If only there was something we could do...

[::: :::]

But no one seems to want to talk about anything but just ban guns.

you specifically keep bringing it up when no one else does

[waveshello]

What's the current rationale for not putting armed security guards in schools? I think that's a great step to take NOW, whether or not additional restrictions on gun ownership are implemented.

I'd gladly pay the additional property tax or whatever to fund that. What parent with kids in school wouldn't? The kids already have to think about these things and practice for the worst--It's an unfortunate reality, and seeing a security guard isn't going to make them feel less safe at this point??

Because of the amount of guns of all types out in the wild currently, this problem will continue long after gun control legislation is enacted, if we don't protect/secure schools better.

I'm not saying this is the only thing we should do, but let's do THIS now!! There's no sticky constitutional issues to overcome and it should have an immediate effect on deterring these douche bags.

"It's not enough" is a stupid argument because it is something, which is more than nothing, which is what is currently being done.

[waveshello]

There are ~100k public schools in the US, 2 armed officers in each school making 100k a year = 20 B / year. You think we could afford it?

[ex-powderbroker]

well, let’s see. 130k public schools. 2 full time security pros working full time at 65k yearly. That would be about 16,900,000,000 plus pensions and whatever for a self inflicted wound no other country has to deal with. and also the fact that this would not only damage all kids psychologically by turning schools into prisons, it’s also been show to extraordinarily hurt minority kids. throw in a few more billion for security fencing, watch towers, bulletproof glass, etc.

Oh! the gop doesn’t want to pay for anything or raise taxes, according to what ::osted earlier the cuts for the debt ceiling would be 51% across the board if they left veterans affairs and homeland security intact 100%.

so there are almost no positives to this solution but a lot of negatives. not to mention that it would only be a matter of time (weeks?) before one of these freaks murders a kid or rapes a girl on school property.


why not just make guns much harder to keep and acquire again?

[californiagrown]

There are ~100k public schools in the US, 2 armed officers in each school making 100k a year = 20 B / year. You think we could afford it?

They'd make half that and there would be one gaurd, but thats still 5B. And people already bitch and moan about property taxes. Additionally, armed school security hasnt performed well previously (ran and hid). Lastly, do we really want an undertrained mallcop walking around a school with a firearm? You think cops have an authority complex, oh buddy thats nothing compared to a police school dropout given a gun and a whistle only a few years removed from the age group they are hired to protect and discipline.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

When have I argued people with mental health problems should be allowed to own firearms? theres already a question on the background test asking if you've been deemed mentally deficient or whatever language they use. They're already prohibited people.

But no one seems to want to talk about anything but just ban guns.

Except it’s the honor system. Do you have mental health issues, do you use illegal drugs, etc.


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[SumJongGuy]

What's the current rationale for not putting armed security guards in schools? I think that's a great step to take NOW, whether or not additional restrictions on gun ownership are implemented.

What schools don't have SROs? From the day my kids started kindergarten in 2005 through 2022 every school they've attended always had an armed SRO around. Problem is that's not the only place where children and people with children frequent. Churches, malls, parks, theaters?? You want armed guard at all those places too just so you can bring your gun too?

How about a society where a large percentage of the people around you aren't packing.... where it's harder to get a gun than it is to get sudafed?

[byates1]

Let's be fair most ppl EDC 'ing are not the ones losing it and going into schools etc..

For the record I don't carry.

[SumJongGuy]

The incidence of road rage and escalation of road rage confrontations is tied pretty closely to people who carry firearms. Again, the myth that an armed society is a polite society is completely busted...

A survey conducted initially in Arizona1 and then nationally found that motorists in a vehicle with a gun were more likely to behave rudely or aggressively and to exhibit road rage—making obscene gestures, cutting off other cars, or engaging in other dangerous driving behavior.2 Another 2017 study found that motorists behaved more aggressively with a firearm in the vehicle, where just the presence of a gun was associated with dangerous driving.3

https://everytownresearch.org/report...e-on-the-rise/

[::: :::]

Let's be fair most ppl EDC 'ing are not the ones losing it and going into schools etc..

For the record I don't carry.

let's try another reasonable generality...
very few people who carry everyday, and aren't paid to do so, actually have a need to carry -- they just want to

[Cisco Kid]

At the begining of this thread I was mocked and assured 'no one is coming for your guns' now you're actually in favor of widespread confiscation? Not arguing, just checking, social barometer and all that.

Are you a criminal or insane? We'll come and take it. Dealing drugs or women or children? We'll come and take it. Are you just 2A paranoid crazy old man, suburban housewife or gun fag TGR poster? You can keep it if you register it and take a competency test so you know how fucking dangerous it is. Like a car.

Times, they change son. Try to keep up.

[oldnew_guy]

What's the current rationale for not putting armed security guards in schools? I think that's a great step to take NOW, whether or not additional restrictions on gun ownership are implemented.

I'd gladly pay the additional property tax or whatever to fund that. What parent with kids in school wouldn't? The kids already have to think about these things and practice for the worst--It's an unfortunate reality, and seeing a security guard isn't going to make them feel less safe at this point??

Because of the amount of guns of all types out in the wild currently, this problem will continue long after gun control legislation is enacted, if we don't protect/secure schools better.

I'm not saying this is the only thing we should do, but let's do THIS now!! There's no sticky constitutional issues to overcome and it should have an immediate effect on deterring these douche bags.

"It's not enough" is a stupid argument because it is something, which is more than nothing, which is what is currently being done.

Cops turning school issues into judicial system issues and leaving kids with criminal records.

[oldnew_guy]

Its been discussed in this thread? You got me. Where? Any reason the discussion doesn't continue?

You keep going on about how the discussion isn't happening instead of actually talking about real policy implementations that would put a dent in the issue.

You seem to have lots of words, if it hasn't been discussed adequately feel free to post something about these issues that generates a discussion.

[Meadow Skipper]

Would those guys that have been blasting kids in their yards and driveways been screened out for mental reasons? Cleveland TX? The Uvalde shooter? Sandy Hook? Nashville? Louisville? I could go on.

[Cisco Kid]

100% sure that some would so yes.

[TBS]

Fun fact - Tim Mcveigh was busted after he bombed the Murrah building when he was pulled over and had an unregistered gun in the car.

Under today's laws in Oklahoma, police could not have detained him

[Meadow Skipper]

100% sure that some would so yes.

Did you look at the people that committed those or did you just say something that would support your position?

[ex-powderbroker]

Did you look at the people that committed those or did you just say something that would support your position?

why are you asking him to do your homework? look up how they got the guns.

off the dome:
cleveland texas shooter would never have been able to get a legal gun since he was illegal
sandy hook was improperly stored weapons

why should 18 year olds be able to get guns?
why should guns not have to be stored properly?
who needs ar's or handguns?

the laws are full of holes and altogether too permissive, the guns and ammo are too cheap. lots of problems.

[Meadow Skipper]

… look up how they got the guns.

I did.

the laws are full of holes and altogether too permissive, the guns and ammo are too cheap. lots of problems.

That was pretty much my point. This dithering about on mental illness doesn’t come anywhere close to being an single effective solution.

[ex-powderbroker]

great, i agree. if the violence is going to slow it has to be much harder to acquire weapons. fortunately there are many ways to skin this cat, none of which are "banning guns" or debating nuances of mental illness that no one will ever agree on and would take doctors, specialists, and intrusive databases that may or may not be constitutional.

raise the age
require insurance
require storage
require training
ban gun shows and person to person sales
gun owners must have permits
no one with criminality not limited to domestic disputes, serious driving infractions, etc should have guns
anyone discharged or not fit for service can't have guns
assault rifles specially permitted like machine guns
etc and etc


lots of friction and removing guns from people who possess them that then disqualify themselves.

[byates1]

^ quite possible much of this happens. Seems like the way to go. Especially if we keep having these horrible events.

Kind of like how dwi became a thing, then more serious, and more serious over time.

I own a couple guns, don't see myself buying anymore. I don't understand having dozens of guns.

[Meadow Skipper]

raise the age
require insurance
require storage
require training
ban gun shows and person to person sales
gun owners must have permits
no one with criminality not limited to domestic disputes, serious driving infractions, etc should have guns
anyone discharged or not fit for service can't have guns
assault rifles specially permitted like machine guns
etc and etc

I like it.

[TBS]

Make all semi-auto (rifled) firearms subject to NFA and you will go a long way to reducing sales of people-killing weapons

[basinbeater]

All guns entered society legally.
Responsible gun owners are responsible until they aren't.
People without mental health issues sometimes develop them.

[J. Barron DeJong]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

The guns are the problem.