Speaking of Fat People: The National Association to Advance FAT Acceptance(NAAFA).

[bennymac]

Whose guideline is this?

XXX’rs home province:

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/mental-h...se/alcohol-use

[pfluffenmeister]

The McRib thread is sandwiched right next to this one right now

Mmmmm, sandwich.

[XXX-er]

XXX’rs home province:

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/mental-h...se/alcohol-use

well I have a health consultant, a retired MD, he does periodic wellness checks

which means he either wants an espresso or a drink, it convivial cuz have a real bar with bar stools in my living area

I try and drink about as much as he does and so far its worked out,

bro was the 1st person to tell me " moderation in all things including moderation "

[bennymac]

Medical school teaches one how to deal with disease. There is very little time spent on how to live healthy, eat healthy etc.

[XXX-er]

AND those early MD's are great at the over work but some guys are natural at not working much not eating much

I asked bro how long he had been semi retired ... since 1992

[The AD]

bro was the 1st person to tell me " moderation in all things including moderation "

Ha ha, I love it!

Jesus, advocating no more than two drinks per week is pretty fucking draconian.

[XXX-er]

Ha ha, I love it!

Jesus, advocating no more than two drinks per week is pretty fucking draconian.

yeah so no body is gona even try for 2 drinks a week while 2 per day is not a bad figure to shoot for per day

and I don't know how many drinks Jesus recommended but he was a carpenter, turned water into wine did a little fishing , hung out with shady women all of which sounds like a lot of guys I know in the valley

[The AD]

He could turn water into wine, but he was also pretty skinny, so I figure he didn't imbibe as much as he could have. Or maybe that transubstantiated wine is calorie free?

[fomofo]

Or maybe he was on that 60's diet?

[fomofo]

Should be an interesting confirmation hearing. If there is one.

High-fructose corn syrup “is just a formula for making you obese and diabetic,” he has said in promotional videos, often pinning blame for the state of American grain production on Democrats and promising to “immediately” take processed foods out of the school lunch program and ban food stamps from being used to buy processed foods and sweet drinks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/10/u...orn-trump.html

[neufox47]

Interesting podcasts on Ozenpic and GLP[emoji637]’s:

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[californiagrown]

[QUOTE=neufox47;7168195]Interesting podcasts on Ozenpic and GLP[emoji637]’s:

So i heard on the radio that some people's insurance wasnt covering their Ozempic/Waygove/Semiglutide and it was costing them +$1000/month.


A quick google shows a ton of compounding pharmacies and UGLs that sell semiglutide for 3-5mg/$100. The recommended dosage is ~0.5-1mg/week per the Ozempic website.


Am i missing something here? How in the everloving fuck are people being charged more than 10x the cost? Now, if you want to argue that $100/month is expensive, i frankly agree- that is a significant cost. But holy shit how can a doctor prescribe something so widely available (through legit, safe official compounding pharmacies) that is 10x the cost??

[The AD]

Now, if you want to argue that $100/month is expensive, i frankly agree- that is a significant cost.

They're probably saving that much by buying less food. Okay, maybe not that much, but with the cost of groceries I'm sure it's significant.

[neufox47]

[QUOTE=californiagrown;7168211]

Interesting podcasts on Ozenpic and GLP[emoji637]’s:

So i heard on the radio that some people's insurance wasnt covering their Ozempic/Waygove/Semiglutide and it was costing them +$1000/month.


A quick google shows a ton of compounding pharmacies and UGLs that sell semiglutide for 3-5mg/$100. The recommended dosage is ~0.5-1mg/week per the Ozempic website.


Am i missing something here? How in the everloving fuck are people being charged more than 10x the cost? Now, if you want to argue that $100/month is expensive, i frankly agree- that is a significant cost. But holy shit how can a doctor prescribe something so widely available (through legit, safe official compounding pharmacies) that is 10x the cost??

I don’t get it either, I know some people who have bought ones from services and compounding pharmacies. Also one who bought some that has to be reconstituted and is “for research only”.

[Dantheman]

Am i missing something here? How in the everloving fuck are people being charged more than 10x the cost? Now, if you want to argue that $100/month is expensive, i frankly agree- that is a significant cost. But holy shit how can a doctor prescribe something so widely available (through legit, safe official compounding pharmacies) that is 10x the cost??

A lot of doctors simply aren't down with compounding pharmacies. Compounded drugs are not FDA-approved so many doctors won't prescribe them for liability reasons. I think a lot of doctors also don't trust patients to correctly dose themselves (they come in bulk vials and patients have to pull the correct dosage into insulin syringes), and a lot of patients aren't necessarily comfortable with this themselves. Also, my understanding is that it's legal to compound these drugs because there's an official shortage, but with production being ramped up massively that may end soon. There's probably a lot of doctors who don't want their patients to get the rug pulled out from under them if/when that happens.

[Mudfoot]

So an appetite suppressant that lets people eat whatever they want is a get out of jail free card.

Just saw an article about the large number of people on Ozempic, etc. who are going to their doctors to see if they can go off it for the holidays or when taking a cruise so they can ramp up their eating for a while. My point has always been that a huge number of obese people are seeking the drug not as a way to jumpstart a new thinner healthier lifestyle but to continue to eat all the shit they want. Another donut, no problem, I'll just go back on Ozempic again. Unfortunately weight loss drugs do not change a person's psych issues. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I do not see the forthcoming mass distribution of these new weight loss drugs as a solution to the obesity problem Most people do not really want a pathway to a new healthy lifestyle, they just want a quick shortcut to "thinner" in a pill.

[jono]

Just saw an article about the large number of people on Ozempic, etc. who are going to their doctors to see if they can go off it for the holidays or when taking a cruise so they can ramp up their eating for a while. My point has always been that a huge number of obese people are seeking the drug not as a way to jumpstart a new thinner healthier lifestyle but to continue to eat all the shit they want. Another donut, no problem, I'll just go back on Ozempic again. Unfortunately weight loss drugs do not change a person's psych issues. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I do not see the forthcoming mass distribution of these new weight loss drugs as a solution to the obesity problem Most people do not really want a pathway to a new healthy lifestyle, they just want a quick shortcut to "thinner" in a pill.

It just seems like your brain needs more time learning how brains work.

If there is a thing that changes what you want, and then you do what you want, then the thing changes what you do. That's where the effect comes from: appetite suppressed means wanting to eat less. So eating what you want means eating less. The extra donut does not get eaten because it is not wanted.

Please read that twice. TIA

[frorider]

Just saw an article about the large number of people on Ozempic, etc. who are going to their doctors to see if they can go off it for the holidays or when taking a cruise so they can ramp up their eating for a while. My point has always been that a huge number of obese people are seeking the drug not as a way to jumpstart a new thinner healthier lifestyle but to continue to eat all the shit they want. Another donut, no problem, I'll just go back on Ozempic again. Unfortunately weight loss drugs do not change a person's psych issues. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I do not see the forthcoming mass distribution of these new weight loss drugs as a solution to the obesity problem Most people do not really want a pathway to a new healthy lifestyle, they just want a quick shortcut to "thinner" in a pill.

Link to the article? Or is this it: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...ow/ar-AA1wmENE

[Mudfoot]

It just seems like your brain needs more time learning how brains work.

If there is a thing that changes what you want, and then you do what you want, then the thing changes what you do. That's where the effect comes from: appetite suppressed means wanting to eat less. TIA

If that were true then all those people would not be asking to get off the drug for the holidays. Apparently their brains did not really want to eat less. You are talking about temporarily blocking a symptom, not treating the underlying problem.

But shit, don't listen to me, I don't even know how brains work.

[m2711c]

But shit, don't listen to me, I don't even know how brains work.

good advice.

[jono]

Imagine if there was a difference between what you feel you want in the moment and what you want to feel that you want in the moment. And think maybe people want to want different things at different times.

Before we get to whether that's a problem or not we need to recognize the basics. Or, we can just do it how we feel like and draw conclusions first and work back to whatever supports them. While we're thinking of how brains work.

[boltonoutlaw]

As a former frequent business traveler I had a hard time reading the airline traveler section:







I bought a seat, you bought a seat, part of that includes the divider.

Agreed, You can bet all your back fat if you raise that armrest one mm to share your side gock with me things go south fast.

How about i get an upgrade for maintaining my health?

[Trackhead]

A lot of doctors simply aren't down with compounding pharmacies. Compounded drugs are not FDA-approved so many doctors won't prescribe them for liability reasons. I think a lot of doctors also don't trust patients to correctly dose themselves (they come in bulk vials and patients have to pull the correct dosage into insulin syringes), and a lot of patients aren't necessarily comfortable with this themselves. Also, my understanding is that it's legal to compound these drugs because there's an official shortage, but with production being ramped up massively that may end soon. There's probably a lot of doctors who don't want their patients to get the rug pulled out from under them if/when that happens.

This^^^^^

Compounding pharmacy products are not regulated to the same standards and their end products are not FDA approved. For me, with my license, I’m not prescribing Ozempic through compounding pharmacies. Patient safety, I prefer to be conservative with such things.

Plenty of predatory backdoor sketchy providers are happy to do that. I’m not. I follow the straight and narrow when it comes to prescribing.

[fomofo]

Interesting podcasts on Ozenpic and GLP[emoji637]’s:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...omics-radio/id[emoji639][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji637][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]]?i=[emoji637][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji640]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji639]][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji639]][emoji637]

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For anyone else who had trouble accessing that link I believe this is the content it was attempting to get to...

In a wide-ranging conversation with Ezekiel Emanuel, the policymaking physician and medical gadfly, we discuss the massive effects of GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic, Wegovy, and Mounjaro. We also talk about the state of cancer care, mysteries in the gut microbiome, flaws in the U.S. healthcare system — and what a second Trump term means for healthcare policy.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/is-...l-as-it-sounds

I listened to it during a long drive recently. Good discussion about GLP-1 stuff, toward the end also has some interesting comments on latter stage of life. You can listen to the prodcast and/or read the full transcript using the link above.

And from this evening's TV news...

[neufox47]

People are microdosing Ozempic now too. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/w...e=articleShare

I won’t be surprised if this becomes common for people to maintain their weight loss, at least for the first year or two. I’ve been told and experienced that bodies want to stay roughly the same weight and it takes a year plus for it to recalibrate and stop going back to the old normal. I imagine it’s the same for people losing the weight with a peptide.


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