Guerilla Gravity going out of business?

**beaterdit** · 09-09-2023, 06:48 AM

I’m in sure he’s talking about selling a used one. Retailers have to move inventory, period.

No way I’d sell a used one right now. You’re gonna take a big hit now or later regardless, might as well ride and enjoy it. At least they seem to be tough.

**Meconium** · 09-09-2023, 08:51 AM

Buy low, ride high.

**Whiteroom_Guardian** · 09-09-2023, 09:21 AM

Anyone feel like trying to buy some Ti bolts? I can't checkout on this raceti.com site linked below. I have tried a couple different browsers.

Originally Posted by Andeh

I just dug into my records. If you want to make your own Ti shock bolts for a Revved frame with alloy rear, you need to order some M8 x 1.25mm thread pitch parallel socket heads. You need 40mm unthreaded length (rear) and 25mm unthreaded length (front). Standard bolts of this type have a max of 25mm thread length, so I had to buy a 65mm for the rear and a 50mm for the front, and cut them down with a Dremel tool. It took like 15min per bolt, really slow going. I got the bolts from RaceTi.com, they were about $5/ea and $7 shipping. https://www.raceti.com/product/m8-x-...ad-screw-bolt/

There was another local guy who had a GG and he was complaining about the seat/seatpost creaking. He even shipped it back to them, they inspected it and said it was fine. I don't know if he ever got it fixed before he sold it. I do know that a lot of GG bikes come with BikeYoke droppers, who did a running change to the saddle clamp heads & bolts a few years back to address creaking. If you've got one of those droppers, you might want to look into that. When I had a 185 Revive, switching to the new head did fix creaking for me.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 09-14-2023, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by rideit

Don’t take this the wrong way, Stuckie, but I am pretty sure your use case and WRG’s use case are quite…dissimilar.

No shit.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 09-17-2023, 09:26 AM

Ok, the headset makes noise, but the Bonti rapid drive hub is louder.

**g_man80** · 10-03-2023, 03:41 PM

Pinkbike: Guerrilla Gravity Appears to Have Closed Up Shop https://m.pinkbike.com/news/guerrill...d-up-shop.html

**The SnowShow** · 10-03-2023, 03:59 PM

Sucks. I remember touring their shop when they first opened as a startup during Denver Startup Week years ago.

From a business POV, could they have gone a different direction and produced mid-level mtn biked vs higher end? Maybe they would have gotten more business? Seems like the high-end market is very saturated with companies?

**toast2266** · 10-03-2023, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by The SnowShow

From a business POV, could they have gone a different direction and produced mid-level mtn biked vs higher end? Maybe they would have gotten more business? Seems like the high-end market is very saturated with companies?

I don't think "made in USA" and "mid-level" really get to co-exist in the same sentence.

As much as anything, seems like they got a bit ahead of themselves and/or unlucky, sinking a bunch of money into their manufacturing when bikes were booming during covid, only to then get crushed in the subsequent crash. Or maybe it's just that the investors realized they could make a lot more money with the same tech and equipment building something other than bikes - Revved (which owns the thermoplastic equipment) is still in business. Maybe they're pumping out Guerrila Gravity branded war drones for the DoD.

**One (+) Sentence** · 10-03-2023, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Sucks. I remember touring their shop when they first opened as a startup during Denver Startup Week years ago.

From a business POV, could they have gone a different direction and produced mid-level mtn biked vs higher end? Maybe they would have gotten more business? Seems like the high-end market is very saturated with companies?

Their bikes were relatively affordable in the grand scheme of high end mountain bikes.

**The SnowShow** · 10-03-2023, 05:30 PM

Is it just not possible to build a bike like the Canyon Neurons in the US and have it be like $1600-2500? Seems like they could have been looking more at that price point and gotten some interest? What do I know….

**Andeh** · 10-03-2023, 05:32 PM

I got my bare frame (no shock) GG in spring of 2020 when bikes were unobtainium for $2200, which felt like a steal compared to the Ibis Ripmo I was trying to get and was told was ~1 year wait at the time. I feel like if anything, they should have been aiming for higher margins.

**One (+) Sentence** · 10-04-2023, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Is it just not possible to build a bike like the Canyon Neurons in the US and have it be like $1600-2500? Seems like they could have been looking more at that price point and gotten some interest? What do I know….

Honestly, most of the U.S. bike shops who are having a tough go at it right now are saddled by bad inventory - most specifically mountain bikes under $2500. When the gyms closed up during the pandemic and everyone wanted to give cycling a try, way too many of those types of bikes were backordered and built. Now nobody wants them and those bikes have tied up LBS's open-to-buy dollars. Retail bike over $6k are still selling consistently at numbers similar to 2019.

Outsourcing an open design aluminum frame and throwing an SX group and steel stanchioned fork on it was never part of GG's business model.

**XtrPickels** · 10-04-2023, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence

Honestly, most of the U.S. bike shops who are having a tough go at it right now are saddled by bad inventory - most specifically mountain bikes under $2500. When the gyms closed up during the pandemic and everyone wanted to give cycling a try, way too many of those types of bikes were backordered and built. Now nobody wants them and those bikes have tied up LBS's open-to-buy dollars. Retail bike over $6k are still selling consistently at numbers similar to 2019.

Outsourcing an open design aluminum frame and throwing an SX group and steel stanchioned fork on it was never part of GG's business model.

Yeah- pretty much every company in the outdoors space made mistakes during COVID. The ones that are surviving are the ones that have enough cash on hand to weather their poor decisions. I doubt the GG was in that position, especially with the investment they were making into the business.

**XXX-er** · 10-04-2023, 11:33 AM

I was suprised to see that Kona was sold or restructured or wtf, but shop bro told me dealers/ distributors/ brands this was all gona happen

why: low margins/ high costs
when: the next year
who will survive : an LBS with a good shop producing income

who is next ?

**grskier** · 10-04-2023, 11:41 AM

One of the things I (probably for a lack of trying) haven't seen mentioned here, that is in the PB article is that their "Angel Investor" decided to pull their money. Who knows how fast that happened, if they had a chance to try to secure other funding, etc...

**stuckathuntermtn** · 11-17-2023, 01:01 PM

Just got an email saying Canfield is now carrying service parts. Maybe just while supplies last?
What a cool coincidence, my other bike is a 2013 Nimble 9. When there were still brothers.

**snowaddict91** · 11-17-2023, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Just got an email saying Canfield is now carrying service parts. Maybe just while supplies last?
What a cool coincidence, my other bike is a 2013 Nimble 9. When there were still brothers.

Yeah, it sounds like they just took over existing inventory. They also have a former GG employee now on staff, so that should help with CS knowledge. We have a Canfield in the garage as well, they are local-ish, and they're good people. I'm glad there will be somewhere to get parts for a bit.

**beaterdit** · 11-17-2023, 01:44 PM

Couldn’t be happier with our Canfields and the company. They've been around forever, don’t think they're going anywhere. This move is both cool and encouraging.

**smmokan** · 11-17-2023, 01:54 PM

GG carbon frames with Canfield suspension? Yes please.

**rideit** · 11-17-2023, 01:56 PM

My first thought. A reasonably priced,carbon CBF/GG mashup ? I'm so fucking IN. Hope they do it, and do an e-bike!

**snowaddict91** · 11-17-2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by smmokan

GG carbon frames with Canfield suspension? Yes please.

That would be killer. Supposedly all the GG tooling is for sale, so there's a chance. Lol

**beaterdit** · 11-17-2023, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by smmokan

GG carbon frames with Canfield suspension? Yes please.

Or straight up Revved carbon Canfield frames!

And here I thought my current Canfield quiver were basically lifetime bikes D'oh!

**SchralphMacchio** · 11-17-2023, 04:00 PM

I don’t think Revved ever explained if there was going to be a post consumer recycling process, or if it was intended for reuse of manufacturing scrap material?