Ukraine

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Yeah, never forget the midterms.

Lovely how Pelosi, who probably has a driver and hasn't pumped gas for, like, ever, and our TGR priveleged set calling for higher gas prices. Anything to fuck the working class.

Pootian skis in jeans

[Yukonrider]

Hopefully this is all over soon, before it escalates more.

[KQ]

2022 Doomsday Clock Statement
Science and Security Board
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Editor, John Mecklin

It is 100 seconds to midnight

[liv2ski]

No fly zone isn’t the silver bullet here anyway so why further escalate this war and potentially kill/displace hundreds of thousands more? This war isn’t even a week old and there are like 8,000 dead already.

Does a no fly zone mean NATO can shoot down missiles fired from the ground? Or just aircraft.


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The reason to further escalate is because Russian ground troops did not get the job done so Putin has called in the bombers. Those need to be shot down per Ukraine's request.

[highangle]

NATO can take one of two strategies:

1. Overt political/economic support and covert military support: sanctions, aid, intel and stuff we won't hear about. Best case, Putin backs down, but since that doesn't appear to be the case, next best case is Putin's own people take him out during the extended timeframe and devastating cost to subdue Ukraine. Failing that, this might turn into pyrrhic victory for Russia in conquering Ukraine while NATO supports an Ukrainian insurgency until a drained Russia withdraws, a less acceptable NATO victory. The risk is that Ukraine surrenders and the insurgency fails, emboldening Russia and China to more militaristic expansion.

2. Military interventionism, I outlined many pages ago that this requires both Russia and NATO to engage in highly provocative actions without retaliation or at least without escalation. The best case hope is that Putin blinks before NATO. Fighting Russia then starting to defeat them militarily is a given that is also not really an option: Putin will open up the canned sunshine once he starts losing to NATO, which is of course the risk of going toe to toe with the Ruskies on their border.

1. Putin's making Russia great again: He can only double down. If that means filling dump trucks with dead kindergartners, then so be it.
[These ppl's kids need to be taped to a light pole in Kyiv or Mariupol and their kleptodollars need to fund Ukraine]

2. If he's willing to fry millions of ppl to "save face" against NATO in Ukraine, then he's willing to do it right now for any number of tactical or strategic reasons that don't hinge on "NATO", and he needs to be eliminated a week ago. Very obviously Colonel Kurtz has gone insane.

[oldnew_guy]

Random Americans clamoring for “no fly”, “ban their oil!”, “seize everything” reminds me that the average American can’t think past the end of their nose and can’t apparently even begin to contemplate a comprehensive, escalating strategy that might take longer than a news cycle.

[liv2ski]

Then stop calling it a no fly zone. When both sides have fighter jets and surface to air missiles it’s just war.

The Ukrainians have a handful of planes left. Where are the replacement aircraft for them?

[fool]

"This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season"
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/sta...64245250002944

[Hood26]

2022 Doomsday Clock Statement
Science and Security Board
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
Editor, John Mecklin

It is 100 seconds to midnight

I am afraid it is more grave than that. They set it to 100 before Ukraine was invaded.

[Yukonrider]

The reason to further escalate is because Russian ground troops did not get the job done so Putin has called in the bombers. Those need to be shot down per Ukraine's request.

Shooting down a sovereign nations aircraft sounds a whole lot like an act of war to me.

[summit]

Call it whatever you want.

What do you think Russia will do if we shoot down their planes and bomb their radars and missile launchers including on their soil?

What will NATO do if Russia responds and bombs NATO airbases and missile sites, shoots down NATO planes, sinks NATO ships?

[liv2ski]

Shooting down a sovereign nations aircraft sounds a whole lot like an act of war to me.

O I am certain someone here with a better memory than me remembers what it is called when war atrocities are stopped. Think Bosnia, some African conflicts, etc.
As far as an act of war, Russia would be stopped from being able to commit an act of war in Ukraine. Your planes come over the border, they get shot down. Your columns are on the ground in Ukraine, they are destroyed. Message being, "keep your shit on your side of the border or the free world will destroy it".
We will see how this plays out in the next week. Countries are getting pretty pissed at that asshole Putin.

[4matic]

Nuclear plant under attack

[Cisco Kid]

Sinking NATO nations ships is ok.

https://gcaptain.com/russia-used-civ...-human-shield/

[Falcon3]

As much of a bad idea as a NATO no fly zone is, I think some US “aid” of a few F16s and F15s could be helpful. Of course Ukrainian pilots aren’t trained on those aircraft so maybe they’d put out a call for an RAF-style Eagle Squadron made up of volunteer pilots from the West that are trained to fly them. This would maintain national neutrality but go a long way.

You’ve got to think there’s some retired fighter jocks that spent a career of tens of thousands of hours training and barely got to pull the trigger.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Shocking that so many think a full on war between NATO/Russia (and possibly allies) would lead to less death and atrocities than we’re currently seeing and are likely to see if NATO stays out of direct war.

No imagination for how much more capacity there is for Russia to escalate.

[rideit]

So, my thought here, if Musk, Gates, Bezos, and a few others had any balls or love of fellow man in their hearts, they would pony up a 10 BILLION dollar bounty for Putin’s head.


That would probably do it.

No takers?

Raise it by a billion a week.

And hell, maybe start with 10 billion in humanitarian aid, why not. What is their money good for, if not for this? Going into space a few times, for a few minutes?

[JimmyCarter]

Nuclear plant under attack

Europes largest nuclear plant on fire. Probably no big deal

Dmytro Kuleba (@DmytroKuleba) Tweeted:
Russian army is firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Fire has already broke out. If it blows up, it will be 10 times larger than Chornobyl! Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone! https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/sta...IMwejsZwpxspEw

[Yukonrider]

Call it whatever you want.

What do you think Russia will do if we shoot down their planes and bomb their radars and missile launchers including on their soil?

What will NATO do if Russia responds and bombs NATO airbases and missile sites, shoots down NATO planes, sinks NATO ships?

So many people currently ADVOCATING for World War 3.

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[jono]

We should have listened to the Ukrainian MP: Putin is not waiting for reasons. There are no reasons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleJGlen...C9zeLUt88pAAAA

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[Cono Este]

Nuke plant now on fire.


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[TAFKALVS]

We establish a no fly zone. We shoot down some Russian jets and bomb some SAM launchers. Ukraine posts on Twitter how amazing the USA is. Russia responds by shelling Prudhoe Bay and Anchorage. They begin systematically taking islands in the Bering Strait. Russian subs are detected off the Strait of Jaun De Fuca and begin sinking cargo ships headed for Seattle and Vancouver.

We good with that?

[rideit]

We should have listened to the Ukrainian MP: Putin is not waiting for reasons. There are no reasons.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleJGlen...C9zeLUt88pAAAA

Besides his warped ego.

[abraham]

Random Americans clamoring for “no fly”, “ban their oil!”, “seize everything” reminds me that the average American can’t think past the end of their nose and can’t apparently even begin to contemplate a comprehensive, escalating strategy that might take longer than a news cycle.

Reminds me of this post that came up in a discussion with friends recently.

One of my formative childhood lessons came when I was playing in the garage one day. I went into my mom’s car and put the seatbelt on (probably to pretend I was flying a plane). I realized at one point that I could still lean pretty far forward. Far enough that my head could touch the dashboard. How ridiculous! What’s the point of the seatbelt if it doesn’t actually stop me from going too far? I reveled in my discovery that seatbelts were useless.

A while later, I pulled on the seatbelt quickly (a lot happens in imaginary aerial dogfights), and the seatbelt immediately stopped. An overwhelming feeling of stupidity hit me almost as fast. Nine-year-old me was not in fact smarter than Toyota engineers.

https://www.dannyguo.com/blog/my-sea...-for-judgment/

Europes largest nuclear plant on fire. Probably no big deal

Dmytro Kuleba (@DmytroKuleba) Tweeted:
Russian army is firing from all sides upon Zaporizhzhia NPP, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. Fire has already broke out. If it blows up, it will be 10 times larger than Chornobyl! Russians must IMMEDIATELY cease the fire, allow firefighters, establish a security zone! https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/sta...IMwejsZwpxspEw

Well fuck. I figured they might shut the plant down or cut Ukraine off but not that.