Trucks.

[zion zig zag]

What do you get for a $700 detail?! I haven't been in the detail market but that seems crazy high.

[heckacali]

If you have one close, get a price from CarMax.

We had an unexpectedly great experience selling my late FIL's inherited car there, they paid over KBB by quite a bit for a fairly new econobox a couple of years ago.
Granted, I know the market has cooled since then, but worth a visit to their website to get a quote.

Process itself was really painless, got an online quote, made and online appointment, had the car washed, went there and they inspected it and cut us a check for the full amount. Done. 1 hr.
Granted the car was in as new condition so there was nothing to debate, so that simplified matters.

[teleee]

What do you get for a $700 detail?! I haven't been in the detail market but that seems crazy high.

No kidding - I would think it would come with a blow job for that price


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[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Yeah it's a 7-8 hour hands on detail. I have to call around and see if anyone is cheaper. If not I'll just try to do it myself if we get enough dry pavement so I can get from the carwash to my house or warm enough out that I can run the pressure washer in the driveway.

[Dantheman]

They're not even going to do that. No dealer is keeping a 12 year old pickup with 215k on the lot. That's going to auction.

I meant the dealers don't care if it comes in detailed, and Whiteroom shouldn't do more than wash and vac at most.

[nickwm21]

IME - At that price they take the seats out…


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[AdironRider]

What do you get for a $700 detail?! I haven't been in the detail market but that seems crazy high.

I detailed cars as a teenager and I charged 2-300 for a car and 3-400 for a truck depending on the severity and this was over 20 years ago.

[XXX-er]

I meant the dealers don't care if it comes in detailed, and Whiteroom shouldn't do more than wash and vac at most.

this ^^

[Name Redacted]

I detailed cars as a teenager and I charged 2-300 for a car and 3-400 for a truck depending on the severity and this was over 20 years ago.

That's about the going rate right now for that level of detail. I work with a few detailers. If you want the good detail of a fancy new car that is pretty dirty, $700 is about right on.

And yeah, I wouldn't clean anything up on a trade in. I also wouldn't trade in unless your time is worth more than what you would get on the private market. I traded in a POS ford to a ford dealership and had the codes wiped right before I drove it there. I didn't want to sell it private because it had issues.

[Touring_Sedan]

I meant the dealers don't care if it comes in detailed, and Whiteroom shouldn't do more than wash and vac at most.

No shit. I wasn't disagreeing. I was saying the same thing. They're gonna scan it for DTC codes, make sure the interior is intact and put it on a semi within a week. They're not even looking in the glove box. You'd be hard pressed to get your $700 back even if you sold it private party.

[Dromond]

If you have one close, get a price from CarMax.

We had an unexpectedly great experience selling my late FIL's inherited car there, they paid over KBB by quite a bit for a fairly new econobox a couple of years ago.
Granted, I know the market has cooled since then, but worth a visit to their website to get a quote.

Process itself was really painless, got an online quote, made and online appointment, had the car washed, went there and they inspected it and cut us a check for the full amount. Done. 1 hr.
Granted the car was in as new condition so there was nothing to debate, so that simplified matters.

I sold a car through AutoNation, a CarMax competitor last summer, and it was a good experience. I got the CarMax price, then prices from competitors, then haggled with one of them which gave me a slightly better price that CarMax. When I factored in the time, cost and hassle to clean and detail the car, I realized that the extra $1,000 - $1,500 I might get selling it private party was not worth it at all. I delivered the car to a dealership that was buying cars, it was very dirty, and got paid within two hours. It was great. 100% recommend.

[anotherVTskibum]

No shit. I wasn't disagreeing. I was saying the same thing. They're gonna scan it for DTC codes, make sure the interior is intact and put it on a semi within a week. They're not even looking in the glove box. You'd be hard pressed to get your $700 back even if you sold it private party.

For that reason, I think it's worth doing a fairly thorough interior clean--you may or may not find something you forgot was in the car that you'd rather have in your possession than not.

[Name Redacted]

Last summer, dealerships were buying for ridiculous prices just trying to boost inventory so they didn't have empty lots. It was weird, but worked out well for some of us who wanted to sell.

[El Chupacabra]

Last summer, dealerships were buying for ridiculous prices just trying to boost inventory so they didn't have empty lots. It was weird, but worked out well for some of us who wanted to sell.

This was my experience too. But I don't think you can expect crazy offers today when selling or trading.

In Oct 2022, I traded in a F350 that I had owned for a year, had it about 10K miles, I had paid about $53K with taxes for it. Traded for $57K on a new car - paid full MSRP, but got a 100% sales tax offset, and a check back from the dealer for the excess (new car was a good bit less). So that worked out nicely.

[Name Redacted]

This was my experience too. But I don't think you can expect crazy offers today when selling or trading.

In Oct 2022, I traded in a F350 that I had owned for a year, had it about 10K miles, I had paid about $53K with taxes for it. Traded for $57K on a new car - paid full MSRP, but got a 100% sales tax offset, and a check back from the dealer for the excess (new car was a good bit less). So that worked out nicely.

Yeah, nice, my payment on my Taco was at 1.9% so that basically made me money vs inflation and the market.

I've got a work van that I'm considering trading in for a truck this year. Kind of expecting to get screwed on that one but it was already depreciated so recapture won't be that bad if I show a loss? I tell myself this anyway, I'm a shitty accountant.

[The Reverend Floater]

Tundras and super duties are still seeing pretty high demand and holding above average resale. I know that only because my buddy just sold a tundra and another friend of mine is a GM at a Ford dealership. Ford didn't build enough SDs last year to meet demand (over estimated EV and Hybrid demand) so they're still hot cakes. And Tundras are to going to Tundra.

I don't know if that's true with other trucks or not.

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[Cono Este]

This popped up. Our old Farrellones rig, Nissan Patrol. 4 speed with a donkey gear for the 42 switchbacks. Cabin completely buried, and yes, Killy stretch pants.

[frorider]

Toyota is issuing a recall of about 381,000 Tacoma pickup trucks from the 2022 and 2023 model years to fix a potential issue with the rear axle. The automaker said in a statement that leftover welding debris on the rear axle "could cause certain retaining nuts to loosen over time and eventually fall off," which could hamper the truck's stability and braking performance and increase the likelihood of a crash.

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[Whiteroom_Guardian]

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There is this too.

https://tfltruck.com/2024/02/toyota-...recall-update/

Seems like an easy software fix though.


I'm still on the fence between 22+ Tundra or 20+ Silverado/Sierra 2500. I need to get a tractor this spring to mow and work on the new property. We will need a bigger camper. Everything is pointing to a 2500.....but I really want a diesel.

- Hearing horror stories about the new cummins always being in the shop (my brother's 2018 3500 and his 2024 3500 have both had MANY issues.....diesels). My dad has had several chevy gassers and they all have run 250k-300k miles with basically no problems.

- The gassers get 9mpg towing? I don't plan to tow very much, but will a handful of times per year. I assume that also means with any decent camper in the bed it would get 9mpg. Thats rough.

- The newer Tundras seem to have way nicer interiors than the newest Chevys unless you go full retired oil tycoon and get a 120k Denali Ultimate package.

[Hopeless Sinner]

To camp, presumably in a truck camper, one needs payload and that indicates a 3/4 or 1 T. The best deal right now on a SD or HD is a Chevy Custom gasser. It doesn't have the new interior or the fancy screen, just plain old gauges. Can be upgraded to 1T running gear and payload w the trailering package.

The mpg difference btwn gas and diesel is small. Diesel costs more than gas and you have to add def to the cost per mile which now favors the gasser on a cost per mile basis. Oil changes are more expensive on diesels. I would never buy a RAM, but would consider Ford for certain use cases like a really heavy TC or frequent heavy towing. I just bought a Chevy 3500 to use w a TC after much research so I'm up on the current offerings.

Get a diesel tractor for the estate, where the diesel torque really counts for something every time it's used.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

I have run diesel Kubota tractors and really like them and am leaning that way.

This seems like a good value and is just down the road from my house.

https://www.snydermotors.com/used/GM...20c89a7b2b.htm

[Hopeless Sinner]

I owned a Kubota 22hp diesel, 4x4 and it was awesome for blowing snow and yard work w the loader.

When you go look at the GMC check the door sticker for the payload. The crew cab, 8' bed is what you need/want to haul a truck camper.

[frorider]

Hopeless Sinner—actually the mpg difference with diesel is significant. IME for same vehicle and payload the diesel gets 30% better mpg in mixed driving. DEF over the last 7 yrs has cost me less than 0.2 cents a mile, ie it’s irrelevant. I’m assuming anyone with a triple digit IQ buys DEF from a pump not a bottle at auto zone.

For my mostly CA/NV/OR driving, diesel was generally cheaper over the last 7 yrs particularly in summer. Sometimes a full dollar cheaper, more typically 50 cents. Ukraine war changed that but the cost last 2 yrs has been similar to RUG.

I recognize that there are regions where diesel is often more expensive that gas, I’m just pointing out that sweeping generalizations need to be taken with a grain of salt.

For a while I kept a spreadsheet on this stuff, back when I was driving more. Pencilled out to approx $10,000 savings cumulatively for me for my rig. The DEF/ DPF / EGR system on my Ford has another 76k miles under warranty, about 8 yrs from now, but if hypothetically I’m throwing 5 grand in repairs at a 17 yr old rig down the road I’m still coming out way ahead.

YMMV.

[El Chupacabra]

I personally would not buy any modern diesel unless I absolutely needed the towing capability - and needed to use it very often, if not daily. It's not just operating costs or even up front purchase cost that scares me away - - it's the complexity and frequency of very expensive part failures.

If you just "want" a diesel, you don't need a diesel.

On truck camper usage: note that diesel engines weigh a lot more than the gas option in a pickup, and that eats into payload. It's possible to get a Ram Cummins 2500 4WD truck that has lower payload than my Honda Ridgeline.

On crew cab long beds: consider turn radius if you're looking at these. I didn't pay attention to that, and bought a 4WD F350 crew cab with an 8' bed for carrying a truck camper. It was horrible to park or even maneuver when camping. I assume some of that was due to the wheelbase, some to the solid front axle (so pay attention if considering Ram), and it may be better on the GM trucks with IFS.

[The Reverend Floater]

There is this too.

https://tfltruck.com/2024/02/toyota-...recall-update/

Seems like an easy software fix though.


I'm still on the fence between 22+ Tundra or 20+ Silverado/Sierra 2500. I need to get a tractor this spring to mow and work on the new property. We will need a bigger camper. Everything is pointing to a 2500.....but I really want a diesel.

- Hearing horror stories about the new cummins always being in the shop (my brother's 2018 3500 and his 2024 3500 have both had MANY issues.....diesels). My dad has had several chevy gassers and they all have run 250k-300k miles with basically no problems.

- The gassers get 9mpg towing? I don't plan to tow very much, but will a handful of times per year. I assume that also means with any decent camper in the bed it would get 9mpg. Thats rough.

- The newer Tundras seem to have way nicer interiors than the newest Chevys unless you go full retired oil tycoon and get a 120k Denali Ultimate package.

Buddy just got a Ford 250 Godzilla and it's really nice. If I was going the 3/4 gasser, that's what I'd do.

That said, for the reasons listed above, I think diesels pay themselves off and then some via retail.

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