ON3P SKIS Discussion

[skuff]

Posted this photo somewhere here before, but the skis grip ice good enough *

One ninety one ON3P Jeffrey One Oh Eight




EDIT 01/17/25 I was racing again last night and was able to control the skid/sliding on ice, but didn't come close to my edges having any "grip" on the icy course

It's not a race ski and try to keep your edges sharp

[jackattack]

Same dorks who think a company can survive by catering only to their specific use case as they slowly fossilize.

That’s ok. Someone else saw the opportunity and is building skis that we want.

[CascadeLuke]

^He’s not wrong. After base grinding my third pair of fresh skis and not being responded to by S on a few buying questions. I’ve bought three this year from HL and I’m real happy. Do these young park rats spend two to three K a year on new skis - year after year?

[phatty]

Same dorks who think a company can survive by catering only to their specific use case as they slowly fossilize.

I hope ON3P is successful in the route they've chosen. The still make great skis and I wished they had one that worked for my "specific use case" which isn't particularly uncommon. I'll still happily ski their old skis until they make something that works the way I want. I decided I'd opt out of their testing with release skis after dropping close to $1K on a pair of beautiful skis that sucked on snow (as reported by almost every TGR purchaser that year). I'll happily buy a new BG once they dial it in. I'm really looking forward to skiing my Jeff 118s since reports are that it's dialed.

[Marko888]

I pulled the trigger on a woodsman 92 during the Black Friday sale. First day on it was today at Sunday River on cold firm conditions. Overall I like the ski, but the stock tune really limited them in these conditions. The edges are true, but are not sharp whatsoever. They also have an aggressive detune all the way to the contact points (surprised they went as hard with the detune in this ski since it’s more firm snow oriented). Tails felt really washy and the tips didn’t engage well as a result. Today they were not at all confidence inspiring. My hope is a tune will help them lock in, but I’m not stoked that I feel it necessary to take them to a shop on day one.


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Sounds a lot like the experience I had with a Woodsman 102 from four years ago. They were great in soft but squirrelly on piste.

I had my local shop hang a sharper tune on them and they’ve been really good ever since.

[SkiLyft]

That’s ok. Someone else saw the opportunity and is building skis that we want.

^He’s not wrong. After base grinding my third pair of fresh skis and not being responded to by S on a few buying questions. I’ve bought three this year from HL and I’m real happy. Do these young park rats spend two to three K a year on new skis - year after year?

#truth

[TeleBeaver]

I had wren 96's for five seasons and recently got rid of them because they never hooked up on firm snow as well as I would have liked, despite trying a few different tunes. They had nearly zero grip on truly firm snow. Soft groomers? Sure you could carve. Actual firm snow? Dangerous to commit to an edge too hard. I just chalked it up to it being outside of the design of the ski. They were incredible off piste, super loose but also stable, and are the best sub 100mm skis I have ever skied in untracked snow. Great in the bumps, forgiving even. They had massive tip rocker and splay, so even when I was carving them on soft groomers you could overdrive the tip easily. All the support was right under the binding and back towards the tail. I think the combo of low torsional rigidity and deep rocker lines made them particularly bad on groomers, and I think that rings true for most on3p models. They aren't made for piste skiing, and unfortunately that is a lot of the skiing some of us have to do. I wish I could try the metal version of the same ski, I bet it makes up a bit of the on piste performance.

[tuco]

Meh!
User error.
Who buys not great @ carving hardpack skis and then complains about it's non carving on hardpack abilities

[tuco]

Fuck Yeah!


Right tool for the job

[SkiLyft]

Who buys not great @ carving hardpack skis and then complains about it's non carving on hardpack abilities

Perhaps when that person buys a ski which was built for resort pow that equally lays train tracks on cord! Turns out they don’t have to be mutually exclusive. *shrugs*

[2FUNKY]

Ohenthreepeee threads are funny.
Tuco, that line looks dope man!! Afraid to quote you for fear of the emoji virus.

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[tuco]

Perhaps when that person buys a ski which was built for resort pow that equally lays train tracks on cord! Turns out they don’t have to be mutually exclusive. *shrugs*

Hahaha!
Just givin ya some shit! I shoulda put a smiley in there

Also, you know those Boneshakers I'm always spouting off about? The ON3P's have a huge fun factor

[SkiLyft]

^^^hahahaha figured as much!! Seriously, that line looks dope as fuck!


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[tuco]

Ohenthreepeee threads are funny.
Tuco, that line looks dope man!! Afraid to quote you for fear of the emoji virus.

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Baldy Main Chute down into Alta on Mem Day Weekend

[tuco]

Is the current generation of Billy Goat asymmetrical?
Did I ski them on the wrong feet or do I just need to detune the tails (it felt like I couldn't turn)? Or were conditions at Baker on Saturday morning just that terrible?
Also if I loved the Moment Wildcat and love my Wildcat 108's, should I be on the Jeffrey instead of the Billy Goat? Or just on another pair of Wildcats?

Yep, you should be on Jeffs

[jackattack]

Fuck Yeah!

Right tool for the job

2014 was a good vintage

2013 was a fine year too

[beeeom]

So.....I don't think I'm the sharpest tool in the shed and mounted my 191cm 118 BG's on center. Feel like I am skiing too far in the back on them. Hence why I think I screwed up. Got Look Pivots on there - thinking of re-mouting forward. Couple questions - how forward of Centerline should I be going? Also, how much distance do you need between binding holes to retain the strength. I ain't small and push 6'3" and 235 lbs.

Which goats u got? I've gone between +1.5 and +2 with great success on various years/sizes

[beeeom]

I hope ON3P is successful in the route they've chosen. The still make great skis and I wished they had one that worked for my "specific use case" which isn't particularly uncommon. I'll still happily ski their old skis until they make something that works the way I want. I decided I'd opt out of their testing with release skis after dropping close to $1K on a pair of beautiful skis that sucked on snow (as reported by almost every TGR purchaser that year). I'll happily buy a new BG once they dial it in. I'm really looking forward to skiing my Jeff 118s since reports are that it's dialed.

The latest gen BG 118 (released last winter) is a damn near replica of my 2013 BG's (greatest ski ever)

[phatty]

The latest gen BG 118 (released last winter) is a damn near replica of my 2013 BG's (greatest ski ever)

That's great to hear. Hopefully we get more people saying it skis the same. Agreed that the 2013/14 versions are the best powder skis I've been on.

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[cocoapuff]

My 187 BG110s stock layup are the best skis I have ever owned. Scored some 2014s end of last season and added some current 118s to the lineup so excited to compare the three different generations. Early feedback on the current 118 sounds good.

Does HL make a ski with tails that disappear like a BG but still charges and can be driven? I know their FR series are super pivoty and bite an edge better than a BG, but they require a more upright stance. I moved on from my FR110s because of this and that they had too much tail for my liking.

Also, as big of an on3p fan as i am, I would never consider the brand for a high angle groomer ski. Especially on the east coast. The narrow Wrens and Woods are all great low tide skis but aren't gonna bite, nor finish a turn along the skis radius or effective edge like a blizzard, volkl, etc. That same "dullness" is precisely what makes ON3P so great when there is any accumulation on the ground.

[Bandit Man]

My 187 BG110s stock layup are the best skis I have ever owned. Scored some 2014s end of last season and added some current 118s to the lineup so excited to compare the three different generations. Early feedback on the current 118 sounds good.

Does HL make a ski with tails that disappear like a BG but still charges and can be driven? I know their FR series are super pivoty and bite an edge better than a BG, but they require a more upright stance. I moved on from my FR110s because of this and that they had too much tail for my liking.

Also, as big of an on3p fan as i am, I would never consider the brand for a high angle groomer ski. Especially on the east coast. The narrow Wrens and Woods are all great low tide skis but aren't gonna bite, nor finish a turn along the skis radius or effective edge like a blizzard, volkl, etc. That same "dullness" is precisely what makes ON3P so great when there is any accumulation on the ground.

Cocoa - I think you have provided one of the more honest and accurate assessments of what you works with ON3P skis...soft snow prowess, especially in dense coastal snowpacks. I've never been impressed by their on piste performance either, but as you point out, there are other brands out there where that is their forte.

Session - I think you miss the point and your closeness to the people behind the brand puts you in a position of ardent defender of the faith when it need not be. People here love Billy Goats, myself included. What is disappointing is that many people feel like that product/model fell off along the way and they are left to source older models to keep that BG vibe alive. What you are missing is that I gush about my BG's and are responsible for lots of people skiing them in my little circle. What pains me is that I haven't had the confidence to encourage my friends to by a new model from ON3P because of the inconsistencies reported here. That doesn't make that part of the customer base dorks or fossils, but rather disappointed and perhaps disillusioned. I'm definitely in that mix of customer. Bitten by two poor tunes on two skis I was really excited about. However, I've picked up two more new ON3P's over the summer and am cautiously optimistic about re-capturing some of the excitement I used to feel about the brand. Finally, a few years ago, I felt like ON3P was nothing more than a park ski company. It may be accurate to revise that to a parks and freestyle ski company. There's nothing wrong with that. A company needs to tailor it's products to be profitable, as you stated earlier. I suspect that the BG is on the cusp of being a custom only model, and that probably makes sense. Here's to many more years of Scott and team making great skis people want to buy and continued kavitching by this community about changing the sacred BG from the mid 2010's.

[Doremite]

I am fine skidding huge high speed arcs on my Wren 96s on firm. As a telemark skiers I am fairly fluid and undisciplined but to each his own.

I do think the “ripper rocker” advertising is trying to sell buyers on a more firm snow performance - my ears perked up - so if that doesn’t really work, not cool, but I’d like to figure that out for myself at some point perhaps.

Great day today at smugglers notch (VT) - 5” down on all kinds of firm unidentifiable crap in addition to ice bulges. WD96 protos did just fine by me.

All that said it is a PNW ski co focused on dialing skis for that climate (and rails and walls?) so I would bite MY tongue before bitching about their performance on shitty ec snow. Sorry Dhiler’s 92s didn’t work out for him. I can see the deep - perhaps even ripper - rocker lines not working for a lot of ec skiers.

I have experienced a OG WD108 tune issue that was absolutely not preference driven. It was the most unskiabke ski I ever attempted to ski. Almost threw my back out trying to get them to submit. @Bandit, our series #s were close per Iggy. ON3P was sympathetic and responsive about it. Tune was a magic wand. Think they were base high but I understand this to be rare and I am taking ~5 years ago. I got a cool deal through ON3P on “blems” (no idea why, slight top sheet fading??) so wasn’t about to bitch about the $60 tune I forked over locally to actually get the skis respond to me. I don’t blame people for bitching about similar experience, especially after paying retail. It’s seems common “enough” to not feel contrived.

I still love ON3P skis - exceptional builds and the wrenegade line blends great w my skiing style (rip). Maybe they should ship through Sandy and let MO ship ‘em

[carlh]

I traded woodsman 102s for bonafide 97s and the difference on hard pack was night and day in grip. That said the difference in looseness in anything soft was almost as pronounced in the opposite direction. This is why we have quivers.

[Falcon3]

. Holy fuck she was fully completing…. Truly it was beautiful to witness!!

I just want to say bravo for helping your wife get to full completion, too many husbands neglect this after being together as long as you have been. If only we could all witness it!

[SkiLyft]

^^ taking one for the team here, oh and sorry not sorry she won’t be going in the Ullr thread…


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