If only there was something we could do...

[bennymac]

Exactly. FWIW, this ad appeared a few days before the shooting from the same company that manufactured the gun used in Texas. Nice use of the English language btw.

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In 2017 a gunman in Las Vegas perched in his hotel suite opened fire on an outdoor music festival and killed 58 people; nearly 500 others were wounded. Among the arsenal discovered in his hotel room were four semi-automatic rifles manufactured by Daniel Defense.

A Daniel Defense spokesman told NBC News that the company has decided to skip the NRA event in Houston "due to the horrifying tragedy in Uvalde, Texas where one of our products was criminally misused."

I guess the optics were bad. No need to worry, that'll change soon enough.

That “train up a child” line is a bible verse…

[SumJongGuy]

That “train up a child” line is a bible verse…

Vanilla ISIS, Ya'll Queda, 'Murikan Taliban bringing the caliphate to a town near you..

[Bunion 2020]

So was Jesus an AK or AR kinda guy?

We need to know!

[SumJongGuy]

NYC cops:

CANT HANDLE ME BEATING UP PROTESTORS? THAN YOU DONT DESERVE ME AT YOUR JUST RAPED AND NEED ASSISTANCE (or active shooter etc).

shitshow

Can't handle us murdering people for selling loose cigarettes???

Hundreds Turn Their Back on de Blasio at NYPD Officer's Funeral

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-offic...ry?id=27851746

[AK47bp]

So was Jesus an AK or AR kinda guy?

We need to know!

Sandal wearing crowd prefer the AK


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[huckbucket]

That “train up a child” line is a bible verse…

Motherfuckers. Whole thing is bible;



Fuck those guys.

[::: :::]

I read that the Australian government removed 650,000 guns during their round up.

That's .165% of the guns in the United States.

I think they said it took 4 months. That means it would take 205 years if scaled to the US.

Im not sure the Australian model is a viable method to point to.

No to mention, Australia's population is about the same as NYC.

Australia’s pop is 3x NYC

Non sequitur, nevertheless

By that logic…for every AUS-sized partition in the US we can remove 650k guns?
US pop / AUS pop = 350M / 25M = 14 AUS inside of the US.
So, concurrently in 14 partitions of the US over 4mos, we could remove 9.1M firearms (14 * 650k). —> So, 27.3M per yr [3 * 9.1M].

If we truly have 400M firearms currently, it would take 14yrs to clear that stock at the rate of AUS.

Not impossible, & god knows we could bring more resources to bear in the effort since US GDP is 20x that of AUS

[DBdude]

Oh I love it when people challenge what i say, but hyperbole ridicule and insults aren't really challenging anything. More like what people do when they avoid challenging anything you say.

stop over 40 pages ago I wrote that the leading cause of death of children is buy gun fire

there is no challenging this fact. either people shouldn't have guns or they don't know how to have them

the end result is the same - strict gun laws

you just don't want to hear it because you hide behind the second amendment

for once in your fucking life say that the death of our children are a price your are willing to pay for your fear for your property and an over reach of government

just say it - it's ok that the main cause of death of children is guns

[DBdude]

I would think this is fairly obvious.

It's been almost 10 years since Sandy Hook and nothing meaningful has happened.

i have always thought you were pretty together but you are wrong

gun deaths are down in CT due to the laws they enacted

especially suicide by gun for men

[schuss]

It's not going to be a popular take. I don't like it. The evidence so far does show however depolicing leads to an increase in crime, increase in homicides, and even drives up traffic fatalities. Unfortunately, defunding the local police doesn't even have the desired effect of making more resources available for other things, instead it increases county sheriffs spending which offsets any city savings.



Yeah, there's a lot literature showing things like militarization, civil asset forfeiture, etc., is counterproductive but good policing as in police in the community responding to calls makes a big difference.

Eh, I feel that's tied to a larger deal of cops not wanting oversight, then refusing to do their jobs when they get a whiff of having to be accountable.
That said - definitely a lot wrong with a lot of both policing and prosecutions for years. I still remember my wife being held up at gunpoint and SF police not even returning calls when were able to tie craigslist posts to her work phone call records (they stole her work cell)

[dunfree]

Eh, I feel that's tied to a larger deal of cops not wanting oversight, then refusing to do their jobs when they get a whiff of having to be accountable.
That said - definitely a lot wrong with a lot of both policing and prosecutions for years. I still remember my wife being held up at gunpoint and SF police not even returning calls when were able to tie craigslist posts to her work phone call records (they stole her work cell)

cops not wanting to do their job, or cops not thinking their job is responding to “civilian” complaints ends up the same place. And the framing of cops vs. civilian is bullshit

[DBdude]

every cop is trained to come home safe and how they do that gives them a great deal of latitude in their conduct

[SumJongGuy]

every cop is trained to come home safe and how they do that gives them a great deal of latitude in their conduct

To be fair, they're not paid well enough to deal with maniacs with AR15s in body armor much better than theirs.. Those .223 rounds go right through standard police vests. That doesn't excuse them murdering unarmed young black men though...

Cops are the ones who should be screaming loudest to stop selling these weapons designed for mayhem to the general public..

[DBdude]

let market forces work

don't do the job

and yes - it is an awful job - they are garbage men with guns

[SumJongGuy]

let market forces work

don't do the job

and yes - it is an awful job - they are garbage men with guns

Sorry but market forces just killed 21 people at that school and too many to count elsewhere this weekend.

[MultiVerse]

As crazy as it sounds, the police are not constitutionality required to protect anyone.


FWIW, there are other examples of depolicing that do not come from police: Philadelphia's District Attorney deprioritized gun possession charges and in Los Angeles arrests are down in large part because the prosecutor refuses to prosecute.

Maybe big picture less policing is a good thing. If the goal however is to reduce gun violence through stricter gun control then you have to convince the people who think “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” and that probably means more policing.

[schuss]

To be fair, they're not paid well enough to deal with maniacs with AR15s in body armor much better than theirs.. Those .223 rounds go right through standard police vests. That doesn't excuse them murdering unarmed young black men though...

Cops are the ones who should be screaming loudest to stop selling these weapons designed for mayhem to the general public..

So what is the price? They get paid more than armed forces folks and frequently bilk the public with "overtime" their last few years to get better pensions than everyone else.
They don't scream because they and their buddies own them and most are probably in the Uvalde camp of when the chips are down, it will be citizens laying down their lives and not them as they take advantage of the fact they have no legal obligation to protect.

[SumJongGuy]

As crazy as it sounds, the police are not constitutionality required to protect anyone.

They're tasked with preventing crime, murder and assault included.. So, they're obligated to stop that when they can.. Protecting the victim/potential victim is a positive extremality of the primary directives.

[Bobby Stainless]

To be fair, they're not paid well enough to deal with maniacs with AR15s in body armor much better than theirs.. Those .223 rounds go right through standard police vests.

What level is a standard police vest?

[MultiVerse]

I agree with your point SJG. But legally speaking that's not true:

“Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.”

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,”

[skiJ]

They're tasked with preventing crime, murder and assault included.. So, they're obligated to stop that when they can.. Protecting the victim/potential victim is a positive extremality of the primary directives.

dude. You are arguing with yourself - And

it's not about 'being paid well enough... '
one takes the job, one needs to attempt to do the job.
If we are now a society. where law enforcement are not responsible to respond when a killer is killing, Who (are) you going to call ?

( I would read the nytimes about a court decision, but of course it's paywalled )
- And it's Not about a court decision, it's about that "social contract" -

' protecting anyone' ? "meh"
... wear the badge, wear the gun... do the job.
Can't do the job ? Find different Work.

it's not about being paid enough / it's part of the job.
Want better PersonalProtectiveEquipment ? Go buy it And get reimbursed --
( the argument about 'bigger / better' gun is junk.
at that point, it is about critical, tactical decision-making. )

one stands for a photo. with the s.w.a.t. team, one has a Responsibility.

"not paid enough" is bull*


skiJ

[skiJ]

no sale, Multi -

it's Not about the Constitution, and
it's not about the courts or law school...

( what you are promoting will lead to anarchy - or the wild west.
And I asked this morning if we aren't already there. )

you are better than this, Multi-


tj

[MultiVerse]

What am I promoting? There's a big difference between someone saying this is how things are and this is how things should be.

This is a topic where both libertarians and US conservatives are obviously wrong but you have to consider second order effects when you think about solutions. The reality is 1) less policing = more crime 2) School drills & security = memetic violence 3) Mass shootings = weaker gun laws.

[seano732]

JFC I can’t understand your rant…. Serious question: Have you ever seen a human being who has been shot IRL?

[skiJ]

( the Federal government does not employ local law enforcement -

sure, "the (Federal) government is not responsible for "protection" " and local police function are not functions of the Federal government.

this is lawyerly b.s. -- )