50 years to the day

[mud]

As an Armenian "What this shit between you two again? Sit the fuck down and pass the baklava"

[MontuckyFried]

Everyone knew Hamas was terrible, few thought they were ISIS level sociopaths.

Exactly. That's what makes this event so particularly shocking. Attacks were always to be expected. Full blown public gang-raping, beheadings, mutilations and desecration, etc. however were not. At least not on this scale.

[MontuckyFried]

Interesting interview with someone who was in one of the kibbutz under attack, and grandfather in the story sounds bad ass
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ssacre/675596/

and half the videos montucky is talking about were put out by Hamas. They murdered and tortured for the camera, that was the intent of this. Pure barbarism

What a harrowing tale. Faaaaaaak. And you're 100% correct about the intent behind their intents with documenting it all for the world to see. Their goal was to terrorize in an effort to demoralize and break the enemy, but they are SORELY mistaken. This will only serve to backfire, will bring down the full wrath of the IDF's various branches, and turn the world community's sympathies away from Palestine and toward Israel. There is NO way this will ultimately work out in their favor.

[MontuckyFried]

my wife told me last night that the median age in Gaza is 18. It's hard to imagine a scenario where the Palestinian children that make it through this don't end up in some sort of re-education.

This is what concerns me the most. Watch this video and tell me how this can ever be fixed? Absolutely heart breaking seeing children behave this way toward fellow children...


And then there's this child who just saw his sister get murdered:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710886747943387580

When the dust settles from this incident, how on earth will you heal that poor child's heart and not want to seek vengeance as soon as he's big enough? The hatred of the Gazan youth toward Jews is very real. And now the Israeli children who have survived this will have an utter hatred toward the Gazans. Thing were already tense enough. Now with this weekend's shenanigans to top it all off, I weep for those childrens' futures. The Gazan kids in that video are clearly already quite brainwashed in their hatred of the infidels.

[subtle plague]

By all accounts he was a great leader. We need someone like that today. Long live Hammurabi and his Code.

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Pfft you and your liberal hammurabi worshipping on tgr .

He was just a lackey of Šamši-Adad.

[Cono Este]

I know what you’re trying to get at, but the government that’s been in power for the past 14 years (?) is not progressive, or liberal, and lately is very much disinterested in democracy.

They don’t speak for everyone, as our doesn’t. My best Jewish friend is stuck in tel Aviv right now, and he’s done a 180 from when I’ve met him. Got a Nigerian wife, joined a black fraternity, lol, and he grew up as strict orthodox as it gets.

They were making progress to co existing. The old fucks are gonna die soon anyway. Shame

[J. Barron DeJong]

They don’t speak for everyone, as our doesn’t. My best Jewish friend is stuck in tel Aviv right now, and he’s done a 180 from when I’ve met him. Got a Nigerian wife, joined a black fraternity, lol, and he grew up as strict orthodox as it gets.

They were making progress to co existing. The old fucks are gonna die soon anyway. Shame

Yep, ruling party doesn’t speak for everyone.

[MontuckyFried]

They were making progress to co existing. The old fucks are gonna die soon anyway. Shame

Many are saying this was Iran's way of trying to torpedo the upcoming agreements between Israel and the KSA as those two have been making some REAL headway over these last few years. I'm pretty tuned in to the business side of the Middle East and meaningful progress was actually doing really freaking well, at least in regard to international business. Saudi is trying to be the next Dubai with their NEOM project which is really close to Israel. Last I heard, a plan for an official agreement was supposed to come to fruition around 2025.

I sure hope the rest of the ME can prove the Islamic extremists wrong by Israel and KSA continuing to push forward with their plans.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Many are saying this was Iran's way of trying to torpedo the upcoming agreements between Israel and the KSA as those two have been making some REAL headway over these last few years. I'm pretty tuned in to the business side of the Middle East and meaningful progress was actually doing really freaking well, at least in regard to international business. Saudi is trying to be the next Dubai with their NEOM project which is really close to Israel. Last I heard, a plan for an official agreement was supposed to come to fruition around 2025.

I sure hope the rest of the ME can prove the Islamic extremists wrong by Israel and KSA continuing to push forward with their plans.

Hamas spokesperson said the attack was intended to stop Arab countries from normalizing relations with Israel. (See 4th post of this thread.)

ETA:



https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/17...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[XXX-er]

My take is that Israel should give the Palestenians something but they don't

so everyone will keep killing each other

None of it is good or right but it is

[dunfree]

Exactly. That's what makes this event so particularly shocking. Attacks were always to be expected. Full blown public gang-raping, beheadings, mutilations and desecration, etc. however were not. At least not on this scale.

it’s the ISIS social media driven phenomena, HAMAS are going to TikTok executions this week, i hate to think of how fucked up the TikTok loop is that just feeds people murders and executions

[MontuckyFried]

Excellent speech by Biden today. He seemed genuinely disturbed by the events and was adamant we got Israel's back on this one. Hamas done fucked up.

Worth a listen:

[J. Barron DeJong]

<quote>

MUST READ — Former top Israeli domestic intelligence Shin Beth chief Ami Ayalon to Le Figaro on what went wrong in Israel:


“A large part of the responsibility lies of course with the government.


The commanders of all security organizations told [Netanyahu] that the policy conducted was bad and that it was obvious that it would be used by our enemies.


They perceived a moment of great division around the crisis caused in the country by the justice reform.


Of course, politicians did not listen.


Especially with regard to the warnings about the West Bank.


⚡️⚡️⚡️The Israeli government has done everything to ensure that Fatah and the Palestinian Authority are no longer a partner, because they have given power to Hamas.⚡️⚡️⚡️


Yes, we have no choice but to destroy the Ezzeddine al-Qassam Brigades. But we should totally change our policy in order to create a Palestinian partner.


We must say from the outset that our war is not against the Palestinian people.


Our war is against the military wing of Hamas.


Even before we attack, we should say that we want to create a reality in which we talk with the Palestinians, who accept the peace initiatives and want to discuss with us the reality of two states.


But I don't think any Israeli government will agree to do that today.


And yet, if we don't, we will see an upsurge in violence.


⚡️⚡️⚡️Even today, Israel refuses to admit that the Palestinians are a nation. Economic development is not enough for them. They want freedom, they want to see an end to the occupation.⚡️⚡️⚡️


QUESTION; Do you think the events of the weekend would have been avoided if the Palestinian question had been resolved with the creation of a Palestinian state?


“Yes, of course. Look at our concept of security in Israel. Until the Yom Kippur War 50 years ago, we preferred land to peace, because peace was not important to us.


Our goal was security. It wasn't until the shock of the Yom Kippur War that we came to the conclusion that to have security, you need peace.


We only made peace with Egypt because of the trauma of Yom Kippur, and we only started negotiating with the Palestinians in Madrid, and then in Oslo, because of the first Intifada.


Finally, we left Lebanon only because of Shiite terror and suicide bombings. We withdrew from Gaza only because of the second Intifada.


The international community played a major role in all these cases.


Today we are living through a tragedy and nobody cares. We can't blame anyone. No one can save us in spite of ourselves.

https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/1711...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

[mcski]

Exactly. That's what makes this event so particularly shocking. Attacks were always to be expected. Full blown public gang-raping, beheadings, mutilations and desecration, etc. however were not. At least not on this scale.

I keep seeing these horrors get mentioned and definitely not saying they aren’t happening but the only vids I’ve seen posted so far are machine gun slaughtering. Not that that’s not bad enough but is the other stuff actually documented or a case of “someone I know saw this happening ?” Liveleak would post whatever was happening back in the day but that sites been dead a long time now

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://x.com/yair_rosenberg/status/...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

(For anyone who isn’t familiar with Yair, I can assure you he is very much pro Israel.)

[garyfromterrace]

I heard some of Joe's speech and couldn't help think of what would have come out of Donnie's yap in the same circumstances.

I hope the hamas faithful who did this and the orchestrators of this inhuman event pay dearly. There's no doubt that Palestinians have legitimate grievances but nothing warrants the shit I'm hearing about.

It's just so hard to fathom
slaughtering 250 innocent kids attending a techno concert to name only one atrocity.

If part of this was done in the name of religion, then fuck religion and the brainwashing that ensues. My heart grieves for the innocents killed. I just don't know how the cycle will be broken.

[MontuckyFried]

I keep seeing these horrors get mentioned and definitely not saying they aren’t happening but the only vids I’ve seen posted so far are machine gun slaughtering. Not that that’s not bad enough but is the other stuff actually documented or a case of “someone I know saw this happening ?” Liveleak would post whatever was happening back in the day but that sites been dead a long time now

Oh, this is absolutely not a case of "someone I know saw this happening." Many of us here have seen what I'm talking about. How about this one for starters? Can you tell what happened to her?
https://twitter.com/DavidSaranga/sta...92320599785650

Many of the videos in question have indeed been getting removed from the internet, likely for violating community guidelines, or getting blurred. But they're still out there. I can't delete them from my brain unfortunately.

[ex-powderbroker]

i feel the same way. the videos are too numerous and disgusting to share. i’m sure they’re out there in reddit combat footage or israel palestine. can’t watch them.

[dunfree]

I keep seeing these horrors get mentioned and definitely not saying they aren’t happening but the only vids I’ve seen posted so far are machine gun slaughtering. Not that that’s not bad enough but is the other stuff actually documented or a case of “someone I know saw this happening ?” Liveleak would post whatever was happening back in the day but that sites been dead a long time now

I’ve come across pictures/videos on twitter, they seem to disappear quickly to be replaced by censored versions. I don’t need to see someone bludgeoned to death; I’m fine with text. Supposedly the really bad stuff is on Israeli private groups (discord?)

[mcski]

Oh, this is absolutely not a case of "someone I know saw this happening." Many of us here have seen what I'm talking about. How about this one for starters? Can you tell what happened to her?
https://twitter.com/DavidSaranga/sta...92320599785650

Many of the videos in question have indeed been getting removed from the internet, likely for violating community guidelines, or getting blurred. But they're still out there. I can't delete them from my brain unfortunately.

No, you can speculate but you do not know what happened to her. She might have been raped, dragged in the mud, or shit her pants. We don’t know

And there are plenty of sites like the old orgrish or livelink still around that don’t remove anything. So my bs meter is on high w these reports of mass gang rapes, etc. Its a full war zone so very plausible it’s happening but given the amount of stuff out there showing kids getting slaughtered I find it a little suspect that the other stuff is not uploaded as well.

[JimmyCarter]

Mortar fire coming in from Syria now too.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ry-2023-10-10/

[Cisco Kid]

Hamas - Please see our video's to push our message.

If I see them am I aiding the terrorists? No.
If I tell others to look am I aiding the terrorists. Yep.

That's my opinion.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Hamas - Please see our video's to push our message.

If I see them am I aiding the terrorists? No.
If I tell others to look am I aiding the terrorists. Yep.

That's my opinion.

I’d guess that they care only about the number of views, not the context of any particular portion of those views.

[dunfree]

Do you want a fucking video of someone being raped?

If you get a survivor and they say “people were being gang raped and shot” you see”260 bodies found” you see a picture a bunch of bodies, and a video of a woman in her underwear that looked like she’d been ther being groped, “gang rape” isn’t a unfair supposition

[dunfree]

Hamas - Please see our video's to push our message.

If I see them am I aiding the terrorists? No.
If I tell others to look am I aiding the terrorists. Yep.

That's my opinion.

it’s about bragging and recruitment