ON3P SKIS Discussion

[BeHuWe]

This is super helpful. Much of my Colorado skiing is in quite tight terrain, and speeds are lower. Jeffs are stupid fun. But when I get them out to run a bit it would be cool to have something that I can drive into a turn a little more. My Utah and WY skiing seems to be at higher speeds and this would be fun for that, but I still want it responsive in tight stuff. Think a chute/rock garden/tree run that opens up to a run out or groomer. So I'm kinda thinking a Wren would be a bit much, but on a Woods maybe I could enjoy on the bottom half of a run with a groomer runout and still bounce around and have fun up higher.

I have the stiff layup on my Jeff’s and I think they still do fairly well when blasting through chopped up runouts. Maybe you’re like me and just need both [emoji848]


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[EWG]

I have the stiff layup on my Jeff’s and I think they still do fairly well when blasting through chopped up runouts. Maybe you’re like me and just need both [emoji848]


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This is my assumption. Of course.

[Brasso]

Just ski the Jeffs with Wrens on your back. Then when you get to the runout, swap.

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[BeHuWe]

Just ski the Jeffs with Wrens on your back. Then when you get to the runout, swap.

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Also stop and take a piss mid line while you swap skis, add like 500 gnar points to your score


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[Going Coastal]

Damn, that is a nice setup! It will be interesting to get your take on them

Got it out this morning and couldnt be happier.

Skied a decently saturated snow pack with active snow/rain. Anywhere from 8in of untracked/cutup to a few inches of glue, with a little bit of hardpack and groomers to get around the mountain.

As hoped, performance in softer snow was outstanding. Tails released easy to dump speed when needed, quick edge to edge in trees, and stayed on track and supportive through all the cutup stuff and poor visibility surprises. Exactly what i wanted. I've never ridden the 116/118 but I didnt feel the 110 sufferers at all from the narrower profile.

Really happy with the stock layup too, enough to handle the slop but not too much to tire you out.

Still need to figure out the hardpack, but it will get back to the lift. It would probably not be my go to for a strictly groomer day, but I didnt get it to cruise cord with the kids anyway.

TLDR: Awesome ski for maritime pow days.

[kid-kapow]

Got it out this morning and couldnt be happier.

Sweet!

Still need to figure out the hardpack, but it will get back to the lift.

RES skis do groomers well enough when you adopt a two footed GS style. That being said, the narrower ones can still be driven pretty damn hard with a traditional style on anything soft/edgeable - even if they will never compete with a groomer zoomer for both accuracy and pop out of a turn.

[lrn2swim]

PSA: New WD110 192 (kinda want them for myself but can't do it) and J110 176 at Evo in Seattle right now for $499. WD 102 tour 187 for a little bit more

[kid-kapow]

damn, these are pretty hot:


What is not so hot is that the Covid-caused (significant) price hike on materials have caused the price to go up across the board. Iggy mentioned it in the Blister podcast, so good on ON3P for keeping the price low for the majority of the 21/22 season. Considering the milage one gets out of ON3Ps, the new price at +70usd is still good bang for buck, though it might be too high for some folks. There's always gear swap and the various sales though

[Sessiøn]

Some sales for you:

https://www.nextadventure.net/shop/s...facturer=32566

[kid-kapow]

I had my first full day (in the resort) on 50/50 woods102 182s (Tectons, skied with XT3 130lvs and mostly XT3 Tour Pro) today - after just doing a few runs on them earlier on in the season.

They were great in hot pow and slush. Loose, yet stable, and good at going fast - in spite of feeling kinda short and easy to pivot. They were very predictable in weird, wind and sunaffected snow - aka snow that is both chilled rapidly and getting to be crusty, yet baked and soft underneath - where they were more than happy to do big turns. Not turny at all, but very happy to ski like I wanted them to (bigger turns at speed - I do not like to do small turns). Too bad I did not bring the 110s as well, they would probably have been even better.

I've not skied them much this season due to a sligth tune issue and a delta issue with the bindings (10mm vs 1mm that I have grown used to). Fixed the tune yesterday (reworked/checked base bevel and detuning), or close to - some fine tuning to do - and have spent the last two days on setups with tecton/vipecs, so have adjusted to it for the most part. Something still felt kinda weird wrt the balance point, but I think that is just the rockered boot boards in the XT3 Tour Pros - will check tomorrow. If not, then it is "just" a delta thing and I will have to shim the toes.

But long story short, wd102tours should make for an awesome spring ski.

[sf]

a sligth tune issue

Really seems to be far too frequent the last couple of seasons?

[SnakeMagnet]

And it looks like most of the tune issues seen here come from woodsmans. Did a batch just come out wrong?

[Tailwind]

Looks like on3p finally did the price increase they've been forecasting for a few months. It makes some of the spring sales seem a little more appealing. That being said... I still think that the new $800+ pricing is a great deal compared to Atomic's and other mass produced skis at $750...

Every time I take out my Wren's I'm pretty darn stoked. Looking forward to grabbing more skis in the coming years. Dream ski is currently a Wren 96 (or 102) with the new tour core. Hopefully that can be a summer purchase.

[Brasso]

Just skied the SGs for the first time in windblown dense pow that was shallow in some spots and deep in others, with ice crust underneath. All I can say is wow, I think I just found a new favorite ski. It felt like driving an M1 Abrams over sand castles.

Variable? What variable?

[sf]

And it looks like most of the tune issues seen here come from woodsmans. Did a batch just come out wrong?

Don't know, but it's not isolated to woodsmen or 2022

[cocoapuff]

Since they are marked down almost $200 below new sticker price, I'll go ahead and give the BG110 a big endorsement. Less than 10 days on my 187's this winter so holding off on saying much but pretty much an overwhelmingly positive experience thus far. Previous BG was 184 Asym. If you are on the fence, I'd nudge you to grab em while they are cheap.

[mattyTru]

Anyone have firsthand experience on flex difference between the 2018(ish) Kartels and the current Jeffrey 102? I've heard the Kartels were significantly stiffer and am wondering if I should go for a stiff layup on the Jeffrey if I am enjoying my 2018 Kartel 108s.

[Sessiøn]

I probably have had more Kartel/Jeffrey's than anyone actively posting in this thread. Starting with the OG Jeffrey 110 to today's iterations. I actually have a fresh set of J102's. I would not go for the stiff layup. I think the current core profile and associated flex makes them a better ski. The flex pattern doesn't really feel softer, it just feels more round. And I'm a fairly big dude skiing them in a maritime snow pack.

[Marko888]

Since they are marked down almost $200 below new sticker price, I'll go ahead and give the BG110 a big endorsement. Less than 10 days on my 187's this winter so holding off on saying much but pretty much an overwhelmingly positive experience thus far. Previous BG was 184 Asym. If you are on the fence, I'd nudge you to grab em while they are cheap.

Can you share your pluses and minuses compared to the old 116mm 184? I have the same ASYM 184…and found the BG 110’s in a 182 to feel REALLY quick and short feeling…requiring about 25% of the effort. I figure they are making me way too lazy!

[cocoapuff]

Can you share your pluses and minuses compared to the old 116mm 184?

I would just say that they feel quicker and perhaps more nimble than Asyms given their narrower waist. Especially in tight. "Dagger-like" comes to mind. Also the width more appropriate if your pow days are 2-6" rather than 6-18" like mine tend to be these days. The tail on the new shape is a little more supportive as some have mentioned here, ie you feel it a bit more than the Asyms, but still very loose. I actually prefer the more balanced feel it gives the ski. If you never felt like your 184's were too much ski you might try some 187s. I doubt they will feel short like your 182s... but they will still feel like cheating.

[Marko888]

Thanks for sharing. Your comments echo mine, though I sense the 187 stability is more similar to the 184, whereas I feel the 182 is significantly less stable and definitely much more nimble. Weight is a factor for sure: My 110’s are 2100grams… and the 116’s 2300(edit). I also prefer the non-Asym tail in shallower pow most days. If the snow is heavy, the Asym 184 remains king…though if the snow is light, the non-Asym feels much better to me, easier to finish a turn without over rotation. I considered the 110-187, but decided to go Woodsman 110 in 182 as my resort pow ski…and will likely get a 118-187 for cat skiing. … and keep the 184 forever for maritime days.
The 182 BG 110 would be a great pow ski for a smaller person…I’m likely too much for it at 190#. Cheers.

[cocoapuff]

Sounds like you have this comparison nailed down better than I. Good insights and good points about the Asyms tail in maritime pow vs. the new BG tail in lower density. Finishing the turn and not over rotating is what I like about my 110s but in heavier pow I'd probably opt for Asyms as well. For reference my 187 110s are 2230g and my 184 Asyms were 2250g.

[Marko888]

I double checked the weight of my 184’s, which are 2020 models…2300g. They feel significantly more weighty and solid compared to the 110’s. I think it was ‘21 when they dropped a bit of weight.

[Bandit Man]

Shameless plug for the Jessie 102. They float well above their 102 waist and have really upped my daughter off-piste game.

[phatty]

Shameless plug for the Jessie 102. They float well above their 102 waist and have really upped my daughter off-piste game.

At least they got the female narrow waist ski down, right? You can see the stoke through the face mask!