50 years to the day

[Core Shot]

They better start the ground war soon, the media is getting impatient, I think Erin Burnett has a Gala at the Met to get to.

So disgusting.

[Cono Este]

Meetings between state leaders have been called off based on initial reports, so they seem to have mattered.

Biden flying his ass over there, to obviously calm the situation and get humanitarian relief in, and those Jordanian and Egyptian fuckers canceling, tells a big part of this woe to those still in the dark. They shouldn’t even need directions to the library anymore, if they’d take it.

[MontuckyFried]

In a hilarious self-own by Hamas, they put out a video of a "body" being carried through a hospital, being passed between grieving people, kissing it, complete with sappy music and everything. Only problem it was CLEARLY a medical training dummy. CNN had posted it (quite briefly), and now I can't find it ANYWHERE. I saw it, and it made me laugh that they thought they could pull one over on us THAT blatantly. I wonder who got fired, or rather, beheaded over that blunder. Really annoying this one got disappeared from the internet, because you guys really need to see that one, but probably removed because it was BLATANT "misinformation," but sometimes we should be allowed to see that too IMO if it reveals certain things like this.

NOT saying civilians aren't dying or anything. Just be damn aware of the propaganda war they're waging against a seriously gullible West that's trying to "both sides" this whole mess. This one's a sore spot for me after my involvement with OIF and seeing how ISIS played our media, and the gullible, idiotic masses SO hard. I brought in/out countless troops and embedded journalists, so I got to see things from the inside. Let's just say that the ride home was sometimes pretty awkward. Amazing more journalists weren't "accidentally" killed after fucking over our soldiers the way they did at times, or at least how their news networks sliced and diced the footage to misrepresent how shit went down.

[MultiVerse]

You fell for it:

Do the time stamps REALLY matter all that much? The hospital's was a target for a reason. Because Hamas is hanging out there. That's what they do. That's what they've always done. Once again, jihadi terrorists playing the imbeciles in the West like a goddam fiddle.

Propaganda is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, not own the other side.

[MontuckyFried]

You fell for it:

Fell for what exactly? My point wasn't so much who did what, when. My point was that none of it matters as it has been rendered a valid military target per the established rules of the Geneva Convention. Whether or not Israel even shot at it at all, you better believe it was at least targeted, locked in, and ready to shoot. But probably just about every building in Gaza is known and targeted at this point. Just waiting for the "trigger pull" is all.

[MultiVerse]

You literally said, "The hospital's was a target for a reason." Your disclaimer is not a strategy. Military means must be aligned with political ends.

[::: :::]

Whether or not Israel even shot at it at all, you better believe it was at least targeted, locked in, and ready to shoot.

I’m not following
This sounds speculative, in the kindest sense

[J. Barron DeJong]

Gotta admit that come-light-of-day the hospital is still standing undamaged was not one of the scenarios I had considered.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/eliothiggins/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg




https://x.com/idf/status/17145485295...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg


Gonna take a lot to convince me it wasn’t a Palestinian rocket at this point.

[Cisco Kid]

I’m not following
This sounds speculative, in the kindest sense

You don't follow because your brain looks considers the high probability potential answers first. Montucky brain needs to race to a conclusion and a conspiracy always fits the bill. I have friends like that. I had a neighbor like that. A John Wayne tough guy conservative. Knew everything about fixing cars. When he came over to see why my brakes would't bleed the air after I did a brake job, his first thought was that someone rolled back the speedo. First thought.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/barakravid/status/1714...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[ex-powderbroker]

Gotta admit that come-light-of-day the hospital is still standing undamaged was not one of the scenarios I had considered.

it’s truly a land of miracles

[Dantheman]

Gotta admit that come-light-of-day the hospital is still standing undamaged was not one of the scenarios I had considered.

Yeah, wow.

[MontuckyFried]

Gotta admit that come-light-of-day the hospital is still standing undamaged was not one of the scenarios I had considered.

Yeah. No kidding. I'm not sure how I feel about wars being basically streamed real-time. Seems to have opened up a Pandora's Box of constant bullshit, huh?

[MontuckyFried]

Military means must be aligned with political ends.

You mean like WINNING? I vote for winning. Last war the US ever won decisively was WWII and that's because we bombed the ever living shit out of both Europe and Japan. It was brutal. It was awful. But it brought the Axis powers to their knees where they had no choice but to surrender to the Allied forces. THEN we helped them rebuild.

Ever since then, countries have been expected to get political with wars and it hasn't been effective. Especially when trying to appeal to the court of public opinion.

I don't see how Israel can ever stand a chance unless they go full scorched earth on Hamas. No more hiding behind civilians. No more BS. No more tit for tat. The enemy must be utterly crushed once and for all. THEN Gaza can be rebuilt. Hopefully with Hamas completely annihilated and out of the way.

[MontuckyFried]

And for those wondering why Israel isn't just taking in refugees with open arms (refugees who HATE them btw), then why isn't a SINGLE majority muslim country welcoming them in with open arms? Not a one! Here's the list of countries with a Muslim population comprising over 50%:

1. Afghanistan – 99%
2. Iran – 99%
3. Iraq – 99%
4. Mauritania – 99%
5. Morocco – 99%
6. Somalia – 99%
7. Tunisia – 99%
8. Western Sahara – 99%
9. Yemen – 99%
10. Maldives – 98.40%
11. Comoros – 98.30%
12. Niger – 98.30%
13. Turkey – 98%
14. Algeria – 97.90%
15. Palestine – 97.90%
16. Azerbaijan – 97.30%
17. Jordan – 97.10%
18. Uzbekistan – 97.10%
19. Djibouti – 96.90%
20. Libya – 96.60%
21. Pakistan – 96.50%
22. Tajikistan – 96.40%
23. Egypt – 95.30%
24. The Gambia – 95.30%
25. Mali – 94.60%
26. Kosovo – 94.30%
27. Turkmenistan – 93%
28. Syria – 92.80%
29. Saudi Arabia – 92.70%
30. Bangladesh – 90.80%
31. Sudan – 90.70%
32. Kyrgyzstan – 89.40%
33. Indonesia – 87%
34. Oman – 85.90%
35. Guinea – 84.60%
36. Albania – 82.10%
37. Sierra Leone – 78.50%
38. Brunei – 75.10%
39. United Arab Emirates – 75%
40. Kazakhstan – 72%
41. Kuwait – 70.70%
42. Bahrain – 69.70%
43. Malaysia – 66.10%
44. Qatar – 65.20%
45. Burkina Faso – 62.70%
46. Lebanon – 61.20%
47. Chad – 55.10%
48. Nigeria – 51.10%

Come on Muslims. Help your brothers out! Bueller?.... Bueller?....

[J. Barron DeJong]

And for those wondering why Israel isn't just taking in refugees with open arms (refugees who HATE them btw), then why isn't a SINGLE majority muslim country welcoming them in with open arms? Not a one! Here's the list of countries with a Muslim population comprising over 50%:

1. Afghanistan – 99%
2. Iran – 99%
3. Iraq – 99%
4. Mauritania – 99%
5. Morocco – 99%
6. Somalia – 99%
7. Tunisia – 99%
8. Western Sahara – 99%
9. Yemen – 99%
10. Maldives – 98.40%
11. Comoros – 98.30%
12. Niger – 98.30%
13. Turkey – 98%
14. Algeria – 97.90%
15. Palestine – 97.90%
16. Azerbaijan – 97.30%
17. Jordan – 97.10%
18. Uzbekistan – 97.10%
19. Djibouti – 96.90%
20. Libya – 96.60%
21. Pakistan – 96.50%
22. Tajikistan – 96.40%
23. Egypt – 95.30%
24. The Gambia – 95.30%
25. Mali – 94.60%
26. Kosovo – 94.30%
27. Turkmenistan – 93%
28. Syria – 92.80%
29. Saudi Arabia – 92.70%
30. Bangladesh – 90.80%
31. Sudan – 90.70%
32. Kyrgyzstan – 89.40%
33. Indonesia – 87%
34. Oman – 85.90%
35. Guinea – 84.60%
36. Albania – 82.10%
37. Sierra Leone – 78.50%
38. Brunei – 75.10%
39. United Arab Emirates – 75%
40. Kazakhstan – 72%
41. Kuwait – 70.70%
42. Bahrain – 69.70%
43. Malaysia – 66.10%
44. Qatar – 65.20%
45. Burkina Faso – 62.70%
46. Lebanon – 61.20%
47. Chad – 55.10%
48. Nigeria – 51.10%

Come on Muslims. Help your brothers out! Bueller?.... Bueller?....

They aren’t taking them in because they believe allowing a mass exodus of Palestinians will end any hope of ever having a Palestinian state (or Palestinians retaking Israel).

(That’s the reasoning. I’m not arguing it‘s right, or ethical, or whatever.)

[MontuckyFried]

They aren’t taking them in because they believe allowing a mass exodus of Palestinians will end any hope of ever having a Palestinian state (or Palestinians retaking Israel).

(That’s the reasoning. I’m not arguing it‘s right, or ethical, or whatever.)

DING! DING! DING! You are correct, sir. For many decades, the Islamic world has quite openly used the Palestinian people as mere pawns. They'd rather use them as cannon fodder than come to their aid.

[MultiVerse]

You mean like WINNING? I vote for winning. Last war the US ever won decisively was WWII and that's because we bombed the ever living shit out of both Europe and Japan. It was brutal. It was awful. But it brought the Axis powers to their knees where they had no choice but to surrender to the Allied forces. THEN we helped them rebuild.

Ever since then, countries have been expected to get political with wars and it hasn't been effective. Especially when trying to appeal to the court of public opinion.

I don't see how Israel can ever stand a chance unless they go full scorched earth on Hamas. No more hiding behind civilians. No more BS. No more tit for tat. The enemy must be utterly crushed once and for all. THEN Gaza can be rebuilt. Hopefully with Hamas completely annihilated and out of the way.

You are clueless. The allies won WWII, not the U.S. by itself. Outside forces have very little power to affect the internal decision-making of enemies. They can only influence their internal calculus from an outside perspective. If a foreign entity is willing to hurt their own people to achieve their political goals, they will.

Big wars with a global element, Israel is not just fighting Hamas, require allies. It doesn't matter how powerful a country is, there is no "country first" that can defeat a large number of other countries. The strategy you're describing means Israel wins a battle with Hamas but loses the war.

Whether it's Israel fighting the axis of Jihad, Ukraine repelling Russia, or a Cold-War with the CCP; it’s absolutely necessary to get as much as possible of the world on your side.

[MontuckyFried]

The allies won WWII, not the U.S. by itself.

Reading fail, MV. I literally said, and I quote, "...they had no choice but to surrender to the Allied forces."

Whether it's Israel fighting the axis of Jihad, Ukraine repelling Russia, or a Cold-War with the CCP, it’s absolutely necessary to get as much as possible of the world on our side.

That's where things are getting weird this time around. In the past, I'd say absolutely, BUT this time it seems most countries are kinda wanting to stay out of it... for now. Maybe people are burned out of the Ukraine-Russia debacle or something. Maybe it's because Saudi's still trying to keep things intact with their upcoming agreements with Israel. I dunno. I just don't get the sense this is gonna lead to WWIII or anything. After the atrocities of the 10/7 Hamas attacks, I think Israel's getting similar leeway that the United States did after 9/11 to go at least attempt to take care of business. At least for now.

[MultiVerse]

You literally said, "Last war the US ever won decisively was WWII and that's because we bombed the ever living shit out of both Europe and Japan"

I dunno. I just don't get the sense this is gonna lead to WWIII or anything. After the atrocities of the 10/7 Hamas attacks, I think Israel's getting similar leeway that the United States did after 9/11 to go at least attempt to take care of business. At least for now.

You're right, you don't know. Any leeway for Israel would quickly evaporate if they pursued your strategy of bombing the ever living shit out of Palestinians.

[Cono Este]

Th fact these bullshit stories get out, and gobbled up by the salivating media, just shows it’s been so long since a real war.

Id love to see some of these dip shit reporters on Pattons drive to Germany. “Should we turn around and help those people that were just trying to kill us?”

A siege is perhaps, not the best idea, but that place is honeycombed out like Mt Suribachi. They just come out to shoot you in the back, or lob a rocket. Holding, and planning for all that, with your own civilians above you, is pretty unmatched in history as a war crime.

[mcski]

Bombing the shit out of Tokyo and Dresden had zero impact on the outcome of the war. Your comparison is stupid.

[Meconium]

And for those wondering why Israel isn't just taking in refugees with open arms (refugees who HATE them btw), then why isn't a SINGLE majority muslim country welcoming them in with open arms? Not a one! Here's the list of countries with a Muslim population comprising over 50%:

1. Afghanistan – 99%
2. Iran – 99%
3. Iraq – 99%
4. Mauritania – 99%
5. Morocco – 99%
6. Somalia – 99%
7. Tunisia – 99%
8. Western Sahara – 99%
9. Yemen – 99%
10. Maldives – 98.40%
11. Comoros – 98.30%
12. Niger – 98.30%
13. Turkey – 98%
14. Algeria – 97.90%
15. Palestine – 97.90%
16. Azerbaijan – 97.30%
17. Jordan – 97.10%
18. Uzbekistan – 97.10%
19. Djibouti – 96.90%
20. Libya – 96.60%
21. Pakistan – 96.50%
22. Tajikistan – 96.40%
23. Egypt – 95.30%
24. The Gambia – 95.30%
25. Mali – 94.60%
26. Kosovo – 94.30%
27. Turkmenistan – 93%
28. Syria – 92.80%
29. Saudi Arabia – 92.70%
30. Bangladesh – 90.80%
31. Sudan – 90.70%
32. Kyrgyzstan – 89.40%
33. Indonesia – 87%
34. Oman – 85.90%
35. Guinea – 84.60%
36. Albania – 82.10%
37. Sierra Leone – 78.50%
38. Brunei – 75.10%
39. United Arab Emirates – 75%
40. Kazakhstan – 72%
41. Kuwait – 70.70%
42. Bahrain – 69.70%
43. Malaysia – 66.10%
44. Qatar – 65.20%
45. Burkina Faso – 62.70%
46. Lebanon – 61.20%
47. Chad – 55.10%
48. Nigeria – 51.10%

Come on Muslims. Help your brothers out! Bueller?.... Bueller?....

Like practicing Muslims or, “My parents took me to Christmas mass so I’m Catholic”
90+% for the top 31 country’s, for real or government statistics?

[Cisco Kid]

In WWII the allies sustained the German people in every town the took over while getting rid of Nazis who had been in charge. I've been reading a pdf copy of a daily thoughts of a Col. who was in charge of transitioning a German sector. Interesting read. DM me if you want a copy to get some education.