Guerilla Gravity going out of business?

[PowTron]

Loved my Megatrail, and I’m starting to really like my Gnarvana. Too bad it’s just going to explode and burn my entire family now because they are going under…wait, it isn’t. A lot of people want to dump them immediately, but shops withstanding (totally get that) just ride it and don’t be a moron to lower your chances of breaking the frame.

The newer versions with the carbon seat stays were an absolute red flag for me and it looks like that is where most breaks are coming from. Super happy with my metal rear triangle, and the front seems super overbuilt (other than the downtube frame “pad” I’ve had to glue on 4 times).

Sorry to see this happen. Lots of good people and boom/bust predictions involved that didn’t work out.


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[XXX-er]

I posted it as a flavor to all you GG fan-boi's and I didn't even read the artical

no Idea what y'all are on about but i do know that a GG is a bicycle

NSMB is pumping out a lot of pretty good articals lately, the readers were all BC locals for many years but there is a more international readership lately ... complaining

[Name Redacted]

They made good bikes. Totally like mine and it ways far less than 30lbs which i was used to. I liked the ability to build your own bike and pick from a variety of parts. The cable routing worked fine for me. I guess I will have to keep it forever now. Someday it’ll be in a museum. Haha

I always try to buy as local as possible when i can so it is a bummer to see them go out of business. Sorry for the shops but i guess thats just business.

[grskier]

I have no idea how Eminent is still in business. My guess is their ongoing existence can be chalked up solely to the deep pockets of the ownership. They can't have sold more than 7 or 8 of those butt ugly atrocities.

I never heard of them, then looked it up.... wtf.

[SchralphMacchio]

Well, the steel of my Gen1 custom pink Pedalhead does seem indestructible, so there’s that

[waxman]

Just got the official email from GG.
“As of last Friday, production has been suspended until further notice”
A small crew is working to fulfill small parts and a few remaining bike orders. For the moment they can continue to offer service and warranty parts but encourage submitting orders for those items ASAP


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"submitting orders" f@ck that, as a dealer they should send you the parts for free as a thank you for screwing you over.

[snowaddict91]

My dealer/friend asked for some spares, AFAIK he still hasn't got a reply. Almost all parts besides the headset cups have disappeared from their website anyways.

[dwoovre]

We were hiking last week and the GG crew (about 15 guys) passed us on the trail. We ran into them at the summit and tried to ask a few questions about the company. They were weirdly evasive, and now I know why.
It was a funeral.

[One (+) Sentence]

"submitting orders" f@ck that, as a dealer they should send you the parts for free as a thank you for screwing you over.

How would you like to be a customer waiting on one of their remaining open bike orders still supposedly going to be fulfilled?

[snowaddict91]

How would you like to be a customer waiting on one of their remaining open bike orders still supposedly going to be fulfilled?

I'd have done a CC chargebqck weeks ago and bought something else.

[smmokan]

Unfortunate irony (or foreshadowing?):

[babybear]

Well this is lame. Joe sorry to hear about the zombie inventory.

I have learned to REALLY love my Gnarvana and how it rides. It has a couple quirks but otherwise it fucking RIPS. That being said should I just try to blow it out now at a stupid cheap price?

Does anyone have a paid subscription to that site where you can find which frames have the same or very similar numbers as other frames?

The size 2 Gnarvana fits me so fucking well.

I think the exact opposite.
You love the bike so why wouldn’t you ride the hell out and then blow it out at a stupid cheap price.

[Eluder]

Well this is lame. Joe sorry to hear about the zombie inventory.

I have learned to REALLY love my Gnarvana and how it rides. It has a couple quirks but otherwise it fucking RIPS. That being said should I just try to blow it out now at a stupid cheap price?

Does anyone have a paid subscription to that site where you can find which frames have the same or very similar numbers as other frames?

The size 2 Gnarvana fits me so fucking well.

No way I would try to sell one now. The stigma will wear off a bit in a year or so. There is also the small chance they come back in some form and that would add value.

[Dantheman]

No way I would try to sell one now. The stigma will wear off a bit in a year or so. There is also the small chance they come back in some form and that would add value.

Plus, they've been firesaleing their inventory for the last couple months. Anyone with the slightest interest has bought one already. At this point in the season you might have trouble giving away a used one.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

You guys are right. I'm glad mine has the metal rear end. Hopefully I can figure out how to make it not so damn loud. I've been wanting to get into the high pivot game thought and told someone at my last race, "If they made this Gnarvana with a high pivot it would be one of the most incredible bikes of all time."

[Andeh]

Which part(s) are loud? The chainslap? Headset? Cables?

I never found that the stock chainstay protector worked very well. I tried getting an STFU to work but couldn't get it to not rub in full range. VHS slapper tape seemed to work better on the CS, but I didn't do a great job cutting it and peeled it back with my heal rub.

The headset is annoying but I eventually got it quiet. I found it's really sensitive to getting enough preload on it - I basically would torque it down until the steering got slow, then backed it off. And used LOTS of marine grease around the cups.

For cables, I was running wireless so only had to deal with brakes. I put strips of mastic tape on both sides of the entrances to the hatch, and also used one of those rubber bumpers on the brake line right in front of the hatch.

One thing you might try for a lot less investment than a new bike would be an O-Chain. It helps minimize the high pedal kickback the GG bikes have, and quiets the chain down. I ran mine in the 9 degree setting.

One thing I didn't try enough on my GG was running air instead of coil. On my new bike, I've run both air and coil and while the pedal kickback is much less on it (so much that I got rid of the O-Chain), I do still get some foot fatigue on trails with lots of bomb holes when I run coil. For whatever reason, I don't with air. My theory is that the higher mid-stroke support of coil is doing it. A lot of that is probably due to personal preference and rider technique though.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Which part(s) are loud? The chainslap? Headset? Cables?

I never found that the stock chainstay protector worked very well. I tried getting an STFU to work but couldn't get it to not rub in full range. VHS slapper tape seemed to work better on the CS, but I didn't do a great job cutting it and peeled it back with my heal rub.

The headset is annoying but I eventually got it quiet. I found it's really sensitive to getting enough preload on it - I basically would torque it down until the steering got slow, then backed it off. And used LOTS of marine grease around the cups.

For cables, I was running wireless so only had to deal with brakes. I put strips of mastic tape on both sides of the entrances to the hatch, and also used one of those rubber bumpers on the brake line right in front of the hatch.

One thing you might try for a lot less investment than a new bike would be an O-Chain. It helps minimize the high pedal kickback the GG bikes have, and quiets the chain down. I ran mine in the 9 degree setting.

One thing I didn't try enough on my GG was running air instead of coil. On my new bike, I've run both air and coil and while the pedal kickback is much less on it (so much that I got rid of the O-Chain), I do still get some foot fatigue on trails with lots of bomb holes when I run coil. For whatever reason, I don't with air. My theory is that the higher mid-stroke support of coil is doing it. A lot of that is probably due to personal preference and rider technique though.

Yeah headset cups and the shock bolts make the most noise. Headset cups when turning at low/no speed. I spent half the day driving around yesterday to find retaining compound. I had to order Loctite 609 online.

Shock bolts squeak like crazy when pedaling. Take em apart, clean, light lube, proper torque.......screaming loud again in half a day.

I do want to setup a Sram-mano AXS/XT drivetrain so that I can lose the shifter cable. Also making the dropper cable have to go in on the left side of the bike is stupid. If the AXS post was better I would run that as well to ditch the cable.

[Andeh]

It might be worth getting a fresh set of shock bushings. You're running a Push right? It might worth calling them up and asking for new bushings, because I never had any issues with Fox, SRAM, offset, or EXT bushings. Of those, EXT bushings were the smoothest/lowest friction.

I have no issues with my 2 AXS droppers other than they're absurdly expensive, only have 170mm travel, and need service once a year. At one of the bike expos this year, BikeYoke was showing off a wireless (200) dropper that they're going to release next year. If it's anywhere near as good as their cable ones, it should be sweet.

Edit: I forgot, I also made myself a set of titanium shock bolts. No idea if that helped with squeaking. I had to order them over length and cut them down to get the correct unthreaded length.

[bagtagley]

I'm in no hurry to get rid of it. Should last a while, and while it's gimmicky, I got it because I can convert it between a decent enduro bike and a ripping trail bike. I don't convert it on a regular basis, but it does happen, and the effort is worth not having to buy and maintain another bike. And, if it does tank in value, that makes it a lot easier to justify beating the piss out of it at Snowshoe.

Mine isn't that noisy. My headset always creaks. It goes away if you pull apart and clean but comes right back so I don't bother. Also, every seat I've put on it has creaked, which isn't the bike's fault but is weird. Every single one.

[Andeh]

I just dug into my records. If you want to make your own Ti shock bolts for a Revved frame with alloy rear, you need to order some M8 x 1.25mm thread pitch parallel socket heads. You need 40mm unthreaded length (rear) and 25mm unthreaded length (front). Standard bolts of this type have a max of 25mm thread length, so I had to buy a 65mm for the rear and a 50mm for the front, and cut them down with a Dremel tool. It took like 15min per bolt, really slow going. I got the bolts from RaceTi.com, they were about $5/ea and $7 shipping. https://www.raceti.com/product/m8-x-...ad-screw-bolt/

There was another local guy who had a GG and he was complaining about the seat/seatpost creaking. He even shipped it back to them, they inspected it and said it was fine. I don't know if he ever got it fixed before he sold it. I do know that a lot of GG bikes come with BikeYoke droppers, who did a running change to the saddle clamp heads & bolts a few years back to address creaking. If you've got one of those droppers, you might want to look into that. When I had a 185 Revive, switching to the new head did fix creaking for me.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

I just dug into my records. If you want to make your own Ti shock bolts for a Revved frame with alloy rear, you need to order some M8 x 1.25mm thread pitch parallel socket heads. You need 40mm unthreaded length (rear) and 25mm unthreaded length (front). Standard bolts of this type have a max of 25mm thread length, so I had to buy a 65mm for the rear and a 50mm for the front, and cut them down with a Dremel tool. It took like 15min per bolt, really slow going. I got the bolts from RaceTi.com, they were about $5/ea and $7 shipping. https://www.raceti.com/product/m8-x-...ad-screw-bolt/

There was another local guy who had a GG and he was complaining about the seat/seatpost creaking. He even shipped it back to them, they inspected it and said it was fine. I don't know if he ever got it fixed before he sold it. I do know that a lot of GG bikes come with BikeYoke droppers, who did a running change to the saddle clamp heads & bolts a few years back to address creaking. If you've got one of those droppers, you might want to look into that. When I had a 185 Revive, switching to the new head did fix creaking for me.

Ok awesome. I just order new bushings from Push. Will get these bolts too. Thanks!

[stuckathuntermtn]

Yeah headset cups and the shock bolts make the most noise. Headset cups when turning at low/no speed. I spent half the day driving around yesterday to find retaining compound. I had to order Loctite 609 online.

Shock bolts squeak like crazy when pedaling. Take em apart, clean, light lube, proper torque.......screaming loud again in half a day.

I do want to setup a Sram-mano AXS/XT drivetrain so that I can lose the shifter cable. Also making the dropper cable have to go in on the left side of the bike is stupid. If the AXS post was better I would run that as well to ditch the cable.

That's weird, I don't have that problem. The geo adjust bit of the headset rattled a little but either I'm used to it, or it just doesn't anymore. I have no bolt, bearing, shock bushing, cable housing or any other noise. Like I said, it's quieter than my hardtail. Trail Pistol(a) so YMMV, I guess.
Wtf is Shimano but AXS? Link?

[rideit]

Don’t take this the wrong way, Stuckie, but I am pretty sure your use case and WRG’s use case are quite…dissimilar.

[carlh]

I have been feeding my gnarvana a steady diet of steep tech since buying it from Marshall this spring and the only issue is a stuck water bottle bolt. The outside of my x2 looks a bit oily so might have to buy a coil for it too. Bummer to hear about the brand since the bike rides very well. I think it is at least 3lbs lighter than the sentinel I replaced with the same wheelset.

[One (+) Sentence]

No way I would try to sell one now. The stigma will wear off a bit in a year or so. There is also the small chance they come back in some form and that would add value.

I just can’t imagine Joe taking these bikes off his sales floor for a “year or so” and then seeing their value increase.