Heritage Lab Swallowtails (R, FR, & BC)

[pfluffenmeister]

Idiot question here, but I don't want to fuck up.

Preparing to mount my R120STs.
Checking Marshal's chart indicates recommended is 84.75cm from the tail.

That's from where the tail would be right?
Not from the swallowtail cutout.

[Marshal Olson]

Yes, from the very end, not the cutout.
I'd also say to just mount -0.5 or so from your R110's if you are digging those where they are.

Idiot question here, but I don't want to fuck up.

Preparing to mount my R120STs.
Checking Marshal's chart indicates recommended is 84.75cm from the tail.

That's from where the tail would be right?
Not from the swallowtail cutout.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Can attest. 110 is at -8 and 120 is at 8.5. Feel perfect there.

[Upinsmoke]

I’m 84cm from tail on my r120 and it’s perfect for me. Floats plenty and still feels agile.

[L8APX]

Man oh man these look so sweet. Someone convince me why I should get a pair of the 193 FRs when I already have 190 Catamarans

I think you already know the answer.

[lrn2swim]

I think you already know the answer.

The old +1, yeah I know

[L8APX]

The old +1, yeah I know

In my case it was the old sell my vanilla skiing K2’s (no disrespect K2) and buy some kick ass skis that rip from MO.

[lrn2swim]

In my case it was the old sell my vanilla skiing K2’s (no disrespect K2) and buy some kick ass skis that rip from MO.

Hate to break it to ya but the big boy Catamarans are anything but vanilla. Absurdly fun

[pfluffenmeister]

Just got done mounting up my R120STs with P15 Harlaut's 1.0s. (@84.2 from tail).

Look pretty hot.




But I haven't been able to post pics for ages.
Do I need Tapatalk?

[waveshello]

Just got done mounting up my R120STs with P15 Harlaut's 1.0s. (@84.2 from tail).

Look pretty hot.




But I haven't been able to post pics for ages.
Do I need Tapatalk?

That or basic internet-ing skills, but I'd go Tapatalk... that's what I did. :FM: Please do figure it out cause I want to see that combo.

P.S.
Just remembered I was going to send you some shims for your ZRs. I'll get those in the mail this week. Mine work great!

[pfluffenmeister]

That or basic internet-ing skills, but I'd go Tapatalk... that's what I did. :FM: Please do figure it out cause I want to see that combo.

P.S.
Just remembered I was going to send you some shims for your ZRs. I'll get those in the mail this week. Mine work great!

Sweet!

[mntlion]

marsh: message sent

[asmvolatile]

After much lurking, finally in on the party. BC120ST's on preorder (and some R110s too, just for science)

[soul_skier]

I love it… but SS … don’t sell the FL113, haha. No better bluebird palisade/alpine ski!

I had the fl113s out yesterday for the bluebird and started today on the FR120s to better handle the sierra cement. They both have their place and excel in the conditions they're intended for.

[Upinsmoke]

Sick!
I concur. I have fl113 inbound. Chop stands no chance

[pfluffenmeister]

1/2 day on my 187R120Sts in a foot or so of Beaver Mountain goodness.

They are simply sublime.

Charge or play; dealer's choice.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

1/2 day on my 187R120Sts in a foot or so of Beaver Mountain goodness.

They are simply sublime.

Charge or play; dealer's choice.

Insanely easy to ski for how fast you can go!!

[Lord Thomas]

All I can say is fuck you guys and your fancy "knee deep powder snow", and your hoity-toity "sierra cement"...us poor, dumb, white trash losers have been rolling on an ignorant 9" base; no "Beaver Mountain goodness" for us. Your vids and pics are fucking killing me.

[pfluffenmeister]

Insanely easy to ski for how fast you can go!!

Yeah, you can throw the switch (either way) pretty much at any time.

Big giant GS machpowderturns all the way down to full sideways jesuschristposeslarves to nip into the next tight powder pocket!

Much happiness.

[Upinsmoke]

All I can say is fuck you guys and your fancy "knee deep powder snow", and your hoity-toity "sierra cement"...us poor, dumb, white trash losers have been rolling on an ignorant 9" base; no "Beaver Mountain goodness" for us. Your vids and pics are fucking killing me.

this sounds like a personal problem. Vibes

[GoSlowGoFar]

So I have had the BC version out about 10-15 days now and feel I have a good grasp of them. I'm mounted at -7 of center on the 187s. First handful of days these were on pretty low angle terrain, mainly hippy pow turns in boot top plus pow and some crusts on south aspects. They planed up and floated well on the low angle pow in the trees and didn't get caught up in the crust as long as I kept them pointed downhill. Easy to shut down and pivot if you take the wrong line and things get tight. Probably 80-90% as good in terms of float as the 132s, not quite as intuitive on breakable crust, but still handled it better than my skinnier touring skis for sure.

I've really found where these things shine though are when the terrain lets you open things up a bit. It doesn't need to be steep but 30-35 degree slopes with little convexities, bowls, etc. are really where these start to come into their own for me. They love all sorts of turn shapes and I can carve big arcs or milk poppy, tight radius turns, pop off little features, etc. You can mostly steer from the ankles and let them do their thing without feeling you need to drive them, so for a neutral skier like me they're perfect.

[eSock]

I was describing what I imagine the perfect inbounds powder ski for me would be to my partner the other day...
190ish length
118 underfoot
Long rocker
24ish turn radius
2300-2400g

This morning I realized it basically exists under the heritage lab label [emoji2956]

Looks like I missed the boat on a deal or getting on some sooner than later

[chewski]

I was describing what I imagine the perfect inbounds powder ski for me would be to my partner the other day...
190ish length
118 underfoot
Long rocker
24ish turn radius
2300-2400g

This morning I realized it basically exists under the heritage lab label [emoji2956]

Looks like I missed the boat on a deal or getting on some sooner than later

Just spent a full day on 187 fr120st's in mammoth before the storm closed the mountain for the next two days. This is the perfect inbounds powder ski. I posted in the fr110 thread about switching from that ski to the 120. It is so much better in "too little" pow than the fr110 is in "too much" pow. It trades off very little and is fun as hell. Maneuverable but stable. Makes inaccessible stashes accessible by carrying speed better than narrower skis but it doesn't hella suck in scraped off/windblown hard snow or bumps like wider skis. Get em

[pfluffenmeister]

Just spent a full day on 187 fr120st's in mammoth before the storm closed the mountain for the next two days. This is the perfect inbounds powder ski. I posted in the fr110 thread about switching from that ski to the 120. It is so much better in "too little" pow than the fr110 is in "too much" pow. It trades off very little and is fun as hell. Maneuverable but stable. Makes inaccessible stashes accessible by carrying speed better than narrower skis but it doesn't hella suck in scraped off/windblown hard snow or bumps like wider skis. Get em

I've got 3.5 days on mine and they are stunningly good.
As chewski said the perfect inbounds powder ski.
Dial goes from:

Full Charge <-----> Full Play

At will.
My first time at Alta today and they fucking killed it!

I did do a head to head 187 R120ST vs 189 Kusala and found the Kusala to be a better pure pow weapon.

I've been telling people who ask to just go on the HL site, browse the skis and if something appeals shapewise to just buy it blind.

[fool]

Just spent a full day on 187 fr120st's in mammoth before the storm closed the mountain for the next two days. This is the perfect inbounds powder ski. I posted in the fr110 thread about switching from that ski to the 120. It is so much better in "too little" pow than the fr110 is in "too much" pow. It trades off very little and is fun as hell. Maneuverable but stable. Makes inaccessible stashes accessible by carrying speed better than narrower skis but it doesn't hella suck in scraped off/windblown hard snow or bumps like wider skis. Get em

Great writeup. Also love the dial gauge that pfluffenmeister mentioned. Might need to pull the trigger on these soon.