ON3P SKIS Discussion

[caulfield]

Have BG 118's in 191cm. I think I mounted slightly too far back. Where do folks recommend to mount? Also, got Look Pivots on there, how far away do new holes have to be? Thanks

on the line. the one on the sidewall

1cm is usually the heuristic. Many people, including me, have gone closer. But if you're within 1cm of the line, I say just run it

[AmmergauerTele]

Thanks Caufield, appreciate.

[kid-kapow]

BlackDiamond made a limited experiment on it a few years back and found that >6mm is pretty similar to standard. ON3Ps in general and BGs in particular are very sturdy underfoot so I have gone closer without any issues - but then again I weigh 70kg and am pretty far from the strongest skier out there (as in power, not technique - though the latter is pretty shit as well ).

RES skis are best on the line. Some deviate from it for pure soft snow preferences, but unless you have a very good reason to do so I would advice against it on RES skis in particular.

[grinch]

I've been +.5 to -.5 depending on what boot i use on my steeples and im +.5 on my bg 116 and on the dot bgt110. You can notice the .5 but its subtle. I may prefer +.5 . All 3 locations arent concerning with -.5 probably being my least fave but still not concerning

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[beeeom]

So I noticed a small edge crack in my beloved 2014 BG 186’s... No displacement or delam yet so I expect a bit more life out of them, and luckily I have some back up bearclaws squirreled away.

But in light of the inevitable succession planning, does anyone have any beta on the 2024 186 BG? My 189 asyms pale in comparison to my 2014's, so hopefully the latest version swings back towards the OG BG roots?

[Shredeagle]

I have the first year Woodsmans. 2020 I think. It was getting a bit icy so I got them tuned and sharpened. I’d forgotten that I can’t ski these things when they are sharp. I even detuned the tips and tails and it was still awful. There was a spot about 10 inches in front of my toes that would randomly hook up and grab. They were scary AF. I ended up detuning them all the way to my heel. They ski great like this (ie not sharp). Super fun and easy to switch between pivot/slarves and bigger radius turns (as long as I stay off the man made ice).

What’s going on with the tune on these skis? I’ve never had a ski that skied this poorly with a fresh tune up.


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[tuco]

I'd suspect the tune itself before the ski. Most likely the base edge bevel

[Shredeagle]

Ok. Thank you. I remembered they skied like this when they were brand new as well which is why I was wondering. I’ll try a 1 degree base bevel and see how that goes.


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[Velomayniac]

Recurring tunegate?

[tuco]

On a retune?

[Velomayniac]

He says they skied like this when new and now again after retune

Weird

[Sessiøn]

On a retune?

Well, it's TGR.

[Bandit Man]

For all the griping I did about the tune for my Woods 108’s, they skied really well after the bevel issue was corrected.

[Orthoski]

I have the first year Woodsmans. 2020 I think. It was getting a bit icy so I got them tuned and sharpened. I’d forgotten that I can’t ski these things when they are sharp. I even detuned the tips and tails and it was still awful. There was a spot about 10 inches in front of my toes that would randomly hook up and grab. They were scary AF. I ended up detuning them all the way to my heel. They ski great like this (ie not sharp). Super fun and easy to switch between pivot/slarves and bigger radius turns (as long as I stay off the man made ice).

What’s going on with the tune on these skis? I’ve never had a ski that skied this poorly with a fresh tune up.


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Get a formal base grind and it will likely fix the issue - the only ON3P ski I've ever been on that I couldn't ski intuitively from the get go, same scary as @#$# experience, esp on runouts, completely resolved with a formal base grind tune. To Scott's credit, he offered to have me mail them to have this done at the factory but spared everyone the hassle and did it at the local ski shop.

[tuco]

I'd just do the 1°bevel n polish

[Ed el Loco]

Had the hooky problem with my J110. Had the edge retuned at Evo last spring. Took them up yesterday just planning on doing a run to see if they were good. Very firm snow, was using some hard pack front side skis. Got board, switched to the Jeffery’s. Any thing that was not blue ice was fun. Blue ice was ok. Ended up taking 5 more runs. Such a great ski. Now I’m considering a skinnier Jeffery or Woodsman for low tide days.

[jakezee]

Hoping to find some WD110'S - and I have a feeling that 192 is noticeably harder to manage than the 187... any takes on this? I'm on the 191 K108 and they're really manageable for me.
Also I'm sure the new WD108's are the best yet - I just don't want to shell out for them.

[jakezee]

Hoping to find some WD110'S - and I have a feeling that 192 is noticeably harder to manage than the 187... any takes on this? I'm on the 191 K108 and they're really manageable for me.
Also I'm sure the new WD108's are the best yet - I just don't want to shell out for them.

I shouldn't say harder to manage - I meant that I have a feeling that they're quite different characters.

[Velomayniac]

They would be even better with a tad more taper after the contact points. Titanal underfoot like blackops118 wouldn't be amiss either, though - they edge more than well enough as is too.

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So - all in all - they probably deserved to sell way more of them than they did. It is a very good ski imho.

How you describe possible improvements, are in my Armada Declivity X. However every time I ski the DX, I wish it had more of an On3p Wren feel. In the core but also less taper. Wondering if I’d like the Woods 116 to close the gap

I find myself looking at Volkl Revolt 114s, and thinking they have too much taper and I still want that bamboo feel

[robnow]

I find myself looking at Volkl Revolt 114s, and thinking they have too much taper and I still want that bamboo feel

I own the current BG118 192 and have skied the Revolt 114 a number of days last season. I really wanted to like the Revolt and is quite a direct comparison shape wise to the BG, however I found the Revolt to feel very stiff and dead (punishing even one day in the tail in firm mogul/low vis situation) vs the much more lively yet damp feel of ON3P.

I replaced my Woods110 191 with MFree108s this season and while I'm enjoying the feel of the Dynastars 95% of the time, I do find the tips folding over in landings sometimes and missing the more solid platform of ON3P. I might sell the MFree still to pick up the new 108.

[kid-kapow]

How you describe possible improvements, are in my Armada Declivity X. However every time I ski the DX, I wish it had more of an On3p Wren feel. In the core but also less taper. Wondering if I’d like the Woods 116 to close the gap.

I am pretty sure that they will.

The Declicity X is a bit more directional ski imho (a more lively wren type ski?) with a mount point and flex patteren to support its inteded use of charging big lines at mach schell, while being light enough to be nimble / a 50/50 contender. Especially with the combo of a light and stiff caruba core and titanal.

The not feather weight and stout/damp bamboo construction of the WD116s should feel pretty different imho, and their mount point is a lot closer to center..

I find myself looking at Volkl Revolt 114s, and thinking they have too much taper and I still want that bamboo feel

it sounds like WD116s were made for you - no joke.

I own the current BG118 192 and have skied the Revolt 114 a number of days last season. I really wanted to like the Revolt and is quite a direct comparison shape wise to the BG, however I found the Revolt to feel very stiff and dead (punishing even one day in the tail in firm mogul/low vis situation) vs the much more lively yet damp feel of ON3P.

Thanks for the comparison - to me it seems like the tail taper on R114 is a bit excessive and that the shovels - pr usual for Volkl - are on the wide side. The just looked a bit imbalanced to me on the line with my tiny feet - so sold them before trying them. Perhaps going +1 pr +2 would help.

[kid-kapow]

Skiing on ON3Ps that is a bit more relatable than the usual swerve fest.

[Velomayniac]

I am pretty sure that they will.

The Declicity X is a bit more directional ski imho (a more lively wren type ski?) with a mount point and flex patteren to support its inteded use of charging big lines at mach schell, while being light enough to be nimble / a 50/50 contender. Especially with the combo of a light and stiff caruba core and titanal.

The not feather weight and stout/damp bamboo construction of the WD116s should feel pretty different imho, and their mount point is a lot closer to center..



it sounds like WD116s were made for you - no joke.



Thanks for the comparison - to me it seems like the tail taper on R114 is a bit excessive and that the shovels - pr usual for Volkl - are on the wide side. The just looked a bit imbalanced to me on the line with my tiny feet - so sold them before trying them. Perhaps going +1 pr +2 would help.

What about WD110 vs WD116? How much more versatile is the 110 for all mtn skiing? Asking cuz I’ve heard 110 is more of a pow ski, but heard 116 feels versatile.

Which one do you think is more stable? Which more loose?

[paschta]

What about WD110 vs WD116? How much more versatile is the 110 for all mtn skiing? Asking cuz I’ve heard 110 is more of a pow ski, but heard 116 feels versatile.

Which one do you think is more stable? Which more loose?

Skied my pair of woods 110 187s as dailies last season. They definitely feel like a pretty versatile ski, not the surfiest in deep pow, not a crazy carver, but performed well enough at the extremes and pretty well for all the days in between. Been trying some woods 102s this early season and have some Jeff 118s to try on the real deep days. Can report back how I feel about the lot as I get some more days in.

[phatboy64]

Not sure if this is old news or not but I got a new pair of WD110 back in Oct and when I was checking the tune (I had the tune issue on my WD102) I noticed that the base bevel l was 1.5 deg. I called the guys at ON3P and they said all their skis are shipped now with that base bevel vs the. 1 deg they used to ship with.