski. Plus airplane turns will never be easier. I can’t speak to how they handle chop because I only toured on mine but did get them out for a very enjoyable 4-6 days per season. They did fine meadows skipping but were most fun when there was some pitch and room to open things up. Enjoy them!

[jbrine]

That does sound like a blast. Former FIS racer so I do love throwing some speed turns when it’s soft. Thanks!


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[SnowMachine]

I really want to avoid a quiver of bc skis, other than a spring/ski mountaineering ski. I'll give the DWT some more time, but hoping I can click with them for powder.

My deep snow touring ski is just my inbounds/motorized BC powder ski: 191 Renegade with Duke PT's. It's heavy, but I know it won't let me down on the best days.

[SnowMachine]

I feel like you need a good amount of time in varied conditions to truly get the Deathwish. I was on those things for over an entire season before I really felt connected to the entire ski. They were fun as hell and I didn't know what I was missing but there is clear difference when you start steering with the back/middle almost as much as the front. They like a lot of flex/unflexed movement with the feet/toes/ankles versus simple body weight or just keeping your shins pushed forward in the boot.

To me, the DW feels like I'm dancing

Fwiw, I'm on the 184 DW and can only remember a single time I wished I had longer, skiing at Alta.

5'9 190-200ish

That's how I feel about the 184 DW inbounds. 6' 160lbs. I do ski almost exclusively steep terrain when it's soft so that helps with not feeling bogged down.

[zion zig zag]

How often are you milking sub-30 degree, 30” deep pow turns at Alta though? At a certain point the float isn’t there no matter how centered you stay on the ski. Not a huge deal if you’re able to ski steeper terrain in the resort which helps keep the ski up, but for milking low angle pow laps there are better skis imo.

I think this is the reality I need to hear. How often am I skiing low angle 30+" of new that is upside down? I'd say a more common touring pow day is 6-12" of new, or pow that is several days old and has settled somewhat. I probably just need many more days to learn this ski. And unfortunately the slow start to the season has me thinking of skiing more than skiing so far.

[Mogreen]

My attempt on a review of the Countach 104 ,182cm. TL;DR - maybe the best ski I have ever had attached to my feet


Skiing at Stevens Pass with Bandit Man and started the day on perfect corduroy and these skis can rail. Hit 48mph and no chatter, just so smooth. Once the perfect crinkle cut potato chip trail started getting chopped up, time to head over to leftover variable snow on the sides of the trails.

Best description here was hot knife through soft butter, skis just go. You do need to lean and drive the shovels, but you are rewarded.

Bumps with scratchy backside, no problem. Need to scrub speed in a hurry, no problem.

This ski has almost everything, edge hold, tails that pop, killer in the bumps, and for an old man like me, no need to be driving them all day, these could probably work as you yell "pizza" to your little kid on the green trails.

The almost is for deeper pow - would probably not be the best ski with 6+" on the ground, but will give them a shot this weekend.

[Going Coastal]

From that review it sounds like the Countach 104 would be a great daily and might be the ski I need if my Commander 98s ever die. I heavily detuned the tails to get better release in heavier snow for versatility, and it sounds like maybe they accomplished the same by modifying tail rocker without the downside of losing sharpness in the back of the ski. Would love to hear how they perform when things get really firm.

[SkiGinger]

My attempt on a review of the Countach 104 ,182cm. TL;DR - maybe the best ski I have ever had attached to my feet


Skiing at Stevens Pass with Bandit Man and started the day on perfect corduroy and these skis can rail. Hit 48mph and no chatter, just so smooth. Once the perfect crinkle cut potato chip trail started getting chopped up, time to head over to leftover variable snow on the sides of the trails.

Best description here was hot knife through soft butter, skis just go. You do need to lean and drive the shovels, but you are rewarded.

Bumps with scratchy backside, no problem. Need to scrub speed in a hurry, no problem.

This ski has almost everything, edge hold, tails that pop, killer in the bumps, and for an old man like me, no need to be driving them all day, these could probably work as you yell "pizza" to your little kid on the green trails.

The almost is for deeper pow - would probably not be the best ski with 6+" on the ground, but will give them a shot this weekend.

Agree 10/10 with everything here. Love the ski and glad I picked it up. Now they need to do a lambo top sheet.

[FloridaSnow]

Has anyone ordered the og?