Ukraine

[Benny Profane]

Wow. Criticizing Ukraine while they are being shelled. Classy.

Is your pharmacy open tomorrow? You need a refill.

Well, it wasn't the whole country, jonghole, it was a tweet.

But, well stocked as always. Thanks for your concern!

[Eluder]

Georgian bulker refused to give fuel to a Russian ship, saying "Russian ship, go fuck yourself. You can row to shore.“

https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/co...tm_name=iossmf

[summit]

^That's awesome. Georgia hates Russia. But it is somewhat less ballys to refuse to refuel a civilian ship than to refuse to surrender to a cruiser with air support.

Yes, he hits Nato and we have to hit back. But I think how we hit back is still open to decision.

Nukes against NATO means you get nukes in your fucking face.

This has been the clear policy of the United States for many many decades. In order to prevent small NATO states from needing their own nuclear programs, the US extended its nuclear umbrella over all of NATO. We still have nuclear bombs deployed in Europe to be deployed by NATO squadrons that are properly equipped and trained (but we have the PAL codes, of course).

EU basically said they are sending Ukraine migs from member states that have them.
That’s probably the biggest news of the day.

That is fucking fantastic! Go EU! All of Eastern Europe has MiGs and Sukhois to donate and missiles to go with them. If the Russians can be denied air supremacy, or even air superiority, their invasion will falter.

[ex-powderbroker]

i didn’t think it was easy for ukraine to get planes in the sky. glad to see they’ll be able to with them donations. i think they started with 300 or so and a bunch were hit, they can’t have that many fighter pilots though either. good thing ghost of kyiv only needs one.

on the twitter front i see jill stein is still pushing kremlin talking points.

[dunfree]

Is china either? These countries are authoritarian, communism is just the means to that, and becoming just window dressing.

Yea, the current prc leadership is very very very much communist. They will tell you that and then they do what they say they’d do.

Ukraine needs done more bakrytar drones (interesting that they’ve been redirecting export product)

[Hood26]

^That's awesome. Georgia hates Russia. But it is somewhat less ballys to refuse to refuel a civilian ship than to refuse to surrender to a cruiser with air support.


Nukes against NATO means you get nukes in your fucking face.

This has been the clear policy of the United States for many many decades. In order to prevent small NATO states from needing their own nuclear programs, the US extended its nuclear umbrella over all of NATO. We still have nuclear bombs deployed in Europe to be deployed by NATO squadrons that are properly equipped and trained (but we have the PAL codes, of course).



That is fucking fantastic! Go EU! All of Eastern Europe has MiGs and Sukhois to donate and missiles to go with them. If the Russians can be denied air supremacy, or even air superiority, their invasion will falter.

Thank you Summit for your patience in explaining all
this to folks who just don’t know.

There is no ambiguity in a nuclear response on an attack on NATO.

15 minutes is all it takes to change everything.

[rideit]

I guess employing Ukrainians on your yacht comes with hazards when you try and eliminate them
https://www.ultimahora.es/sucesos/ul...-mallorca.html

Shoulda taken it out to open water

So, I was thinking a little bit more about the implications of this incident. Given who the owner of the yacht is, you can damn well bet that the Ukrainian crew was recruited from the Russian speaking, ‘pro-Russia’ part of the Ukraine. This guerrilla action is, most certainly, NOT what Putin expected from the areas that he claims are being ‘liberated’.
May or may not be so, but I am pretty sure it is the case.
I believe it is telling of the current global sentiment.

[Eluder]

^That's awesome. Georgia hates Russia. But it is somewhat less ballys to refuse to refuel a civilian ship than to refuse to surrender to a cruiser with air support.

Absolute Legends! Just good to see the spirit of it living on.

[The SnowShow]

Thank you Summit for your patience in explaining all
this to folks who just don’t know.

There is no ambiguity in a nuclear response on an attack on NATO.

15 minutes is all it takes to change everything.

Yes, agree, thank you for explaining this Summit.

[wolfelot]

The Moscow stock exchange (Moex) is delaying opening by at least 5 hours. Hahaha.

The Russian Ruble is down 41%. Hahaha.

[Hood26]

The Moscow stock exchange (Moex) is delaying opening by at least 5 hours. Hahaha.

The Russian Ruble is down 41%. Hahaha.

It will get even worse. Let’s hope Putin has millions of hungry (not starvation level) mothers storming the Kremlin.

[happytimefunbox]

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[Cono Este]

^That's awesome. Georgia hates Russia. But it is somewhat less ballys to refuse to refuel a civilian ship than to refuse to surrender to a cruiser with air support.


Nukes against NATO means you get nukes in your fucking face.

This has been the clear policy of the United States for many many decades. In order to prevent small NATO states from needing their own nuclear programs, the US extended its nuclear umbrella over all of NATO. We still have nuclear bombs deployed in Europe to be deployed by NATO squadrons that are properly equipped and trained (but we have the PAL codes, of course).



That is fucking fantastic! Go EU! All of Eastern Europe has MiGs and Sukhois to donate and missiles to go with them. If the Russians can be denied air supremacy, or even air superiority, their invasion will falter.

Not questioning you, but curious where it says that. Reading article 5, which was written when there was only one nuclear power, it does not address that. Article 5 also does give countries leeway in how they respond.

Is it part of the “shared agreement”, and if so, does that extend beyond the countries where we store them?

Wish I didn’t need clarification, but it’s worth reading. Thanks.


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[happytimefunbox]

Hoely shit Putler has quit fucking around

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[eleeskiing]

Well, it wasn't the whole country, jonghole, it was a tweet.

But, well stocked as always. Thanks for your concern!

Maybe you’re taking too much? Check with your doc.
Nice hair splitting btw. I will rephrase “Very classy move to criticize the Ukraine
Embassy as their countrymen are being shelled”. Is that better?

Jeez, it must suck to not get laid. Feel bad for you.

[rideit]

Hoely shit Putler has quit fucking around

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COYC Division!

[TBS]

Skied today with the child of Ukrainian immigrants.
He recommended the Netflix movie “Winter on Fire”. It’s a documentary on how Ukrainians dealt with the last Russian stooge of a President.

Pretty powerful - highly recommended
I would not bet against the Ukrainians this go ‘round either.

[eleeskiing]

Skied today with the child of Ukrainian immigrants.
He recommended the Netflix movie “Winter on Fire”. It’s a documentary on how Ukrainians dealt with the last Russian stooge of a President.

Pretty powerful - highly recommended
I would not bet against the Ukrainians this go ‘round either.

Going to have to check that out.
I definitely didn’t have “Ukrainians are badass and my new favorite people” on my 2022 bingo card.

[summit]

Not questioning you, but curious where it says that. Reading article 5, which was written when there was only one nuclear power, it does not address that. Article 5 also does give countries leeway in how they respond.

Is it part of the “shared agreement”, and if so, does that extend beyond the countries where we store them?

Wish I didn’t need clarification, but it’s worth reading. Thanks.


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There is more to NATO and US policy than the text of Article 5.

I suggest this as the relevant summary in USAF nuclear doctrine as the briefest you'll find on Extended Nuclear Deterrence, which is the policy and concept at hand.

This concept has been present and stabilizing for over 60 years. The relevant NATO policy discussion is here.

"The supreme guarantee of the security of the Allies is provided by the strategic nuclear forces of the Alliance, particularly those of the United States"

However, the source of truth is the US Nuclear Posture Review. 2018 is the latest, but there is currently one underway that was started late last year which will critically address the sudden and massive Chinese nuclear forces expansion.

"Assurance of Allies and Partners

The United States has formal extended deterrence commitments that assure European, Asian, and Pacific allies. Assurance is a common goal based on collaboration with allies and partners to deter or defeat the threats we face. No country should doubt the strength of our extended deterrence commitments or the strength of U.S. and allied capabilities to deter, and if necessary defeat, any potential adversary’s nuclear or nonnuclear aggression. In many cases, effectively assuring allies and partners depends on their confidence in the credibility of U.S. extended nuclear deterrence"

Attend pages 54-55 in that PDF for a discussion of Russia and deterring limited nuclear strikes by Russia in the "escalate to deescalate" role, but note that it is most specifically referring to use against US and protected allies subject to extended deterrence like NATO which is covered on pages 58-60. NPRs are public so that our clear stance is visible to friend and foe alike.

"Effective deterrence is the foundation for effective assurance. Allies under the U.S. nuclear umbrella, and potential adversaries, should not doubt our extended deterrence commitments or our ability and willingness to fulfill them."

Assurances cannot and do not waver here. This is nothing new. The certitude of our promises are the cornerstone of deterring aggression.

If you have two hours to kill, here is a 2019 discussion of extended nuclear deterrence.

[Benny Profane]

https://twitter.com/ItsDeanBlundell/...pLevHEn-jtxS3g

[schuss]

https://twitter.com/ItsDeanBlundell/...pLevHEn-jtxS3g

That's an airsoft and just a pose fest.

[Benny Profane]

I'll take it.

[Benny Profane]

Haha. Great twitter thread. How can this be happening here?

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/sta...iKvJmMgFP-cv8g

[glademaster]

They should seize all Russian assets, including real estate.


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You're tardy to the party with this suggestion.

Why it isn't already happening is beyond me. We legally sieze tens of millions of dollars a year from small time drug dealers and minorities who happen to get pulled over on their way home from the ATM. Seizing the ill-gotten gains of russian swine seems like a far more just use of that power.

[Benny Profane]

But then, who would buy the real estate and Mercedes?

Re: This last season of Ozark. The FBI wanted five more years of business.