Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[jackstraw]

^looks like a great bike back in the day

[toast2266]

1x11 worked arguably better than 1x12 does... just lacks the range, duh.

1x11 was way better than 1x12. Shifted better and was more durable. And the range was fine with 26" wheels, but it's painful with 29" wheels.

[evasive_MT]

My last 2x was a '14 or '15 Fatbike. Good riddance 2x!

Did anyone ever run a dropper with a 2x? Bit of a cluster at the bar if so.

Yeah, I built a bike in 2009 with a Joplin and a bike in 2012 with a Reverb. Neither shifter was like the modern paddle shifters, so the interference wasn’t too bad. The Reverb on top of the bar was better, but it’s an awkward location to use.

[Terrapin Ben]

1x11 was way better than 1x12. Shifted better and was more durable. And the range was fine with 26" wheels, but it's painful with 29" wheels.

Unpopular rant - not a big fan of the 1x12 pie plate and giant ass rear derailleur modern drivetrain. A wider range (10/45) 11spd cassette that could use existing 11spd derailleurs and shifters seems more practical.

Has anyone tried the Garbaruk 11 spd cassettes? https://www.garbaruk.com/cassettes/11-speed.html

[NuMexJoe]

1x11 was way better than 1x12. Shifted better and was more durable. And the range was fine with 26" wheels, but it's painful with 29" wheels.

FWIW, my Garbaruk 11-spd 10t-48t has been flawless, and they make a 10-50.

[toast2266]

^^^ interesting. I've always been curious about those, but I've never tried one.

[Eluder]

FWIW, my Garbaruk 11-spd 10t-48t has been flawless, and they make a 10-50.

Are you running a Shimano derailleur with a goat link?

[beaterdit]

No. Heavy bikes are now much easier to pedal, cornering is easier, you need less suspension than before, brakes are better, suspension is amazing (but still finicky as fuck) and the 29er rolls better than my 27.5 - is all of that is linked to no front derailleur? Some of it has to be, but none of it solely, right?

The demise of the front derailleur is basically solely responsible for modern 29er geometry. Before that they sucked to ride. It's also enabled modern suspension kinematics and to a lesser extent steeper seat tube angles, the dropper post being a bigger player there. All that's to say nothing about chain retention and drivetrain problems.

That's a new one to me. I always go the other direction, greasing the threads on all mine.

Me too, I've had them seize in there before. One time that made me hike out seven miles from the Dread and Terror section of the North Umpqua river trail all for just a flat I couldn't get to seal. Broke two tools trying to get it out too. Huge bummer.

1x11 was way better than 1x12. Shifted better and was more durable. And the range was fine with 26" wheels, but it's painful with 29" wheels.

I rode it for a couple years on a 27.5 bike and it was fine. To this day the most durable drivetrain I've ever owned.

Has anyone tried the Garbaruk 11 spd cassettes? https://www.garbaruk.com/cassettes/11-speed.html

Nice stuff, I'm on one of their chainrings. Watch out for shipping if ordering direct. It was $30 from Poland! Look for a domestic reseller, or anyone else. Cool company too though. They're actually Ukrainian but relocated to Poland for obvious reasons.

[Terrapin Ben]

FWIW, my Garbaruk 11-spd 10t-48t has been flawless, and they make a 10-50.

Are you running a Shimano derailleur with a goat link?

More info here would be appreciated. I'm on a frankenstiened 11 spd Sramano drivetrain built with a XTR shifter, XT M8000 medium cage RD, Sram cassette/XD driver, and KMC chain. I really like the weight and performance of the whole setup, but I'd really like to try out the garbaruk stuff to save even more weight and improve my range. I would purchase the Sram 10/46 rear cassette, but am unclear as to whether I would need to purchase the garbaruk cage and pulley wheels. And I'm even more uncertain whether I could put Sram pulley wheels on a Shimano cage... I kind of want to just roll the dice to see if it works out.

Nice stuff, I'm on one of their chainrings. Watch out for shipping if ordering direct. It was $30 from Poland! Look for a domestic reseller, or anyone else. Cool company too though. They're actually Ukrainian but relocated to Poland for obvious reasons.

Good to know. They offer free shipping to the US on orders more than $300.

[joetron]

I can't quite figure out WTF happened? Did your axle shear and allow the tire to jam into the frame?

Dredging this back up…I didn’t see in any of the responses if the thru axle had grease on it, just the loctite on threads discussion.
If the axle didn’t have enough grease on it, there may have been some binding and it gave a falsely high torque wrench reading before the axle was fully snugged up and tensioned it the frame. The axle alignment through a frame/hub/frame might not be perfectly straight.



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[NuMexJoe]

Are you running a Shimano derailleur with a goat link?

GX 11-spd derailler. Nothing more. Horst link bike.

[Roxtar]

If the axle didn’t have enough grease on it, there may have been some binding and it gave a falsely high torque wrench reading before the axle was fully snugged up and tensioned

Generally, torque values are specified without lube.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Generally, torque values are specified without lube.

I think he was referring to grease on the shaft of the thru axle, not the threads?

That’s what my Norco specs.

[XXX-er]

The demise of the front derailleur is basically solely responsible for modern 29er geometry. Before that they sucked to ride. It's also enabled modern suspension kinematics and to a lesser extent steeper seat tube angles, the dropper post being a bigger player there. All that's to say nothing about chain retention and drivetrain problems. .

OTOH I found it interesting to note how many people couldn't get with modern, didn't wana lean all the way forward over the wagonwheel with the elbows out and let the bike do its thing

[jackstraw]

Dredging this back up…I didn’t see in any of the responses if the thru axle had grease on it, just the loctite on threads discussion.
If the axle didn’t have enough grease on it, there may have been some binding and it gave a falsely high torque wrench reading before the axle was fully snugged up and tensioned it the frame. The axle alignment through a frame/hub/frame might not be perfectly straight.



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I had greased the axle and it actually crossed my mind that maybe I had got some onto the threads inadvertently. There was no sign of grease on the threads when I got it removed. LBS did note that my torque wrench could be fucked, hence my question in the other thread. It is a Park tool torque about 8 yrs old.

All I know is if the shifting starts to go awry, check to see if the axle is loose....amongst other things...with AXS.

[XXX-er]

All I know is if the shifting starts to go awry, check to see if the axle is loose....amongst other things...with AXS.

by the time I noticed the shifting wasn't perfect on my Bullit the axle had backed out by 1/4 inch or so but otherwise still working more or less which is amazing really

back in the day I was doing a little wrenching at a shop and a guy brought in a bike that was clicking intermittently another shop had not fixed it, I spent time on it , another guy or 2 spent time on it parts were replaced ect

someone finaly figured out the rear QR was half loose so the wheel would intermittently shift in the dropouts and click but nobody ever took the back wheel off and discovered the half loose QR but noise can literaly be anything

[jackstraw]

Yeah. Creaks!!

Last one I could not figure out was the hanger. So freaking random when it creaked, but all the time. Shop kid figured that one out for me. Maddening...but it was a learning experience.

[beaterdit]

I had greased the axle and it actually crossed my mind that maybe I had got some onto the threads inadvertently. There was no sign of grease on the threads when I got it removed. LBS did note that my torque wrench could be fucked, hence my question in the other thread. It is a Park tool torque about 8 yrs old.

All I know is if the shifting starts to go awry, check to see if the axle is loose....amongst other things...with AXS.

Pretty sure you *want* grease on the threads so you can achieve proper torque without it binding up, at least that’s how I roll. Never had one back out.

But then I don’t know shit about shit and don’t use a torque wrench on axles anyway.

[Bunion 2020]

Just used this bleed method.



New to me but I really wish I had seen it a few years ago. Stupid easy.

[rideit]

It’s a good technique. However, one thing that I would NEVER do is compress the pistons back without brake pads in them. (XTR) especially. It’s really, really easy to mess that up and crack a piston cylinder.

[Bunion 2020]

Yeah, I omitted that as well. But he probably has cases of XTR calipers in the van.

[J. Barron DeJong]

It’s a good technique. However, one thing that I would NEVER do is compress the pistons back without brake pads in them. (XTR) especially. It’s really, really easy to mess that up and crack a piston cylinder.

Learned that one the expensive way.

That Syndicate method is what I’ve been doing for a few years now and I haven’t felt the need to change.

[snowaddict91]

My truck got keyed at the trailhead Friday. Anti-semitic slur with a poorly done swastika (I'm not Jewish fwiw). Only car out of 10+ at the lot that got hit and I was only there for an hour. I'm still pissed.

[skaredshtles]

My truck got keyed at the trailhead Friday. Anti-semitic slur with a poorly done swastika (I'm not Jewish fwiw).

[XXX-er]

Just used this bleed method.

New to me but I really wish I had seen it a few years ago. Stupid easy.

Yeah I have seen that one I duno if i like it ?

So when I got SRAMs I googled brake bleed cuz it is working with DOT5.1 and there were literaly doz of methods on youtube so i watched some to understand what they were all trying to do and settled on a vid by a guy with hair like Lye lovett and it worked, so i would say check out a bunch of methods out to figure out what is really going on which is ... get the bubbles out however you like