ON3P SKIS Discussion

[PeachesNCream]

Was thinking of going deathwish104 for that slot. Little wider than what I was imagining but the triple camber makes them feel narrower


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[auvgeek]

You could go Frankenski if you want narrower than DW 104. Bamboo core, triple camber, 98 underfoot. I’d be stoked to try them for sure.

[PeachesNCream]

Seems interesting but I don’t get very excited about a center mount ski


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[SchralphMacchio]

How hard is your snow? I had woods 102s for that slot but they didn’t have the edge hold I was looking for so I flipped them for bonafides that I am very happy with. That said If you want something more playful I don’t have your answer.

Similar to yours, low elevation wet PNW snow that can turn to junk in a heartbeat. Windscalped boilerplate off the Hoodoo summit and refreezing wet junk snow for night skiing seems to make the worst of the stuff at the Doo.

I have 11 year old Nordica Enforcers (the original flat tail 98 underfoot variety) for that stuff, but I don’t maintain their edges to have as much bite as I would prefer, and they are a fairly old school shape. So more bite and more modern is a goal for me. Similar dampness / quickness to settle on garbage would be awesome. The current Bones may be a good fit, at least up until I have fully neglected the edges and they don’t have much bite on boilerplate. I’m Kendo 88 curious as the current variety has a lot of love. I’m also Praxis MVP94 curious. And mostly wondering what the other ON3P phans are skiing for their skinny size!

[mn_teleswede]

And mostly wondering what the other ON3P phans are skiing for their skinny size!

I have a pair of Wren 98’s that I use as my “skinny” ski in a 2-3 ski quiver. However, their shape/ amount of tip rocker means that you need to ski centered on them vs driving the tips. Anything resembling soft groomers they will bite, but not very inspiring on boilerplate, scraped off areas, etc. Based in MN, they work, but wouldn’t be my first choice. They ski more like a 104mm ski than a 95mm ski. Love them in anything fresh or soft-especially leftovers. Ski tele fwiw



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[TeleBeaver]

Had wren 96's in the skinny slot for 5 seasons. They are a super fun ski but lack edge grip on any kind of firm snow. Newer metal versions might be different. Switched to commander 98s and my edge hold worries are gone. The commanders are significantly less playful, but surprisingly not much worse in deep snow. I'm happy for now, but considering a woods 102 for a more playful spring/fool around ski. Only have a few days on the commanders last spring so gonna see how I get on with them this year before expanding the quiver yet again.

[waxoff]

And mostly wondering what the other ON3P phans are skiing for their skinny size!

Wren 102 Ti

Disclaimer; have not had on snow yet, but confident they will behave!

[TAFKALVS]

So what's the story with the Billygoat guys?

[Velomayniac]

It’s over. It’s all over.

[Joey311]

Curious what you west coast Jeff/Woods 108/110 daily driver skiers are using as your garbage-to-heinous snow skis, let’s say at least 50% off piste but still fun on groom? Like 88-96 underfoot.

Woods 108 is my daily driver. Had the Rossi experience 88 is this spot for many yrs. Last year replaced it with the Rustler 9 for a little more off piste bias, and am very happy with it. Also wasn't looking for a serious charger since I'm often on this ski when out with the kids.

[SchralphMacchio]

Woods 108 is my daily driver. Had the Rossi experience 88 is this spot for many yrs. Last year replaced it with the Rustler 9 for a little more off piste bias, and am very happy with it. Also wasn't looking for a serious charger since I'm often on this ski when out with the kids.

Thanks, exactly my situation, I have a 2 and 5 year old and do some skiing with them too (though my waxless 84 underfoot tele skis have been great for that as well). I was worried R9 may not have enough bite on boilerplate. But I love my R11 for storm skiing (way more relaxed than WD108). So maybe R9 is the call and deal with a little sliding out on boilerplate here and there. Does the R9 settle almost as quickly as a ski with more beef? The R11 is very unsettled in shit snow. I had been kind of thinking for a while “I wonder how much demand there is for a Rustler 8?”

I also have both a Gen1 WD108 and WD110 on tap for this season, will see if I switch to the WD110 full time for daily driving needs.

[oetk2]

Curious what you west coast Jeff/Woods 108/110 daily driver skiers are using as your garbage-to-heinous snow skis, let’s say at least 50% off piste but still fun on groom? Like 88-96 underfoot.

M free 99s for me. They carve pretty well for their versatility. Vancouver/Whistler snow never gets that hard though. Also is fun enough to ski with the kiddo

[SchralphMacchio]

M free 99s for me. They carve pretty well for their versatility. Vancouver/Whistler snow never gets that hard though. Also is fun enough to ski with the kiddo

Think Cypress/Grouse/Creekside in bad refreeze. With night skiing.
I thought about the M Free 90 but realized it is a junior’s ski … I weigh 140 lbs / 64 kg, I wonder if the 177 would work for me [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[lrn2swim]

Wren 102 Ti

Disclaimer; have not had on snow yet, but confident they will behave!

Same here, except I have been on them a bunch. Keep em sharp and they rip so hard. Sooooooo damp. I've tried scraping them sideways down the worst hard lumpy shit fucked PNW snow I could find and felt almost nothing. Probably not the best for smooth boilerplate but if it's like that I'm going in for drinks.

Probably the best one ski quiver I can think of as they float great too and can still be managed well in tight spots .

[oetk2]

Think Cypress/Grouse/Creekside in bad refreeze. With night skiing.
I thought about the M Free 90 but realized it is a junior’s ski … I weigh 140 lbs / 64 kg, I wonder if the 177 would work for me [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Good point. If it's that hard a dedicated carver might be your only choice. Or just get Jeffs and drift them sideways and hold on

[SchralphMacchio]

Good point. If it's that hard a dedicated carver might be your only choice. Or just get Jeffs and drift them sideways and hold on

I assume Cypress and Grouse also usually aren’t bulletproof, just during cold dry periods after warm shit storm cycles. The night skiing is my extra variable here, as a dad with young kids that’s often the only time that I get solo hot laps. And my goal is not necessarily to optimize for the boilerplate at night condition, just to be able to manage it predictably as a worst case and then have dad fun on everything from there up to the 1/2” or so of indentation depth where the Woods 108/110 skis start to come alive.

So far my short list is Kendo 88, Stance 90; my curious but not sure if it fits the bill list is Rustler 9, MVP94.

[oetk2]

Something with metal will be your friend. The Wren 102 ti moved above sounds intriguing too

[SchralphMacchio]

I know, it just seems not disparate enough from the Woods 110 I’m hoping will be my DD this season. Right now it’s pretty dang clear when to grab the Enforcer 98 vs Woods 110. If I go Wren 102 it would probably become less clear. If I go Kendo 88 or Stance 90 it would stay crystal clear.

[rainy512day]

Woods 108 is my daily driver. Had the Rossi experience 88 is this spot for many yrs. Last year replaced it with the Rustler 9 for a little more off piste bias, and am very happy with it. Also wasn't looking for a serious charger since I'm often on this ski when out with the kids.

Yeah, if your going for stability and speed look at the Kendo/Mantra or Enforcer 88/94. If you don’t need that the new Rustler 9 is definitely something to consider.

[SchralphMacchio]

Yeah, if your going for stability and speed look at the Kendo/Mantra or Enforcer 88/94. If you don’t need that the new Rustler 9 is definitely something to consider.

Thanks I’ll give the R9 a serious look. I’m not looking for total crushing stability, just being able to get down boilerplate predictably and then have dad fun dicking around off piste when it’s too firm for Woods 110s.

I liked almost every aspect of the E94 - how balanced it was, good balance of quick to settle on bunk snow but also energetic when you load the tails, rocker camber profile - except its propensity to make exactly one turn shape, and make it for you. Could have been an aggressive demo tune from the rep, no idea, but I immediately noted that I wanted to be the captain of that ship, not have the thing on autopilot for me. I don’t think the Rustlers have that issue.

[rainy512day]

Thanks I’ll give the R9 a serious look. I’m not looking for total crushing stability, just being able to get down boilerplate predictably and then have dad fun dicking around off piste when it’s too firm for Woods 110s.

I liked almost every aspect of the E94 - how balanced it was, good balance of quick to settle on bunk snow but also energetic when you load the tails, rocker camber profile - except its propensity to make exactly one turn shape, and make it for you. Could have been an aggressive demo tune from the rep, no idea, but I immediately noted that I wanted to be the captain of that ship, not have the thing on autopilot for me. I don’t think the Rustlers have that issue.

I demo’d the E94 and R9 late last year on a hard pack day on Mt Hood. The E94 and R9 have really different feel, especially once the corduroy got got up. The E94 was just solid edging on what seem like the entire length of the ski. The R9 was a step below that, edge was fine but did not have the solid feel of the E94. The R9 was much easier to drive and bend the forward part of the ski into different turn shapes (if that makes sense).

[skuff]

I just run my Jeff 108’s and say f**k it. But I’m on Mt Hood, so garbage snow is relative… it’s not Midwest ice after all.

I'm on some Jeffrey 108 and have the same thought "f**k it", but I am in the midwest

It's not ideal, but still fun

[Velomayniac]

I'm on some Jeffrey 108 and have the same thought "f**k it", but I am in the midwest

It's not ideal, but still fun

I like your attitude

[skuff]

I like your attitude

Bloom where you're planted

Mobbing around with some friends on a tiny ice-bump for a couple of hours can be fun. Jeffreys add to the good times

[waxoff]

I know, it just seems not disparate enough from the Woods 110 I’m hoping will be my DD this season. Right now it’s pretty dang clear when to grab the Enforcer 98 vs Woods 110. If I go Wren 102 it would probably become less clear. If I go Kendo 88 or Stance 90 it would stay crystal clear.

Then have a look at the M-Pro 90 from Dynastar as well. Narrow and bitey with a freeride touch...