50 years to the day

[MagnificentUnicorn]

With all due respect, how are African, Syrian and South American asylum seekers in the US by the millions? How are African and Syrian refugees all over Europe?

Don't tell me that people can boat across the Med or the Atlantic, walk through the Darian Gap and get transit to the US border but somehow getting transit through Arab states is inconceivable...

The answer is 100% the Arab states and Hamas will not allow the immigration to occur and no state is willing to accept Pali refugees.

It is not Israel that keeps them from leaving, except into Israel.

The point is that they, Palestinians, can’t leave.

Millions of asylum seekers in the US? Over what time frame? I’m not sure that it really pencils out to millions given recent quotas


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[summit]

The point is that they, Palestinians, can’t leave.

We agree on that. My point is that it is the fault of Hamas and the Arab nations that they cannot leave.

Millions of asylum seekers in the US? Over what time frame? I’m not sure that it really pencils out to millions given recent quotas

Just the last few years: https://trac.syr.edu/reports/705/

[MagnificentUnicorn]

We agree on that. My point is that it is the fault of Hamas and the Arab nations that they cannot leave.



Just the last few years: https://trac.syr.edu/reports/705/

So, like a million+. Let’s not resort to hyperbole.


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[Cono Este]

Glad Cono isn’t in charge.

Me too

Ok boys and girls, it’s story time with cono.

“The cigarette”

The cigarette is a story my grandad told me about the Battle of Britain. He explained they had a “lights out” policy while guarding aircraft under repair. He said even one cigarette could give away their position to the German bombers, and the war would have been lost before America even woke up.

The point is, when the fate of your country is really, really on the line, not this tough talk from across the ocean, you go all in, or you’re dead.

And that’s Brits, imagine how the polish, or Jews etc feel. That shirt is passed down unfortunately,

Something few of us, can relate too.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Me too

Ok boys and girls, it’s story time with cono.

“The cigarette”

The cigarette is a story my grandad told me about the Battle of Britain. He explained they had a “lights out” policy while guarding aircraft under repair. He said even one cigarette could give away their position to the German bombers, and the war would have been lost before America even woke up.

The point is, when the fate of your country is really, really on the line, not this tough talk from across the ocean, you go all in, or you’re dead.

And that’s Brits, imagine how the polish, or Jews etc feel. That shirt is passed down unfortunately,

Something few of us, can relate too.

Have you gamed out what happens after Israel indiscriminately bombs the shit out of Palestine, killing, what are you thinking, 100’s of thousands of civilians? Women and children included?

Seems to me that that’s going to lead to Israel being in a pretty precarious position amongst its neighbors.

[cspringsposer]

Me too

Ok boys and girls, it’s story time with cono.

“The cigarette”

The cigarette is a story my grandad told me about the Battle of Britain. He explained they had a “lights out” policy while guarding aircraft under repair. He said even one cigarette could give away their position to the German bombers, and the war would have been lost before America even woke up.

The point is, when the fate of your country is really, really on the line, not this tough talk from across the ocean, you go all in, or you’re dead.

And that’s Brits, imagine how the polish, or Jews etc feel. That shirt is passed down unfortunately,

Something few of us, can relate too.

You sure talk a lot about what others have done. WTF have you ever done to make the world a better place or to help your countryman sleep more safely at night? You don't get to claim credit for what your grandpa, uncle or cousin did. You are judged by the character you reveal and the actions you did or did not take.

[CarlMega]

^indiscriminately killing to honor and appease the legacy of one's ancestors feels like a theme here

[TBS]

Have you gamed out what happens after Israel indiscriminately bombs the shit out of Palestine, killing, what are you thinking, 100’s of thousands of civilians? Women and children included?

Seems to me that that’s going to lead to Israel being in a pretty precarious position amongst its neighbors.

We’re already seeing the impact. Just look at the result from this hospital explosion- Jordan cancels meeting with POTUS, Arab nations taking hardline positions- and from all reasonable reports, this was a Hamas rocket gone bad.

Wait until Israel fucks up for real.

[SumJongGuy]

this was a Hamas rocket gone bad.

Was it really "gone bad"? There isn't a sentient person on earth who wound not expect a scorched earth response from Israel for anything even half of the initial attack launched last week. Hamas and Hezbollah DGAF about their own families or throwing them under Israel's boot. I can totally see them bombing their own fucking hospital and saying Israel did it..

[TBS]

With all due respect, how are African, Syrian and South American asylum seekers in the US by the millions? How are African and Syrian refugees all over Europe?.

Compare the porosity of borders in Gaza vs African nations, Syria and Venezuela and the answer is obvious

[ötzi]

I'd like to see Israel try to think outside the box. Hamas wants them to attack and they have to do something, so what can they do besides a direct attack? Maybe allow women and children 12 and under into Israel, house and feed them in camps, while conducting a limited invasion to get access to the tunnels and flooding or gassing them, and starving the men out. Or something.

[LongShortLong]

I can totally see them bombing their own fucking hospital and saying Israel did it..

Having read some war history, that's totally possible. As is Israel staging to look like Hamas did it. Or anyone else with goals to achieve in the region. Outside chance the US staged it. Almost certainly, it now looks like a rocket launched from inside the Gaza strip went astray.

Something to keep in mind about the truth, especially in a war zone.

[LongShortLong]

IDF telling lies and getting caught. Makes you wonder how many lies go right by, when only the western media watches. I'm happy to hear that western media rooms are seeing some conflict about their biased coverage. It's unlikely Israel will find peace without admitting some truths.

Well, I came in here tonight to eat my hat. Nom Nom.

I got caught up in the emo shit. Sorry. Recognized my own stupidity a few minutes later and was going to delete, but it was responded to already. And I had something else I wanted to say, but I hadn't figured out how to say it.

Yum, hat.

[Meconium]

Muslims of China, bit perplexing. Guess China has a stranglehold on that one. No McDonald's in Turkey getting destroyed over that issue.

[neufox47]

Even now most of the major news sources are still doing a he said she said routine on reporting on the hospital explosion, even though ALL the evidence points to jihadis. Wild.

This might be the worst reporting I can remember.


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[subtle plague]

Hamas friends rioting in Berlin. Why exactly did we take you guys in again after you fled the violence years ago?

So that you can Set cars on fire and threaten the jewish community here?

[Cono Este]

Have you gamed out what happens after Israel indiscriminately bombs the shit out of Palestine, killing, what are you thinking, 100’s of thousands of civilians? Women and children included?

Seems to me that that’s going to lead to Israel being in a pretty precarious position amongst its neighbors.

I didn’t say that.

I’m saying, they tried living under the intl communities “iron dome”, taking their kids to school everyday, thinking about the closest shelter, getting indiscriminately rocketed for 15 yrs, while the intl community pumped “aid” into terrorism, and I think they’re done.

I blame ourselves, not Israel. Hamas should have been dealt with 15 yrs ago. Now Hamas have built themselves a fortress, under their own civilians. That’s the war crime. Now Israel has to lose lives clearing the bastards out, and more civilians will unfortunately die.

Thats not on them, in my opinion. No one can be expected to live like that, and that is without mentioning oct 7th, women and children executed point blank, teen age girls raped and kidnapped, or Hezbollah

It’s a ticking time bomb anyway, Israel will be a glass parking lot if they rely on us any longer.. Iran will have a nuke, if they don’t already, and they will use it.

I now fully support Israel getting over flight privileges and bombing military and political targets in Iran. We should have done that long ago.

[Cono Este]

You sure talk a lot about what others have done. WTF have you ever done to make the world a better place or to help your countryman sleep more safely at night? You don't get to claim credit for what your grandpa, uncle or cousin did. You are judged by the character you reveal and the actions you did or did not take.

I help more poor people, for free, in a month, than you probably have in your entire life.

And I was in the service, the San Diego Life Guard Service, 38 rescues. And a sunburn.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I didn’t say that.

I’m saying, they tried living under the intl communities “iron dome”, taking their kids to school everyday, thinking about the closest shelter, getting indiscriminately rocketed for 15 yrs, while the intl community pumped “aid” into terrorism, and I think they’re done.

I blame ourselves, not Israel. Hamas should have been dealt with 15 yrs ago. Now Hamas have built themselves a fortress, under their own civilians. That’s the war crime. Now Israel has to lose lives clearing the bastards out, and more civilians will unfortunately die.

Thats not on them, in my opinion. No one can be expected to live like that, and that is without mentioning oct 7th, women and children executed point blank, teen age girls raped and kidnapped, or Hezbollah

It’s a ticking time bomb anyway, Israel will be a glass parking lot if they rely on us any longer.. Iran will have a nuke, if they don’t already, and they will use it.

I now fully support Israel getting over flight privileges and bombing military and political targets in Iran. We should have done that long ago.

https://youtu.be/yJAlIHsXcLY?si=aPjZZAo2oqCQJkAV



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[MontuckyFried]

How are the Palestinian refugees going to get to any country on your list? Are they going to fly? Catch a steamer? With the exception of Jordan and Egypt they can’t just walk there.

Well Egypt and Jordan ARE the obvious answers, but they have walls that would make Trump shed a tear of joy. If there was a deal with rich Arab countries, perhaps Egypt and Jordan would allow them to make a straight line to the airport. Interesting how both of those countries are like "Oh, hell naw" to the Gazans, huh? [s]Hmmmm..... I wonder why that might be?[/s]

There are people here that have been to the region. I’m one of them. I wasn’t some contractor war profiteer I was on the ground in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait and Bahrain.

So yeah, I’m with the Brit here, you’re an emotionally driven reactionary moron. Maybe slow down and breathe and think carefully before you post your next lecture on Middle East history, politics and military strategy.

Yeah, genius. That's specifically why I used the qualifier "most" and not all. I know you've been around too. Most =/= All. Learn to read.

[Cono Este]

https://youtu.be/yJAlIHsXcLY?si=aPjZZAo2oqCQJkAV



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I’m not playing games,. I’ll go on record right here, if our entire mid East policy goes up in flames, if our troops at Al Assad or elsewhere are attacked, I will not blame Joe Biden.

You cannot expect people to continue to live under an “iron dome” for another decade, they’ve already tried it your way, and it just got worse.

What is your solution to this? A solution that does involves weekly rocket attacks, rape, murder and kidnapping.

I ask that respectfully. I want to know.

[MontuckyFried]

Hamas friends rioting in Berlin. Why exactly did we take you guys in again after you fled the violence years ago?

So that you can Set cars on fire and threaten the jewish community here?

Doesn't surprise me. There's been a strong Jihadi presence in Germany for a long time. I had a bizarre altercation with some in a very Muslim immigrant part of Frankfurt that spooked the hell out of me. If you look up the US government's terrorist reports on Germany, there's been a real problem with Syrians and ISIS over the years. Berlin in particular seems to be a hot spot according to the reports.

[MontuckyFried]

What is your solution to this? A solution that does involves weekly rocket attacks, rape, murder and kidnapping.

Well, judging by all the calls I'm seeing for a "cease fire" and people begging Israel to chill out and 'be the better country', it seems like their preferred "solution" is for Israel to just roll over and continue taking it ad infinitum. Unreal. If any of OUR neighboring countries ran into a border town and did what Hamas did, we all know there'd be hell to pay and vengeance would be swift.

Unbelievable that ANYBODY thinks that any country shouldn't have the right to take care of business after an attack like that. They ONLY seem to expect that level of pacifism from Israel though. They're like "Comon, guys. Show some restraint. Y U MAD BRO?!"

[ex-powderbroker]

i think the problem is that Gaza is not an independent country. Had it been, then it is a more clear act of war and Israel would have full right to level it. In the jail analogy, even in a prison riot you are still obligated to take care of the people under your charge. Obviously both metaphors are imperfect. I have wanted two states for a very long time, it is the only solution, but it also seems strange to reward Hamas in this moment.

Just my ramblings. Innocent life is precious.

[summit]

Hamas friends rioting in Berlin. Why exactly did we take you guys in again after you fled the violence years ago?

So that you can Set cars on fire and threaten the jewish community here?

Now we all know that people are ideally treated as individuals. As a community, Palestinian immigrants are rather notorious for acting like that in any country they end up in, including Arab and Muslim countries, and sometimes engage in terrorism and insurrection against Arab governments.

This is the reason Arab countries, especially Egypt and Jordan, will not let them in, or even out of Palestine to go other places. Those countries have experienced the negatives, terror, and security threats too, enough that they've heavily invested in border controls to contain the Palestinians, just as Israel has. The Muslim and Arab nations do not want them. But that is given a pass for some reason.

It is much more politically expedient to keep them in Palestinian territories which also allowed for the external boogieman that all dictators need to distract from internal problems (the Arab governments pretend that the Palestinians are brothers and point at the Israelis as the boogieman).

Ah, but then you have a strange alliance between bleeding hearts and closet anti-semites in the West who are also happy to point at Israel as the sole culprit for Palestinians not being able to leave the corrupt and oppressive terrorist Palestinian government they live under.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm